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My Sample Hour

> That guitar must be a remix in your head. The listener
> doesn't give an ish if it's "guitar-based" or not. To the
> listener Papa Roach is ROCK and Kelly Clarkson is POP --
> PERIOD! You shouldn't be putting your own preferences to
> how you program. The fact that you are breaking this down
> and disqualifying Kelly Clarkson as a pop artist is freaking
> hysterical. You really don't know the music at all.

WRONG!!!!!!!!! The listener doesn't say "Oh...Two rock songs in a row or Kelly Clarkson is pop and Papa Roach is Alternative/Rock or Trick Daddy is Modern AC spiked Hip-Hop with an R&B Twist"...

Are you insane?? My own preferences???? Any CHR/Mainstream programmer will tell you that BALANCE IS THE KEY!! When you have two guitar based songs, non rythmic songs in a row (you don't know what a guitar sounds like??) with the option of separating them with a rhythmic track, you have an UNBALANCED set! Simple as that! I DON'T KNOW WHAT MUSIC IS?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You don't even realize that a guitar is the main instrument in "Breakaway"!

With so much rhythmic music out there, I feel it's better to break up the rhythmic tracks with non-rhythmic tracks. Dude...I GAURANTEE you most PD's would agree.

> It doesn't matter what YOU think!

Really?? Than why I am programming? I think with my brain! I get paid for thinking! I'm the "PD" (hypothetically speaking, of course)

> Maybe in your market. That's the great thing about market
> research and testing.

Yes...to let bad programmers like you sleepwalk through their job and justify their bad decisions.

> Umm...so was "Atomic Dog". And "It Takes Two". But some
> CHR's still spike those in. So, because B2K is so "2002",
> anything 2002 and earlier is "dated" and shouldn't be
> played. That logic is just outright ridiculous.

"Atomic Dog" and "It Takes Two" were CULTURALLY more significant than ANYTHING B2K put out (including "Bump Bump Bump"). Not to mention, 10x more familiar. You and your supposed "research"...show me research that "Uh-HUH" is relevant to the format!

> Again, MARKET RESEARCH AND TESTING! "Where's the Love" was
> only a couple of years old at the height of N'Sync mania.
> Last weekend, I heard WNCI, one of the most respected CHR's
> in the country, playing Pink's "Family Portrait". That song
> was a stiff, but it obviously tests well for their demo.
> You really, really need to know what you're talking about.

Many stations that pride themselves on 'RESEARCH' and 'HIGH TESTING SONGS' end up FAILING in the ratings...Why? Because they let the 'RESEARCH' *dictate* the way their stations SOUNDS.

Let's see your log...Better yet, let's see all this alledged "research" that proves everything I said unequivocally wrong.

> The song was perfect (no pun intended) for the time it was
> released -- prom and graduation season.

WHAT??? "Here's To The Night", "Graduation" etc...Songs of HOPE and looking ahead to the futre are perfect for prom and graduation season! Not songs about a guy that's lost all hope and feels like crap! "Untitled" is fine...but it wasnt the "perfect prom and graduation song!!" Are you insane?? Have you listened to the lyrics???

> > "Dreams" will be a stiff. Those deep, message type rap
> > records never do well.

> Umm...what's that about? What does working for Clear
> Channel have to do with any of this? The fact is, Clear
> Channel station do their OWN research and testing for their
> own markets. There is no corporate add/drop list or
> playlist. Unlike...oh, I dunno....CUMULUS!

I wasn't taking a dig at CC...I was remembering out loud that CC has this "Stripped" thing with all of their CHR's. You're an odd bird...

> Are you trying to get back stage passes or a Meet-N-Greet or
> something? You keep plugging this song. I've heard better.

Oh, but wait..."It shouldn't matter what YOU think!" (sound familiar?)

> And radio isn't supposed to be programmed to YOUR PERSONAL
> likes/dislikes -- which is exactly what you're doing.

WRONG!!! I'll be honest with ya...I DESPISE 95 percent of the stuff on my playlist! You have no idea what kind of music I like!

> > You have three
> > records with "rap" in them...in a row! Technically every
> > song on your station is "pop" (short for "popular"). You
> > should program based on sonics, not labels or category
> > semantics.
>
> Will Smith is NOT considered rap. This is not 1988.
> Period. Maybe to a 45 year old he is, but that's not your
> core.

Oh stop...You're embarassing yourself.

> You really just don't get
> it. At all!

Yes...you've made that abudantly clear. Still waiting for your playlist...

> Says who? Ok, I'll call it: bullsh*t! Why would you want
> to play an "A" out of a stopset when many people *might* not
> hear it. A valid argument can be made both ways (and save
> your keystrokes and don't try to argue with me as if your
> reasoning is better).

Z100 does it. They're doing pretty well. Yes...my reasoning IS better. I'm a smarter programmer than you. I think "musically", you think in terms of "categories" and "labels". C'mon, Cubby...let's see that sample hour.

> Nothing personal, but your clock would be cleaned in a
> TREND!

Okay...I'll be playing "This Love" and you'll be playing "Uh-Huh". Guess which station will have more listeners at that given moment?
And you'll be playing "Encore" while I'll be playing "Lose Yourself". Guess again...

Show me your log, big boy.
 
> > It's not 'sleepy' or 'soft' according to who? YOU? And
> Are you saying that Coldplay doesn't work out of or into
> "Sugar"? Does Coldplay work into or out of ANY rhythmic
> music? Does Coldplay NOT work on CHR/Mainstream...at all? If
> so, why is it #27 on the CHR/Mainstream chart?

Do you always go by what a chart says? That's about as exact as referring to 12-plus numbers. Since you obviously are not understanding this AT ALL, I am not going to waste my time explaining this to you. You have a hard-on for Coldplay, so play them to your hearts' content.

> "Speed Of Sound" is no more "sleepy" than "Beautiful Day" by
> U2 or "Crash Into Me" by Dave Matthews--two songs that
> worked (and researched/tested) VERY well alongside the
> "hip-hop" of the day 5-10 years ago.

Hip-hop wasn't as mainstream back in 1996 as much as it is today. I know that for a fact because I was doing CHR in 1996, and today. The fact that you're comparing these specific tracks by U2 and DMB further prove my point that you don't know the music or what you're talking about. "Beautiful Day" didn't get that much CHR play because hip-hop was considerably more mainstream in 1999 than it was in 1996 with DMB.

> Coldplay is no more "Hot AC" than Kelly Clarkson? Kelly
> Clarkson does better on the Hot AC chart than Coldplay. Why
> is Coldplay labeled as a "Hot AC" band? Just because the
> majority of CHR programmers don't feel Coldplay is a viable
> CHR add, they're labeled a "Hot AC" band, by default.
> C'mon...

Kelly Clarkson is full-fledged pop. Pop very much has a place on CHR AND HAC. Period! There are a lot of groups that are labeled HAC acts, but if they have a huge hit (i.e. Lifehouse), you'll have a lot of CHR's adding them eventually. Here in Cleveland, KISS added Lifehouse alot earlier than I anticipated (most likely because the HAC refused to play them...which is another story for another thread). When they add them depends on their individual markets. Lifehouse tune has huge appeal -- alot more than Coldplay. Plus the Lifehouse track is being used in alot of weddings.

> Wasn't giving you a history lesson. A Tyler said "Sugar" out
> of "Speed Of Sound" doesn't work. I say it does and I gave a
> reason (based on musicality and timbre) WHY it works...and
> you say I don't get it??

No, you don't get it. It might work in your market. Maybe not where ATyler is. It sure as hell wouldn't work here in Cleveland with the CHR here. Our CHR would rather let the HAC in town spin the hell out of it.

> Really? Of course, when asked, listeners don't know what
> "processing" is...but if it's so "irrelevant", why do some
> stations spend THOUSANDS of dollars to differentiate
> themselves from the competition through better/different
> audio processing?? A badly processed radio station with a
> better playlist will beat an aggressively processed radio
> station with a crappy playlist everytime, that's true. But,
> put two equally strong playlists back to back and guess
> which one will win? The better SOUNDING station. The way a
> station SOUNDS is what's most important. SMART programmers
> know this is true. You apparently dont. It's in the details,
> my friend.

Show me solid, consistent research from a core listener where they say "hey, ya know, their processing kicks ass. The processing just makes their imaging blow me through my windshield. Oh yeah, I like their music, too!" The listeners don't care about processing or imaging. To the listener, the "better sounding station" is the one playing the music THEY WANT TO HEAR!! You could be broadcasting in mono and they wouldn't care (for the most part). They just want to hear their music.

> Are YOU programming?? Are YOU willing to submit a sample
> hour or two?? If so, are YOU willing to accept critiques? Go
> 'head...let's see your work, Picasso.

It doesn't matter if I am or not. ATyler is programming and yet you feel you know it all to tear into his playlist based on what YOU think. What you or I think doesn't matter. We're not a CHR demo. Period.
 
> Do you always go by what a chart says? That's about as
> exact as referring to 12-plus numbers. Since you obviously
> are not understanding this AT ALL, I am not going to waste
> my time explaining this to you. You have a hard-on for
> Coldplay, so play them to your hearts' content.

No...You implied that Coldplay has no place on a CHR. If that were true, the song wouldnt even be in the Top 40. To base your playlist on charts alone is dumb.

> Hip-hop wasn't as mainstream back in 1996 as much as it is
> today. I know that for a fact because I was doing CHR in
> 1996, and today. The fact that you're comparing these
> specific tracks by U2 and DMB further prove my point that
> you don't know the music or what you're talking about.
> "Beautiful Day" didn't get that much CHR play because
> hip-hop was considerably more mainstream in 1999 than it was
> in 1996 with DMB.

"Hip-Hop" wasnt as mainstream back in 1996 as it is now? Okay...What does that have to do with going from Coldplay into Trick Daddy?? You're just being argumentative for the heck of it. You have no rhyme or reason to your programming philosophy.

> No, you don't get it. It might work in your market with
> your listeners. Maybe not where ATyler is. It sure as hell
> wouldn't work here in Cleveland with the CHR here. Our CHR
> would rather let the HAC in town spin the hell out of it.

Why do you keep bringing up Cleveland??? Who cares about Cleveland??
You're contradicting yourself...First you say it depends on the market, then you say "Well...it wouldnt work here in Cleveland!" Make up your mind. Still waiting for your sample hour, by the way.

> Show me solid, consistent research from a core listener
> where they say "hey, ya know, their processing kicks ass.
> The processing just makes their imaging blow me through my
> windshield. Oh yeah, I like their music, too!" The
> listeners don't care about processing or imaging. To the
> listener, the "better sounding station" is the one playing
> the music THEY WANT TO HEAR!! You could be broadcasting in
> mono and they wouldn't care (for the most part). They just
> want to hear their music.

Wow...Of course listeners can't verbalize what makes a station *sound better* than the other. But to say they "don't care"??? Wow, dude...You really are clueless, aren't ya? Again, I ask you...if imaging and processing is so unimportant, then why are literally THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS spent on imaging, audio chains etc...? Why? Answer the question!

> It doesn't matter if I am or not. ATyler is programming and
> yet you feel you know it all to tear into his playlist based
> on what YOU think. What you or I think doesn't matter.
> We're not a CHR demo. Period.

You are obviously A Tyler's buddy...That's fine. I wasn't tearing into his playlist anymore than he was tearing into mine! You (and him) call it "tearing into", I call it "critquing". Somebody's a lil' insecure. I would be, too if I was in Carbondale at a less than successful radio station that feels compelled to play stiffs.

One more time...Let's see that sample hour! I want to see your genius programming philosophy at work!

You're laughable, you really are...
 
> WRONG!!!!!!!!! The listener doesn't say "Oh...Two rock songs
> in a row or Kelly Clarkson is pop and Papa Roach is
> Alternative/Rock or Trick Daddy is Modern AC spiked Hip-Hop
> with an R&B Twist"...

You're clearly missing the point of what CHR is all about. This isn't new. ATyler gave the perfect "positioner", if you will, about how a CHR in your market should sound in a music sweep.

> Are you insane?? My own preferences???? Any CHR/Mainstream
> programmer will tell you that BALANCE IS THE KEY!! When you
> have two guitar based songs, non rythmic songs in a row (you
> don't know what a guitar sounds like??) with the option of
> separating them with a rhythmic track, you have an
> UNBALANCED set! Simple as that! I DON'T KNOW WHAT MUSIC IS??
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You don't even realize that a guitar is
> the main instrument in "Breakaway"!

Umm...I think you're talking about "Since You've Been Gone." The track you're thinking of is a up-tempo ballad. A good CHR PD can easily distinguish if two songs don't fit for their own audience or not. They sure as hell don't break the instruments down like that. "Oh crap, too much cowbell..." That is way too much work.

> With so much rhythmic music out there, I feel it's better to
> break up the rhythmic tracks with non-rhythmic tracks.
> Dude...I GAURANTEE you most PD's would agree.

Again, that's not the point here.

> > It doesn't matter what YOU think!
>
> Really?? Than why I am programming? I think with my brain! I
> get paid for thinking! I'm the "PD" (hypothetically
> speaking, of course)

Really? What station...I'd love to see your playlist and listen and check out your numbers (cume, TSL, etc). If you're thinking with your brain, you're doing it all wrong. That's a fact! You shouldn't have to put that much thought into a playlist.

> Yes...to let bad programmers like you sleepwalk through
> their job and justify their bad decisions.

Wow...you're getting desparate aren't you?

> "Atomic Dog" and "It Takes Two" were CULTURALLY more
> significant than ANYTHING B2K put out (including "Bump Bump
> Bump"). Not to mention, 10x more familiar. You and your
> supposed "research"...show me research that "Uh-HUH" is
> relevant to the format!

"relevant"? Oh God...you really don't get it. That response alone cements that. If you don't think a 20 year old woman won't recognize "Bump Bump Bump", you're more out-of-touch.

> Many stations that pride themselves on 'RESEARCH' and 'HIGH
> TESTING SONGS' end up FAILING in the ratings...Why? Because
> they let the 'RESEARCH' *dictate* the way their stations
> SOUNDS.

Show me stations where that happens, please. Yes, you're being called out. I never said anything about research "dictating" anything. YOU made the ASSumption. I am not even going to bother how research and testing is effectively used.

> Let's see your log...Better yet, let's see all this alledged
> "research" that proves everything I said unequivocally
> wrong.

I don't need to show you research. You should be doing your own.

> WHAT??? "Here's To The Night", "Graduation" etc...Songs of
> HOPE and looking ahead to the futre are perfect for prom and
> graduation season! Not songs about a guy that's lost all
> hope and feels like crap! "Untitled" is fine...but it wasnt
> the "perfect prom and graduation song!!" Are you insane??
> Have you listened to the lyrics???

Yes, I have heard the lyrics. What happens at prom and graduation season? Or are you that clueless that me or someone else needs to point this out? Here's a hint: refer to the video. Good Lord, man. Maybe the next time around, you'll get it.

> I wasn't taking a dig at CC...I was remembering out loud
> that CC has this "Stripped" thing with all of their CHR's.
> You're an odd bird...

Oh, you mean "unplugged". So, what's wrong with that?

> WRONG!!! I'll be honest with ya...I DESPISE 95 percent of
> the stuff on my playlist! You have no idea what kind of
> music I like!

Hey, we are in agreement there.

> Oh stop...You're embarassing yourself.

Show me listener testimonials from a core CHR listener (do you even know what that is??) that considers Will Smith 'rap' compared to other artists who are cores on CHRs? Puh-leeze.

> Yes...you've made that abudantly clear. Still waiting for
> your playlist...

I don't need to provide a playlist to prove ish.

> Z100 does it. They're doing pretty well. Yes...my reasoning
> IS better. I'm a smarter programmer than you. I think
> "musically", you think in terms of "categories" and
> "labels". C'mon, Cubby...let's see that sample hour.

You're using a station in New York-Freaking-City as your example? That's funny.

> Okay...I'll be playing "This Love" and you'll be playing
> "Uh-Huh". Guess which station will have more listeners at
> that given moment?

"This Love"? What market are you in? 120 and lower?

> And you'll be playing "Encore" while I'll be playing "Lose
> Yourself". Guess again...

If "Encore" tests well with your core, then play it.

> Show me your log, big boy.

If that's all you have is continuously asking for my log, you've got to do better. You've continued to TRY to explain your reasoning and you failed. Maybe what you do (or your 'philosophy') works in your market. But the fact that you dismiss doing local research and testing and would rather reference what a station in NYC or another market is doing, that most likely isn't even similar to you in demographics, says even more.

Give it up. Really.
 
Looks very solid Atyler :)
Definitely looks like a good Top 40 station that plays a nice mix of (mainly) current hits.

> 9AM Hour today for my KISS station:
>
> ID
> BEP- Don't Mess With My Heart (no choice on the Mess / Phunk
> question)
> Papa Roach- Scars
> Kelly Clarkson- Breakaway
>
> *STOPSET*
>
> Eminem- Encore
> Gwen Stefani- Holla Back Girl
> Howie Day- Collide
> Baby Bash / Akon- Baby I'm Back
>
> *STOPSET*
>
> Lil Jon / Usher / Ludacris- Lovers and Friends
> D.H.T.- Listen to Your Heart (Dance version)
> Game / 50 Cent- How We Do
> Outkast- Hey Ya
> Mariah Carey- We Belong Together
> 50 Cent- Disco Inferno (Next to impossible to separate 50,
> at the moment)
> Alicia Keys- Karma
> Rihanna- Pon De Replay
> Nelly- Country Grammar
> Pussycat Dolls / Busta Rhymes- Don't Cha (Remix)
> Beyonce / Lil Flip- Naughty Girl (Remix)
>
>
> 10AM Hour
>
> ID
> Kelly Clarkson- Behind These Hazel Eyes
> Game / 50 Cent- Hate It or Love It
> Ciara / Missy Elliott- 1, 2 Step
>
> *STOPSET*
>
> B2K- Uh Huh
> Frankie J- Obsession
> Missy Elliott / Ciara- Lose Control
> Will Smith- Switch
>
> *STOPSET*
>
> Usher- Yeah!
> Fat Joe / Nelly- Get It Poppin'
> Simple Plan- Untitled
> Nivea- Okay!
> Killers- Mr. Brightside
> 50 Cent- Just a Lil Bit
> Green Day- Boulevard of Broken Dreams
> Montell Jordan- This is How We Do It
> Usher / Alicia Keys- My Boo
>
>
>
> 4PM HOUR
>
> ID
> Gwen Stefani- Holla Back Girl
> Game / 50 Cent- Hate It or Love It
> Usher / Fabolous- Caught Up (Remix)
>
> *STOPSET*
>
> D.H.T.- Listen to Your Heart
> 50 Cent- Just a Lil Bit
> Brooke Valentine- Girlfight
> Mariah Carey- We Belong Together
>
> *STOPSET*
>
> Gavin DeGraw- Chariot
> ODB / Kelis- Got Your Money
> Kelly Clarkson- Behind These Hazel Eyes
>
> *STOPSET*
>
> J-Kwon- Tipsy
> 3 Doors Down- Let Me Go
> Nina Sky- Move Ya Body
> Crossfade- Cold (Acoustic mix)
>
>
> 5PM Hour
>
> ID
> Will Smith- Switch
> Trick Daddy / Ludacris- Sugar
> Baby Bash / Akon- Baby I'm Back
>
> *STOPSET*
>
> Mary J Blige- Family Affair
> Frankie J- How to Deal
> BEP- Don't Mess With My Heart
> Ciara / Ludacris- Oh!
>
> *STOPSET*
>
> Destiny's Child- Soldier
> Howie Day- Collide
> Rihanna- Pon De Replay
> Mario- Let Me Love You
> Fat Joe / Nelly- Get It Poppin'
> Gwen Stefani- Holla Back Girl
> Usher- Burn
> 50 Cent / Mobb Deep- Outta Control
> BEP- Hey Mama
>
 
> You're clearly missing the point of what CHR is all about.
> This isn't new. ATyler gave the perfect "positioner", if
> you will, about how a CHR in your market should sound in a
> music sweep.

I agree with that philosophy...However, I don't subscribe to the notion that a station should FORCE a pop title down someone's throat (or into a music flow set) JUST to balance out the sound of his/her station. The station that plays the most hits, wins! Ideally...you want a nice cross section. But I can think of worse sets of flow than 3 Doors Down into Pussycat Dolls into Green Day! I'd say Papa Roach into Kelly Clarkson into Black Eyed Peas is UNbalanced and would say most (smart) programmers would agree!

> Umm...I think you're talking about "Since You've Been Gone."
> The track you're thinking of is a up-tempo ballad. A good
> CHR PD can easily distinguish if two songs don't fit for
> their own audience or not. They sure as hell don't break
> the instruments down like that. "Oh crap, too much
> cowbell..." That is way too much work.

Too much work for lazy, sleepwalking programmers? Yes! Both "Breakaway" and "Since U Been Gone" are guitar based and non rhythmic. Therefore grouping either NEXT to Papa Roach as opposed to Black Eyed Peas is simply bad programming!

> Again, that's not the point here.

Well, what is your point??? And WHERE is that sample hour??

> Really? What station...I'd love to see your playlist and
> listen and check out your numbers (cume, TSL, etc). If
> you're thinking with your brain, you're doing it all wrong.
> That's a fact! You shouldn't have to put that much thought
> into a playlist.

Do you know what "hypothetically speaking" means? Again...I've posted a sample hour yet STILL have not seen yours? Where is it? Here's what you said: "You shouldn't have to put that much thought into a playlist". WHAT??? Do you hear yourself??? YOUR PLAYLIST IS EVERYTHING! YOU SAID IT YOURSELF!! IT'S THE MUSIC THAT MATTERS! And yet you REALLY don't think "much thought" should be put into a station's playlist?? Do you think that's the way Rick Sklar, John Rook, Scott Shannon or Tom Poleman feel/felt?

> > Yes...to let bad programmers like you sleepwalk through
> > their job and justify their bad decisions.
>
> Wow...you're getting desparate aren't you?

There are a LOT of programmers that don't even know how to USE the research tools given to them! Do you even know how many stations have FAILED and ended up flipping format even AFTER they (mis)used this precious "research" you speak of?? Yes...research is an important tool. But if the PD at the helm of the station is an idiot (and doesn't put much THOUGHT into his decisions), his/her station will FAIL REGARDLESS IF RESEARCH WAS USED IN THE PROCESS!

> "relevant"? Oh God...you really don't get it. That
> response alone cements that. If you don't think a 20 year
> old woman won't recognize "Bump Bump Bump", you're more
> out-of-touch.

Didn't say that...But, yes "RELEVANCE" is EVERYTHING to CHR/Mainstream. Pop stations should MIRROR what is (pop) culturally RELEVANT TO THE AUDIENCE! That's just common sense! You really have no idea how delusional and clueless you sound! If YOUR station is playing "Bump Bump Bump" and MY station is playing "In Da Club"...GUESS WHICH ONE WINS??

> Show me stations where that happens, please. Yes, you're
> being called out. I never said anything about research
> "dictating" anything. YOU made the ASSumption. I am not
> even going to bother how research and testing is effectively
> used.

Many stations (CHR and non-CHR) that use research have failed or are presently not living up to their true potential. That's a fact, not an opinion. You really need me to back that up with a LIST of stations that have failed REGARDLESS of whether or not they've been privvy to research tools?

Okay...Q102/Philly, KissFM/Chicago, Y100/Miami, WDRQ/Detroit, B94/Pittsburgh, KZHT/Salt Lake City, Q102/Cincy etc...

> Yes, I have heard the lyrics. What happens at prom and
> graduation season? Or are you that clueless that me or
> someone else needs to point this out? Here's a hint: refer
> to the video. Good Lord, man. Maybe the next time around,
> you'll get it.

Your radio station doesnt show the video portion, sir. Radio is a purely aural experience. If you're banking on the listener making a relationship between the song and the video, you're selling your station short.

> Oh, you mean "unplugged". So, what's wrong with that?

No...I mean "stripped". That's the name of the promotion, you silly boy.

> Show me listener testimonials from a core CHR listener (do
> you even know what that is??) that considers Will Smith
> 'rap' compared to other artists who are cores on CHRs?
> Puh-leeze.

Show me listener testimonials from a core CHR listener (18-34 year old females, thank you) that consider Will Smith to be non-rap!

> I don't need to provide a playlist to prove ish.

Then shut the hole from which you speaketh...You really are embarassing yourself! I still can't believe you actually said "you shouldnt give much thought into your playlist!" You lose all credibility with that statement.

> You're using a station in New York-Freaking-City as your
> example? That's funny.

And you keep using Cleveland as your example??

Z100=winning station

WAKS=getting their ass kicked by 107.9

> "This Love"? What market are you in? 120 and lower?

WHAT??? Z100, KIIS, and your beloved WAKS are all still spinning "This Love" as a recurrent! Are you insane?? "This Love" (along with "Yeah" & "Breakaway") is one of the BIGGEST CHR/Pop songs of the past 18 months! To not play it is just dumb!

> If that's all you have is continuously asking for my log,
> you've got to do better. You've continued to TRY to explain
> your reasoning and you failed. Maybe what you do (or your
> 'philosophy') works in your market. But the fact that you
> dismiss doing local research and testing and would rather
> reference what a station in NYC or another market is doing,
> that most likely isn't even similar to you in demographics,
> says even more.
>
> Give it up. Really.

Again...I don't dismiss using research! I dismiss the idiots that MISUSE IT AND LET IT RUN THEIR RADIO STATION! Research doesnt excuse you from having to THINK about what is right for your radio station!

Why are you so scared to post a sample hour?

I know why...
 
For the Love of..

Okay, gentlemen (and I use the term loosely), this pissing match has got to stop. Let me address just two things:

1) AbacoDream, I don't know who this richardhead fellow is. I only know that he posts on these boards every so often and seems to be capable of intelligent discussion, which is more than I can say about a fairly significant percentage of people that frequently post. If he agrees more with my reasoning than yours, then so be it.. In the end, different styles of programming is what makes stations unique. If you had ONE "correct" fashion of programming, CHR (and any format, for that matter) radio would all sound EXACTLY alike.. which would defeat the purpose of all these signals in all of these different markets.

2) In regard to your statement about my station here... You can make all the assumptions that you want about its success or lack of such based on 12+ ratings that you can find pretty much anywhere, and that's your right. HOWEVER, without seeing the breakdowns, do you really know who is winning? Would it surprise you to learn that my station has a higher cume than my competition? Would it surprise you to learn that the main things keeping my competition ahead of my station are mornings (Steve and DC vs. Valentine on my station) and their upper end? Would it also surprise you to know that the book that just wrapped up is the first book that I've had control of the music and the first book that I have even been a part of the radio station? Before you go throwing what certainly are coming across as insults out there, stop and consider that you might not know the entire situation, as I have previously said to you in regard to the Kasper / WIOQ situation.

That's all I've got to say, you gentlemen continue to insult each other, if you want to.. I offered a simple opinion of your log, in regard to things that I personally would not do. I didn't insult you, I merely suggested that Speed of Sound being played next to Sugar didn't sound right.

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Afternoons / MD
WVZA / Marion - Carbondale, IL
www.kissfm927.com

Weekends / Swing
KSLZ / St. Louis
WAKZ / Youngstown, OH
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Two more things:

1) I'm still waiting for dude's sample hour and an answer to my questions about
processing, imaging and Will Smith.

2) As long as you're still challenging me...feel free to post a sample hour of CIL's programming alongside a sample hour of Kiss programming, and I'll gladly tell you why you're losing 12+ and 18-34F even with a better signal than theirs.
 
> Show me listener testimonials from a core CHR listener
> (18-34 year old females, thank you) that consider Will Smith
> to be non-rap!

This pissing match is honestly more fun to watch than participate in, I imagine, but I just have to say... dude, Will Smith is NOT rap. Sorry.

:)
 
Will Smith Is Rap

>
> This pissing match is honestly more fun to watch than
> participate in, I imagine, but I just have to say... dude,
> Will Smith is NOT rap. Sorry.
>
Will Smith is DEFINITELY Rap. Just b/c it's not hardcore Urban Rap doesn't mean that it's not Rap.
Remember, Will Smith started out by breaking out of URBAN stations before Top 40 radio picked up on "Parents Just Don't Understand". Back then he was using the name The Fresh Prince, and the song was DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince "Parents Just Dont Understand". The4 song was considered Rap, and "Switch" isn't all that different. It's just a bit more Dancy, but not quiet as Dancy as his hit "Boom shake The Room" from 1993.

Will Smith (and The Black Eyed Peas) oftentimes don't get airplay on Urban radio these days b/c their songs aren't considered "ghetto" enough, which to be honest is kind of sad.
 
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I agree that Will Smith started out as rap, but IMHO he has since shifted out of the genre.

We'll just have to agree to disagree, I suppose.
 
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> I agree that Will Smith started out as rap, but IMHO he has
> since shifted out of the genre.
>
> We'll just have to agree to disagree, I suppose.

Fact is..."Switch" is 85 percent "rap" (the only non-rap portion of the song is the call and response chorus). Therefore...if you're programming a CHR station and in your flow you have a rock song and two songs with "rap" (ie: non-melodic elements in them), you break up the songs with rap in them by putting the non-rap title in the middle. Will Smith's history or street cred has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. Why doesnt this make sense to you??

It's a matter of balance. As a CHR programmer it's smarter to break up rap heavy titles (whether it's 50, Will Smith, Kriss Kross or Kid N' Play) with non-rap titles!

It's just smarter programming sense.
 
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> rap in them by putting the non-rap title in the middle. Will
> Smith's history or street cred has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
> Why doesnt this make sense to you??

Christ on a cracker, dude. I was going to leave out the fact that your hostility and implied offensive tone made you out to be a jerk in your other posts, but what part of "agree to disagree" don't you get?
 
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> Christ on a cracker, dude. I was going to leave out the fact
> that your hostility and implied offensive tone made you out
> to be a jerk in your other posts, but what part of "agree to
> disagree" don't you get?

"Christ on a cracker"?? Okay dweeb...

Thing is, you're one of those passive/aggressive "agree to disagree" types that are incapable of admitting when you're incorrect.

Will Smith is rap. Pop-Rap, yes...but it's still rap. End of discussion.
 
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> "Christ on a cracker"?? Okay dweeb...
>
> Thing is, you're one of those passive/aggressive "agree to
> disagree" types that are incapable of admitting when you're
> incorrect.

And you're one of those silly self-righteous jerks who can't tolerate anything outside your own fragile bubble. This is probably a huge part of the reason why you wouldn't work out as a PD or an MD. As if your own sample hours and defenses thereof weren't enough evidence, this post just shows that you are only capable of thinking of yourself, and that what you want goes.

> Will Smith is rap. Pop-Rap, yes...but it's still rap. End of
> discussion.

Case in point.
 
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Do you disagree that Will Smith is rapping in his pop song "Switch"?

That's not rapping?

Let's see a few sample hours...You're a CHR/Mainstream targeting an 18-34 female.
Let's see what you got...

(Post it up top so everybody can see how brilliant you are)
 
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> Do you disagree that Will Smith is rapping in his pop song
> "Switch"?
>
> That's not rapping?

Will Smith may rap for portions of the song, but it's not a rap song. :) Rather than continue this petty bantering back and forth, and since you can't agree to disagree because it's such an absurd idea, I may just have to begin ignoring your future attacks, for the sake of the length of this thread.

> Let's see a few sample hours...You're a CHR/Mainstream
> targeting an 18-34 female.
> Let's see what you got...
>
> (Post it up top so everybody can see how brilliant you are)

What is your major malfunction? I never claimed to be brilliant and why do you insist on demanding that everyone you start a fight with post sample hours? You do realize that you're making yourself look like a foolish jackass, right?
 
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> Will Smith may rap for portions of the song, but it's not a
> rap song. :)

Okay, then...Is there any rapping in Papa Roach or Kelly Clarkson?

> What is your major malfunction? I never claimed to be
> brilliant and why do you insist on demanding that everyone
> you start a fight with post sample hours? You do realize
> that you're making yourself look like a foolish jackass,
> right?

You're the smug prick that typed in "dude, Will Smith is not rap".
That shows me you're a know it all prick that cant put his money where his mouth is.

Let's see that sample hour...If you don't have one, zip it.

And who gives a flying $hit if people think I'm a "foolish jackass". I'm not that insecure, friend...

Don't care.
 
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> Okay, then...Is there any rapping in Papa Roach or Kelly
> Clarkson?

Do you even HAVE a point anymore?

> That shows me you're a know it all prick that cant put his
> money where his mouth is.
>
> Let's see that sample hour...If you don't have one, zip it.

I never made any suggestion that I HAD a sample hour, and last time I checked, you don't need one on to post here.

I've better things to do than post a list of my favorite songs and call it a "sample hour." Though if having a hard-on for Coldplay was a requirement to post here, hell, you'd be a moderator.

> And who gives a flying $hit if people think I'm a "foolish
> jackass". I'm not that insecure, friend...

Obviously you are. You keep begging people to post sample hours because YOURS got ripped by people who are good at what they do, and you need to justify your smug attitude somehow. Insecurity is your middle name, friend.

> Don't care.

But you do, and that's why this is so amusing. :)
 
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> Do you even HAVE a point anymore?

Yes...My original point was it's not good programming sense to program two songs with rap in them back to back when you have the option of breaking them up with a non-rap title. Your retort was "well...Will Smith is pop".

> I never made any suggestion that I HAD a sample hour, and
> last time I checked, you don't need one on to post here.

But when you challenge somebody else regarding his/her sample hour, it's only fair you post one, no? If you can't, your opinion is worthless. This is a CHR/Pop board. The post was regarding programming philosophy. If you can't show us what yours is...zip it.

> Obviously you are. You keep begging people to post sample
> hours because YOURS got ripped by people who are good at
> what they do, and you need to justify your smug attitude
> somehow. Insecurity is your middle name, friend.

Ooohh..."Insecurity is your middle name, friend". Where did you learn such cutting dialogue?? "Law & Order"?? How biting! "Insecurity is your middle name, friend!!!" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You should lose your tongue in a boating accident for spewing such melodramatic slush.

> But you do, and that's why this is so amusing. :)

Not nearly as much as you do, "friend"...HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

PS: Will Smith IS rap! :)
 
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