MyNetworkTV 2013-14 Lineup Revealed

[Iowan]

Personally, I'd settle for game shows on My Network TV 'til they get 'Smackdown' back...

 

[mnradiofan]

We have an independent channel here in Minneapolis, and when they first launched they honestly did try the original and local programming route, even carrying movies that were hosted by local people. And, it flopped. They lost tons of money on it, and eventually shifted away from local programming to what it is today.

For those who are curious:

http://www.kstc45.com/index.shtml

The local news that is left on the station is just an extension of Channel 5 (the parent owner of 45).

 

[dhett]

Except in several markets like Los Angeles, the MyNET TV is part of a duopoly, so the stations would not truly be "independent"

??? KCOP is part of a duopoly in Los Angeles.

That's what is being said. Since KCOP is part of a duopoly, it wouldn't be independent anyway.

- Trip

"Except in several markets like Los Angeles, the MyNet is part of a duopoly..." says to me that LA is an exception to the general rule of MyNet being part of a duopoly. If the exception was that MyNet was part of a duopoly (which happens to include every last O&O of the network), I would expect it to read "where the MyNet is part of a duopoly", or a period at the end of the first clause, thus making clear that it was trying to continue my statement instead of standing alone as a counterargument.

Classic case of why the meaning of words on a page can be difficult to discern when the author is writing colloquially.

Morgan Wick read the comment as: "Except [for] in several markets like Los Angeles..." (addition mine), meaning LA is an exception to markets where the MyNetwork station is a duopoly.

ercjncpr meant the comment to say: "Except [that] in several markets like Los Angeles...", meaning that the entire statement is a rebuttal to the previous statement and that LA is an example of a market where the MyNetwork station is a duopoly.

Nothing to see here.

 

[Morgan Wick]

Actually, you don't know which one erc meant. You're assuming familiarity and consistency with the facts.

 

[nomadcowatbk]

The weekly first run syndicated drama and sitcom market died years ago. Chopped up movies that aired in primetime on the indies wouldn't get the same ratings as They did in the 70s or 80s when today there are other channels running the same thing and people have access to uncut versions of those movies? Why do you care so much about branding if there's nothing important on these stations? Even higher budget network affiliates have gotten lazy when branding but people don't watch brands

 

[Nate Wesley]

People miss the indie stations of their childhood

Nobody misses the indie stations of their childhood.

 

[Brother]

Actually, you don't know which one erc meant. You're assuming familiarity and consistency with the facts.

Except for you, Morgan, everyone got what ercjncpr was getting at. Accept that you're taking things way too literally and rigidly here.

This in-fighting is bogging us down, I say! We need to get back to formulating our demands that TV stations revert to how they presented themselves 30 and 40 years ago! It's the only way to financial solvency or whatever!

People miss the indie stations of their childhood

Nobody misses the indie stations of their childhood.

But seriously, I agree with this. The memories are great, but if I want to watch the shows that aired on my local indies, I can see them on the multitude of classic TV networks or find them on Hulu. If I want to experience that "indie station vibe" of days gone by, I can watch all sorts of old recordings that have posted on YouTube.

 

[nomadcowatbk]

Actually, you don't know which one erc meant. You're assuming familiarity and consistency with the facts.

Except for you, Morgan, everyone got what ercjncpr was getting at. Accept that you're taking things way too literally and rigidly here.

This in-fighting is bogging us down, I say! We need to get back to formulating our demands that TV stations revert to how they presented themselves 30 and 40 years ago! It's the only way to financial solvency or whatever!

People miss the indie stations of their childhood

Nobody misses the indie stations of their childhood.

But seriously, I agree with this. The memories are great, but if I want to watch the shows that aired on my local indies, I can see them on the multitude of classic TV networks or find them on Hulu. If I want to experience that "indie station vibe" of days gone by, I can watch all sorts of old recordings that have posted on YouTube.

people may be nostalgic for the pre-netlet indie station vibe, no matter how low budget it was, do they miss assuming the Fox viewing position? How many true indie stations exist that don't use CW or Mynet branding and aren't sister stations of a network affiliate?

 

[nomadcowatbk]

consolidation has killed localism outside of news or sports

 

[Brother]

people may be nostalgic for the pre-netlet indie station vibe, no matter how low budget it was, do they miss assuming the Fox viewing position? How many true indie stations exist that don't use CW or Mynet branding and aren't sister stations of a network affiliate?

Fortunately, we never really needed to assume the classic "Fox viewing position" in St. Louis. KDNL-30 always seemed to put out a quality signal. Mind you, my experience on that was limited to St. Louis and Southern Illinois.

What really gave us fits was if we tried to receive either KNLC-24 or WHSL-46, but since those two were our low-budget religious station and HSN outlet, respectively, they just weren't watched much at all. St. Louis lucked out that our two major indies were a VHF in KPLR and a well-maintained UHF in KDNL.

Speaking of KNLC in St. Louis, that's as much of an indie as we have now. A very low-budget religious station with some general-entertainment reruns dating back to 1949 (The Lone Ranger continues to ride again on Channel 24) and a healthy dose of local programming, almost all of which is hosted by station owner Rev. Larry Rice (not just his sermons, but topics regarding health and sustainable energy). Also, I'm pretty sure the station logo hasn't changed at all since they signed on in 1982.

 

[nomadcowatbk]

Here's the Fox (and probably indie station) viewing position?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93szqRrlhO0

 

[nomadcowatbk]

people may be nostalgic for the pre-netlet indie station vibe, no matter how low budget it was, do they miss assuming the Fox viewing position? How many true indie stations exist that don't use CW or Mynet branding and aren't sister stations of a network affiliate?

What really gave us fits was if we tried to receive either KNLC-24 or WHSL-46, but since those two were our low-budget religious station and HSN outlet, respectively, they just weren't watched much at all. St. Louis lucked out that our two major indies were a VHF in KPLR and a well-maintained UHF in KDNL.

well maintained until $inclair got and let its transmitter die, and then eliminate its news department

 

[Morgan Wick]

Actually, you don't know which one erc meant. You're assuming familiarity and consistency with the facts.

Except for you, Morgan, everyone got what ercjncpr was getting at. Accept that you're taking things way too literally and rigidly here.

I don't think my interpretation was so unreasonable, especially considering the alternative was questionable grammar for the sentence (admittedly probably the more common problem, but, I suspect, one that comes from a place that makes my interpretation more plausible as well), and especially considering it was phrased as an "exception" in "several" markets, an "exception" that includes the network's O&Os and is probably more the rule than the "exception".

consolidation has killed localism outside of news

FTFY. Local sports is almost completely dead on broadcast, and most teams are happily shacked up on RSN "networks" that slap the same template on every broadcast and give the teams zero local personality. At this point, that's what I would want to have on the nation's "independent" stations, if only because I think live events are the only hope of salvation for linear television channels, network affiliate or no, or even broadcast or cable.

I'm fine with the remaining "independent" stations being part of a duopoly, because at least they actually have to put up an effort to program primetime and come up with some sort of original branding, even if it begins and ends with the call letters and/or channel position (you know, the way the independents and even network affiliates of the past did).

Incidentally, has anyone except me and nomad actually tried to answer Brother's question about why we get so worked up about MyNet? Especially since a lot of people in this thread seem to be ambivalent at best about old-style independents?

 

[nomadcowatbk]

Actually, you don't know which one erc meant. You're assuming familiarity and consistency with the facts.

Except for you, Morgan, everyone got what ercjncpr was getting at. Accept that you're taking things way too literally and rigidly here.

I don't think my interpretation was so unreasonable, especially considering the alternative was questionable grammar for the sentence (admittedly probably the more common problem, but, I suspect, one that comes from a place that makes my interpretation more plausible as well), and especially considering it was phrased as an "exception" in "several" markets, an "exception" that includes the network's O&Os and is probably more the rule than the "exception".

consolidation has killed localism outside of news

FTFY. Local sports is almost completely dead on broadcast, and most teams are happily shacked up on RSN "networks" that slap the same template on every broadcast and give the teams zero local personality. At this point, that's what I would want to have on the nation's "independent" stations, if only because I think live events are the only hope of salvation for linear television channels, network affiliate or no, or even broadcast or cable.

broadcast doesn't have the dual-stream revenue model that cable has, the KSMO in Kansas City broadcast some high school sports but that can't be too much $

 

[Morgan Wick]

Actually, you don't know which one erc meant. You're assuming familiarity and consistency with the facts.

Except for you, Morgan, everyone got what ercjncpr was getting at. Accept that you're taking things way too literally and rigidly here.

I don't think my interpretation was so unreasonable, especially considering the alternative was questionable grammar for the sentence (admittedly probably the more common problem, but, I suspect, one that comes from a place that makes my interpretation more plausible as well), and especially considering it was phrased as an "exception" in "several" markets, an "exception" that includes the network's O&Os and is probably more the rule than the "exception".

consolidation has killed localism outside of news

FTFY. Local sports is almost completely dead on broadcast, and most teams are happily shacked up on RSN "networks" that slap the same template on every broadcast and give the teams zero local personality. At this point, that's what I would want to have on the nation's "independent" stations, if only because I think live events are the only hope of salvation for linear television channels, network affiliate or no, or even broadcast or cable.

broadcast doesn't have the dual-stream revenue model that cable has, the KSMO in Kansas City broadcast some high school sports but that can't be too much $

It does, however, have the guarantee that it won't price the casual fan out of the market.

 

[nomadcowatbk]

Actually, you don't know which one erc meant. You're assuming familiarity and consistency with the facts.

Except for you, Morgan, everyone got what ercjncpr was getting at. Accept that you're taking things way too literally and rigidly here.

I don't think my interpretation was so unreasonable, especially considering the alternative was questionable grammar for the sentence (admittedly probably the more common problem, but, I suspect, one that comes from a place that makes my interpretation more plausible as well), and especially considering it was phrased as an "exception" in "several" markets, an "exception" that includes the network's O&Os and is probably more the rule than the "exception".

consolidation has killed localism outside of news

FTFY. Local sports is almost completely dead on broadcast, and most teams are happily shacked up on RSN "networks" that slap the same template on every broadcast and give the teams zero local personality. At this point, that's what I would want to have on the nation's "independent" stations, if only because I think live events are the only hope of salvation for linear television channels, network affiliate or no, or even broadcast or cable.

broadcast doesn't have the dual-stream revenue model that cable has, the KSMO in Kansas City broadcast some high school sports but that can't be too much $

It does, however, have the guarantee that it won't price the casual fan out of the market.

casual fans are already priced out with ticket, concession, and parking prices