Hmmmm, beyond being "Processor-Fest", it also looks like you held a test equipment festival.
Can you list out the various analyzers used? Thanks.
Can you list out the various analyzers used? Thanks.
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dutch pirate radio
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We used a Microgen T9050 broadcast analyser, a HP spectrum analyser with the european "stokkemask protocol" , a RTW 1019GL with loudness monitor, a dorrough 40-a2 loudness monitor,
a RVR PTX100 LCD reference FM broadcast transmitter for a linear frequency respons on FM, tranmitting @ FM 90.10MHz @ 1 Watt, and a Digital Belar.
for monitoring the sound we had two passive KRK studio monitors type ST8 with a Denon pro amp. for the "audiënce" there where two KRK rp8's (active monitors).
The mixer was a Soundcraft spirit and a D&R airmate. all with balanced neutrik cable's with neutrik XLR connectors. 8)
a RVR PTX100 LCD reference FM broadcast transmitter for a linear frequency respons on FM, tranmitting @ FM 90.10MHz @ 1 Watt, and a Digital Belar.
for monitoring the sound we had two passive KRK studio monitors type ST8 with a Denon pro amp. for the "audiënce" there where two KRK rp8's (active monitors).
The mixer was a Soundcraft spirit and a D&R airmate. all with balanced neutrik cable's with neutrik XLR connectors. 8)
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dutch pirate radio
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i must say:
Orban/CRL (2200,2300,5300,8300,8500 and 8100A+XT2) and Broadcastwarehouse (dsp-mini, dspx, dspxtra) were represented by resp. Peter van Beusekom from Orban Netherlands and Gert Voogd (profmsolutions.nl) and they gave a fantastic "show" and very good advise to everyone who asked for it.
To bad Omnia was'nt represented by a factory engineer...
Orban/CRL (2200,2300,5300,8300,8500 and 8100A+XT2) and Broadcastwarehouse (dsp-mini, dspx, dspxtra) were represented by resp. Peter van Beusekom from Orban Netherlands and Gert Voogd (profmsolutions.nl) and they gave a fantastic "show" and very good advise to everyone who asked for it.
To bad Omnia was'nt represented by a factory engineer...
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menotti1
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those KRK ST8's are ok, but they are not the last word in transparency and imaging.in the studio you usually have to add a little top end sparkle to the mix to overcome the shallow soundstage.the monitor tends to roll off high freq response.i like the Yamaha NS-10, but to each his own.but for your purpose they should be ok and probably better than what most people listen to FM on.IMHO
The Yamaha NS-10 is nothing more than a beefed-up boombox speaker. They are not intended as a stand-alone reference, but more a mirror to the average listener's system. You should always have a pair of JBL 4343 or equivalent, as well as a pair of Mackie HR824's to compare with.
If you like the sound of an NS-10, with all due respect, you are tone deaf...
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If you like the sound of an NS-10, with all due respect, you are tone deaf...
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menotti1
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not tone deaf at all.your speaker choices are excellent.but more of the ORIGINAL ns10 nearfield monitors were pearched on consoles in recording studios than anyother brand, period.the reason they quit making them was the wood pulp used in the woofer cone was no longer available.Yamah tried other materials,but could not duplicate the original.there was also a mod to remove the 1500hz peak in the woofer or to modify it with a 12 ohm resistor.
They are a nice monitor for reference/comparison but I I would NOT mix on them. Ever. Nor would I pay a grand for a pair. Ever.
I could modify a crappy Sony boombox with a soldering pencil and parts from my diddle box and have the same result. NS-10's are junk. Intentional junk, Where the NS-10's shine is their ability to mimic the acoustics of the end-user's equipment (i.e) a standard factory car stereo circa `94..
The reason they were discontinued is because monitors made by Mackie, Genelec, JBL, etc... have by far outdated their usefulness. It has nothing to do with wood pulp or cone maufacturing materials. It was and is a [EDIT] speaker, and it will remain in history as such-- an intentionally crappy speaker that has served its purpose.
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I could modify a crappy Sony boombox with a soldering pencil and parts from my diddle box and have the same result. NS-10's are junk. Intentional junk, Where the NS-10's shine is their ability to mimic the acoustics of the end-user's equipment (i.e) a standard factory car stereo circa `94..
The reason they were discontinued is because monitors made by Mackie, Genelec, JBL, etc... have by far outdated their usefulness. It has nothing to do with wood pulp or cone maufacturing materials. It was and is a [EDIT] speaker, and it will remain in history as such-- an intentionally crappy speaker that has served its purpose.
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GEE ALAN, lighten up.sounds like you need to put your tweeter in a woofer.alot of the Menotti1 post is true.ask Yamaha..but that's another thread.just waiting for those processing results, but i have predictions.ORBAN 1st, (imagine that ),followed by Omnia and the DSP_extra.AND THE WINNERS ARE??????
To me, if you want to keep it as an apples to oranges comparison, my opinion for radio processing is...
Orban for pop, Omnia for classical. But then I have heard the Aphex 2020 mkIII sound VERY nice and also VERY bad, depending on who is setting them up (happen to be listening to one right now). I've heard very good things about the BW DSPx boxes but have no experience with them...
My apologies to the Managing Board Editor, I did not mean to be profane-- There were more but I went back and replaced them with more 'apropriate' words-- but it seems I missed one. Sometimes emotions rise to a high level when talking about these passionate subjects...
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Orban for pop, Omnia for classical. But then I have heard the Aphex 2020 mkIII sound VERY nice and also VERY bad, depending on who is setting them up (happen to be listening to one right now). I've heard very good things about the BW DSPx boxes but have no experience with them...
My apologies to the Managing Board Editor, I did not mean to be profane-- There were more but I went back and replaced them with more 'apropriate' words-- but it seems I missed one. Sometimes emotions rise to a high level when talking about these passionate subjects...
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dutch pirate radio
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The results will be placed on the internet this week.
For a short conclusion you might say that the Orban 8500 really came close to the heaviëst eathquake ever here in the netherlands, the loudness meter nearly blew up!
The 8100 with XT2 became a real "public favourite" with it's warm, loud and analog sound. It made a perfect match with the warm analog vinyl sound most "pirates" prefere.
de dspxtra and the Orban 8300 went side by side on loudness, the 8300 sounded more "processed" the dspxtra sounded more "open".
The Omnia FM veris went just beside the Orban 5300 on loudness, but omnia's open highs sounded really superb above the dsp's and orbans, however the lows on the Orbans really smashed the dsp's and the omnia's.
for a little impression, click on the link below to download a short movie.
http://www.mytempdir.com/1110911
For a short conclusion you might say that the Orban 8500 really came close to the heaviëst eathquake ever here in the netherlands, the loudness meter nearly blew up!
The 8100 with XT2 became a real "public favourite" with it's warm, loud and analog sound. It made a perfect match with the warm analog vinyl sound most "pirates" prefere.
de dspxtra and the Orban 8300 went side by side on loudness, the 8300 sounded more "processed" the dspxtra sounded more "open".
The Omnia FM veris went just beside the Orban 5300 on loudness, but omnia's open highs sounded really superb above the dsp's and orbans, however the lows on the Orbans really smashed the dsp's and the omnia's.
for a little impression, click on the link below to download a short movie.
http://www.mytempdir.com/1110911
dutch pirate, it really is sad because no one from Omnia was there to set up their product.did you do a omnia 6 ex fm+hd or the 6exI???my impression is more urbans and hip hops use the omnia 6 because of the thunder bass it can exhiibit if set up right.a fm here uses the famous 8100 with xt, and my 06 or the dsp-extra makes toast of that warm analog sound as you call it.i would like to see the 8500 next to the o6 exi.in a real shoot out .the most over looked box for the money is the extra with the latest software.it's a steal...
A local hiphop station here in Connecticut sounds absolutely phenomenal. It sounds Orban to me but it's hard to tell. It's a Cheap Channel station and I know they generally run Omnia, but anything is possible. Maybe they are running an Arianne or something ahead of the main box (I dunno). The station is WZMX in Hartford (Hot 93.7). If more stations processed their audio this well it would be a huge boost to Terrestrial Radio's acceptance. Of course, on any station in the world you will hear inconsistencies in the audio due to encoding issues, etc...
I listen on vintage JBL's powered by a QSC PLX-3402 and eq'd for room acoustics using an Ashly GQX-3102. Tight, punchy with a clean top-end and deep, expansive bass that is not overdone. Annc sounds clean too. Sweet!
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I listen on vintage JBL's powered by a QSC PLX-3402 and eq'd for room acoustics using an Ashly GQX-3102. Tight, punchy with a clean top-end and deep, expansive bass that is not overdone. Annc sounds clean too. Sweet!
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but there's no reason not to tell you which processor(s) they use. Especially if you complement them on such good sound
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menotti1
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talked to a very nice CE there..using 8500 analog but converting to AES with Harris Intraplex stl.light urban preset with some tweaking.Compellor in front of STL as most stations do.Now i'd really like to see that shoot out between the Omnia 6EX or the EXI and the 8500.
Ah, i had a feeling it was Orban. Just sounds it. I wouldn't run the compellor upfront, but hey, I can't really complain, except at times it digs in a little deep for my taste. But it will definitely keep the AGC from getting stupid and from the sound of it, it is. ANNC is clean and that's gotta be the compellor. I'd stick an Arianne in front of the thing instead... And sometimes teaching your airstaff how to run proper levels is the best form of processing. Slamming the needles isn't going to make it any louder!
Goran, good idea, as far as contacting them, but most of these sites don't have an 'engineering questions' page anymore. WEBE in Westport, CT used to have an engineering page, but now it is gone, as are most 'real' engineers.
Radio has pretty much gone to hell, sometimes I wonder why I hold on....
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Goran, good idea, as far as contacting them, but most of these sites don't have an 'engineering questions' page anymore. WEBE in Westport, CT used to have an engineering page, but now it is gone, as are most 'real' engineers.
Radio has pretty much gone to hell, sometimes I wonder why I hold on....
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Nice to see the 8100 - XT2 holding it's own.
As it's getting rather old now I'd be interested to know if the above processor had been freshened up in recent years with both new cap's and any mod's which had been introduced since it's production.
I do feel that there's a bias against just how good these are by some engineers who either have limited analogue processor experience or by the manufacturers who of course are pushing their 'must be digital' agenda.
You did state that the 8100 was a favourite with the public and that must tell you something.
If all you want to do is play the loudness war then fine, if you want a more natural, warm sound then sorry, I'll stick with my 8100 - XT2.
Phil
Transmitters 'R' Us
http://www.transmittersrus.com
As it's getting rather old now I'd be interested to know if the above processor had been freshened up in recent years with both new cap's and any mod's which had been introduced since it's production.
I do feel that there's a bias against just how good these are by some engineers who either have limited analogue processor experience or by the manufacturers who of course are pushing their 'must be digital' agenda.
You did state that the 8100 was a favourite with the public and that must tell you something.
If all you want to do is play the loudness war then fine, if you want a more natural, warm sound then sorry, I'll stick with my 8100 - XT2.
Phil
Transmitters 'R' Us
http://www.transmittersrus.com
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