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NBC killing The Weather Channel

Tom Wells said:
The wisdom of NAMING yourself something that you must abandon as your primary function?

How about the Sometimes We Have The Weather Channel, and everything would have been fine today.

MTV gave up music videos.

...

I always thought it was funny when the weather channel didn't have weather on...
Just like it's kinda funny that Radio Shack can't BE Radio Shack anymore..Kentucky Fried Chicken can't BE Kentucky Fried Chicken anymore....these names are just to confining....we just want to make money, and if that means selling machetes today
and inflatable outdoor holdiay decorations next year, that's what we'll do.
It's so hard to accomplish that with a name like Almagamated Peashooters.
People will expect that you actually make and/or sell Peashooters.

In Canada at least the cablers have to be licensed by the CRTC to serve different types of programs.

I want channels to be held accountable for their changes. The Weather Channel should have been cable-licensed by the FCC (and they should have had such a system) so that it could never do anything BUT weather. MTV? Only music videos. TLC? Only educational shows. King Money must abdicate. And he might have to be FORCED to.
 
I must say I have wondered who the bonehead was who is programming The Weather Channel. I first saw it when Coleman started it...weather every 5 minutes then with lots of personality in the on camera hosts. It was most fun then before it got so caught up in formatics.

Still the more rigid programming worked and will continue to work because of one factor: trust. The familiar face telling you what's happening in your backyard offers a greater mental degree of comfort and safety than any app or internet source. We still like being told instead of figuring it out ourselves. Only by being weather when people tune in will TWC remain to be viable..in good weather and bad. As I learned in radio, people tune in for a reason. You're either being what they expect you to be or not. If you're not, then it's hand me the remote, man.

Storm Stories is perfect for TWC but not during a severe weather event. The movies and all the other non-weather programming including news features will do nothing but take people away from TWC. If TWC isn't doing weather, what's the point? I say, either do what you say you are or 'change format' entirely.
 
Bengalsfan said:
imhomerjay said:
The complaints are as old as the hill-billies.

And you just can't resist with your pithy, sarcastic comments since you have to respond to them every time. You just can't help yourself when you see someone complain about the quality, or lack thereof, in programming. I have often wondered why you seem to take these complaints so personal.

It's true.

And I haven't seen one reason from HJ or his new partner in crime, Nate Wesley as to how showing 3rd rate movies and retread shows like "Police Videos" is going to make the Weather Channel a raving success - while actually doing weather is a failure. No explanation as to why NBC-U is doing such a bang-up job that they feel compelled to constantly fiddle with the content of TWC. Only ad hominem attacks on the messenger when he suggests that they're going about this in the wrong way. Easy to nit pick and criticize individual posts (ofter incorrectly), yet I see no fresh ideas for improving this or other channels discussed here.

By the way, I also rarely wait for 'local on the 8s' - and agree that this concept needs to change. But in an evolutionary way - not by blowing out prime time to show a blockbuster film like "Tremors" starring Kevin Bacon. Next, they will probably feature a reality show about guessing which form of VD Kim Kardashian has this week. Which is probably just the sort of thing that NBC is trying to come up with and would be exactly the sort of thing that IHJ would applaud.
 
BRNout said:
And I haven't seen one reason from HJ or his new partner in crime, Nate Wesley as to how showing 3rd rate movies and retread shows like "Police Videos" is going to make the Weather Channel a raving success - while actually doing weather is a failure. No explanation as to why NBC-U is doing such a bang-up job that they feel compelled to constantly fiddle with the content of TWC. Only ad hominem attacks on the messenger when he suggests that they're going about this in the wrong way. Easy to nit pick and criticize individual posts (ofter incorrectly), yet I see no fresh ideas for improving this or other channels discussed here.

It's the "smartest man in the room" complex. They do this by pointing out the obvious thereby making them feel like the smartest man in the room, wasting bandwidth and raising the noise floor without adding anything constructive to the conversation.



By the way, I also rarely wait for 'local on the 8s' - and agree that this concept needs to change. But in an evolutionary way - not by blowing out prime time to show a blockbuster film like "Tremors" starring Kevin Bacon. Next, they will probably feature a reality show about guessing which form of VD Kim Kardashian has this week. Which is probably just the sort of thing that NBC is trying to come up with and would be exactly the sort of thing that IHJ would applaud.

I think way to address the immediate need for weather information is to replace the useless information at the bottom of the screen with local information. Even my DirecTV receivers are addressable. I see no reason why they can't put local regional conditions and a forecast down there. I'm sure their WeatherStar technology would allow that at cable head ends, too.

Just out of curiosity I flipped over to see that The Weather Channel was doing at this moment. Coverage of a plane crash somewhere...not weather related. And of course using NBC for the coverage of the "disaster" in the gulf....where they can't find any of the oil. I just turned it back to ESPN after 10 minutes of no weather coverage.

What has probably happened is that Weather Channel execs have panicked. They saw a small drop in their Neilsen ratings so they pulled the knee jerk reaction of feeling like they need to move their programming in a direction like other cable channels....that nobody is watching. By dropping weather coverage in good times, they are getting people used to no turning to them when weather gets bad and will relegate themselves to the basement with CNN and MSNBC when viewers have moved onto other sources.


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BRNout said:
I haven't seen one reason from HJ or his new partner in crime, Nate Wesley as to how showing 3rd rate movies and retread shows like "Police Videos" is going to make the Weather Channel a raving success - while actually doing weather is a failure.
You have; you just choose once more to willingly ignore all that doesn’t fit your quaint, old-school model of how TV worked a decade…or two….or three…ago. It’s about the Benjamins in the pocket at the end of the day (in case “bottom line” should be too difficult a concept). Lower cost outlays in periods where people ain’t tuning in to watch weather maps and endlessly recycled discussions of rain in Ann Arbor and heat in Yuma. The audience for that dwindled. You don’t have to deal with that reality, but it makes it not a lick less true.

BRNout said:
No explanation as to why NBC-U is doing such a bang-up job that they feel compelled to constantly fiddle with the content of TWC. Only ad hominem attacks on the messenger when he suggests that they're going about this in the wrong way. Easy to nit pick and criticize individual posts (ofter incorrectly), yet I see no fresh ideas for improving this or other channels discussed here.
Speaks the person who often offers such political-campaign-worthy pseudo-insights as “we need to do it in an evolutionary way,” without offering…what was the word again…oh yeah, specifics.
What, precisely, would someone who’s not knocking the acceptance that 2010 isn’t 2000 or 1990 or 1980 need to offer in the way of “improving” things? It’s you that has an issue with being in a dwindling pool of people who have some aversion to new technologies rendering old-school business models obsolete. I’m not whining about the Weather Channel showing anything. Once upon a time I watched it on a semi-regular basis, but having joined the modern world, I have zero need for a TV channel to wait to get to the pieces of information I want when myriad sources offered me the data (virtually) instantly. On the rare occasions I want to see a large radar image to gauge a potential storm’s proximity, they offer the full-time WeatherScan channel. Problem solved. (Kind of like when I want to see a specific music video, I use that new-fangled interweb thingamabob.)
In theory, if I’m channel surfing and happen across a show that catches my interest, I’ll stay with it. I couldn’t care one lick about what channel it is or whether back in the day that channel used to do something different. Conversely, if it’s a weathercaster babbling about weather conditions in Timbuktu, I’m on to the next channel before they can say “cumulus.”

What’s so amusing, really, is the steadfast, almost toddler-like refusal to accept reality from a dollars & cents standpoint. If they can pocket a little more money by having a small sliver of the world tune in for a cheaper documentary or movie than with weather discussion, then that’s the right business decision for them. If they want to pour money down a hole by offering what fewer and fewer have interest in watching, hey, good for them, too. It’s not like it’s my performance evaluation at the end of the year when I need to explain why the business is bleeding money. And if they believe that they can make more profit by doing live weathercasting 24x7…well, good luck with that, but I doubt you’d find rational observers who think that’s very likely.

BRNout said:
By the way, I also rarely wait for 'local on the 8s' - and agree that this concept needs to change. But in an evolutionary way - not by blowing out prime time to show a blockbuster film like "Tremors" starring Kevin Bacon. Next, they will probably feature a reality show about guessing which form of VD Kim Kardashian has this week. Which is probably just the sort of thing that NBC is trying to come up with and would be exactly the sort of thing that IHJ would applaud.
Oh dear, are we jumping into the ad hominem biz as well? So sad to see. Yet more demonstrably false utterances to throw out when the facts don’t support the desperate clinging to the past.
 
I really don't like TWC using a LCD screen for forecasts. The green screen was better.

-crainbebo
 
I'm miss my WBAP too. And the year doesn't matter. I suppose it's OK if the water was pure yesteryear but
today there's perchloroethane in it?

Pollution of natural resources is not suddenly OK because it's some year or another.

Now that it's this year it's OK if your neighbor decides to park their car on YOUR lawn?

Now that it's NOW, it's OK to shoplilft, because respect for property (or granted license to use a resource) doesn't matter.

Please elabborate why temporal circumstance has any bearing on these matters.

Fewer choices and intentional, willful repeated malicious interference is supposed to be some kind of "improvement"?

'Splain how, please.
 
Tom Wells said:
Fewer choices and intentional, willful repeated malicious interference is supposed to be some kind of "improvement"?

'Splain how, please.

I wasn't aware that NBC's treatment of TWC was considered criminal activity. Or are you talking about your own situation?
 
mescutia said:
Tom Wells said:
Fewer choices and intentional, willful repeated malicious interference is supposed to be some kind of "improvement"?

'Splain how, please.

I wasn't aware that NBC's treatment of TWC was considered criminal activity. Or are you talking about your own situation?

No, I was commenting on the side-note referencing iboc (and particularly the AM version), that BRNout had commented on.

I have very little to say one way or another about cable coverage, I only see cable if I'm in a hotel, and since I'm no longer on the road, that would be almost never these days.

I don;t think my employer is malicious, just behaving in the full corporation mode, where people really don't matter.
If my situation is bad, you ought to see how they treat equipment! Which, of course, i'm suppposed to be able to fix no matter how trashed it is, and have them running again in short order.
 
I'm still pissed that the USA Network no longer airs Night Flight on Friday and Saturday night but I've learned to adapt and move on. The fans of TWC are obviously still having a hard time letting go and moving on.
 
Night Flight! Hey, while we're at it, let's bring back Radio 1990, Cartoon Express and reruns of marginal '80s game shows. Hey, they were there once, dagnabit, and we all know nothing may change (just "evolve," so long as it takes as long to evolve as actual evolution).

Nate Wesley said:
You're not gonna convince him, IMHJ. Not only is BRNout mad about The Weather Channel, he's mad that he can't listen to WBAP 820 in Dallas...comfortably from his home in metro Chicago.

http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=173561.msg1504952#msg1504952

I'll give him this, he's consistent. And old.
That was a great read, thanks, Nate. Man, no out-of-market radio station to listen to anymore, no droning weathercasters available at lesser-watched times...and not enough 3,956th airings of Andy Griffith on TV Land. The only thing left to do is yell at the kids for playing that dang devil music too loud nowadays.
 
Let's go back to the Weather Channel. Their programming has gotten really stale in the past few months. On Saturdays, there's only like two or three hours of live weather between Noon and 4:30am. I remember when the only non live show they had was Atmospheres with Jim Cantore and Mish Michaels, which was a very good show.

Now, that show probably wouldn't fit, as they would want some eye candy (that show was mostly about weather).
 
As someone who will be interested in the path that Hurricane Earl will take, as it is scheduled to brush the Southeast on Thursday and sideswipe the Northeast the following day, I'd be interested in seeing how TWC covers it.
 
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