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NBC launching competitor to Antenna, RTV, Me-TV

cd637299 said:
Do you mean that Ozzie & Harriet will be in Stretch-o-Vision?

Looks more like vertical pan-and-scan in the promos, with the overscan areas on the sides leveraged to make it not quite so stretchy. Universal's been remastering using their film elements, with some moderate success (depending on your sensitivity, I guess.) This may not apply to Ozzie and Harriet and Burns and Allen, but a lot of Universal's 70's shows were shot on wider stock than they actually used in the 4x3 composition, since they had a tendency to package up edits of multiple episodes of some shows and screen them theatrically overseas. (In one case, Battlestar Galactica, they actually released early episodes in theaters stateside.)

Old videotape can actually be a good candidate for vertical pan-and-scan if it was shot with a reasonably conservative safe area, though not for reasons of resolution. When the full 4x3 frame of that videotape is shown, the unscanned corners of the picture are often displayed (they would have been inside the rounded corners of the screen bezel on old televisions.) Vertical pan-and-scan crops those distractions, while not losing nearly as much picture info as you'd expect, since the expectation was that TV's weren't commonly adjusted to show that portion of the picture. Blowing that rectangle up to 16x9 size will make the remaining scan lines in use pretty visible, though, unless steps are taken to clean them up.

A lot of kinescopes aren't such good candidates, though - they're generally film records *of* the safe area, and probably shouldn't be expanded. That case depends on both the show director/camera people and on the technician responsible for maintaining the kinescope.
 
hubcity said:
cd637299 said:
Do you mean that Ozzie & Harriet will be in Stretch-o-Vision?

Looks more like vertical pan-and-scan in the promos, with the overscan areas on the sides leveraged to make it not quite so stretchy. Universal's been remastering using their film elements, with some moderate success (depending on your sensitivity, I guess.) This may not apply to Ozzie and Harriet and Burns and Allen, but a lot of Universal's 70's shows were shot on wider stock than they actually used in the 4x3 composition, since they had a tendency to package up edits of multiple episodes of some shows and screen them theatrically overseas. (In one case, Battlestar Galactica, they actually released early episodes in theaters stateside.)

Old videotape can actually be a good candidate for vertical pan-and-scan if it was shot with a reasonably conservative safe area, though not for reasons of resolution. When the full 4x3 frame of that videotape is shown, the unscanned corners of the picture are often displayed (they would have been inside the rounded corners of the screen bezel on old televisions.) Vertical pan-and-scan crops those distractions, while not losing nearly as much picture info as you'd expect, since the expectation was that TV's weren't commonly adjusted to show that portion of the picture. Blowing that rectangle up to 16x9 size will make the remaining scan lines in use pretty visible, though, unless steps are taken to clean them up.

A lot of kinescopes aren't such good candidates, though - they're generally film records *of* the safe area, and probably shouldn't be expanded. That case depends on both the show director/camera people and on the technician responsible for maintaining the kinescope.

Cozi-TV will be adding McMillian & Wife, McCloud & Banacek on Mon. Dec. 31st starting at 7pm CT
 
charles123 said:
hubcity said:
cd637299 said:
Do you mean that Ozzie & Harriet will be in Stretch-o-Vision?

Looks more like vertical pan-and-scan in the promos, with the overscan areas on the sides leveraged to make it not quite so stretchy. Universal's been remastering using their film elements, with some moderate success (depending on your sensitivity, I guess.) This may not apply to Ozzie and Harriet and Burns and Allen, but a lot of Universal's 70's shows were shot on wider stock than they actually used in the 4x3 composition, since they had a tendency to package up edits of multiple episodes of some shows and screen them theatrically overseas. (In one case, Battlestar Galactica, they actually released early episodes in theaters stateside.)

Old videotape can actually be a good candidate for vertical pan-and-scan if it was shot with a reasonably conservative safe area, though not for reasons of resolution. When the full 4x3 frame of that videotape is shown, the unscanned corners of the picture are often displayed (they would have been inside the rounded corners of the screen bezel on old televisions.) Vertical pan-and-scan crops those distractions, while not losing nearly as much picture info as you'd expect, since the expectation was that TV's weren't commonly adjusted to show that portion of the picture. Blowing that rectangle up to 16x9 size will make the remaining scan lines in use pretty visible, though, unless steps are taken to clean them up.

A lot of kinescopes aren't such good candidates, though - they're generally film records *of* the safe area, and probably shouldn't be expanded. That case depends on both the show director/camera people and on the technician responsible for maintaining the kinescope.

Cozi-TV will be adding McMillian & Wife, McCloud & Banacek on Mon. Dec. 31st starting at 7pm CT
I'm glad to hear this Charles could you share where you found this schedule? I cant't find anything except the first two day on the 20th and 21st.
 
Going back to Nashville said:
charles123 said:
hubcity said:
cd637299 said:
Do you mean that Ozzie & Harriet will be in Stretch-o-Vision?

Looks more like vertical pan-and-scan in the promos, with the overscan areas on the sides leveraged to make it not quite so stretchy. Universal's been remastering using their film elements, with some moderate success (depending on your sensitivity, I guess.) This may not apply to Ozzie and Harriet and Burns and Allen, but a lot of Universal's 70's shows were shot on wider stock than they actually used in the 4x3 composition, since they had a tendency to package up edits of multiple episodes of some shows and screen them theatrically overseas. (In one case, Battlestar Galactica, they actually released early episodes in theaters stateside.)

Old videotape can actually be a good candidate for vertical pan-and-scan if it was shot with a reasonably conservative safe area, though not for reasons of resolution. When the full 4x3 frame of that videotape is shown, the unscanned corners of the picture are often displayed (they would have been inside the rounded corners of the screen bezel on old televisions.) Vertical pan-and-scan crops those distractions, while not losing nearly as much picture info as you'd expect, since the expectation was that TV's weren't commonly adjusted to show that portion of the picture. Blowing that rectangle up to 16x9 size will make the remaining scan lines in use pretty visible, though, unless steps are taken to clean them up.

A lot of kinescopes aren't such good candidates, though - they're generally film records *of* the safe area, and probably shouldn't be expanded. That case depends on both the show director/camera people and on the technician responsible for maintaining the kinescope.

Cozi-TV will be adding McMillian & Wife, McCloud & Banacek on Mon. Dec. 31st starting at 7pm CT
I'm glad to hear this Charles could you share where you found this schedule? I cant't find anything except the first two day on the 20th and 21st.

www.cozitv.com under TV Listing
 
charles123 said:
Going back to Nashville said:
charles123 said:
hubcity said:
cd637299 said:
Do you mean that Ozzie & Harriet will be in Stretch-o-Vision?

Looks more like vertical pan-and-scan in the promos, with the overscan areas on the sides leveraged to make it not quite so stretchy. Universal's been remastering using their film elements, with some moderate success (depending on your sensitivity, I guess.) This may not apply to Ozzie and Harriet and Burns and Allen, but a lot of Universal's 70's shows were shot on wider stock than they actually used in the 4x3 composition, since they had a tendency to package up edits of multiple episodes of some shows and screen them theatrically overseas. (In one case, Battlestar Galactica, they actually released early episodes in theaters stateside.)

Old videotape can actually be a good candidate for vertical pan-and-scan if it was shot with a reasonably conservative safe area, though not for reasons of resolution. When the full 4x3 frame of that videotape is shown, the unscanned corners of the picture are often displayed (they would have been inside the rounded corners of the screen bezel on old televisions.) Vertical pan-and-scan crops those distractions, while not losing nearly as much picture info as you'd expect, since the expectation was that TV's weren't commonly adjusted to show that portion of the picture. Blowing that rectangle up to 16x9 size will make the remaining scan lines in use pretty visible, though, unless steps are taken to clean them up.

A lot of kinescopes aren't such good candidates, though - they're generally film records *of* the safe area, and probably shouldn't be expanded. That case depends on both the show director/camera people and on the technician responsible for maintaining the kinescope.

Cozi-TV will be adding McMillian & Wife, McCloud & Banacek on Mon. Dec. 31st starting at 7pm CT
I'm glad to hear this Charles could you share where you found this schedule? I cant't find anything except the first two day on the 20th and 21st.

www.cozitv.com under TV Listing
Thank You Charles!
 
I hope we see this on 3.2 in Cleveland soon. We are currently treated to a weather radar screen 24/7 on that subchannel. ::)
 
skiwest said:
I hope we see this on 3.2 in Cleveland soon. We are currently treated to a weather radar screen 24/7 on that subchannel. ::)
Don't get your hopes up. I'm in a similar situation in the Twin Cities where the local NBC station apparently isn't bothering to add 11.3 just for Cozi/NonStop,

Thanks Gannett for being such snobs when it comes to digital channels.
 
This is definitely a tv trend. These retro networks are growing and becoming more competitive, but perhaps may kill each other off eventually. Who knows.

That being said, I really like Me-TV and Antenna. They seem to suit this 53-year old just fine. And that is the point here...what demo are you looking for with these? My guess is 45-54, which is exactly where I am, sort of. To get me, you need Mary Tyler Moore, All In The Family, Bob Newhart, Maude, Frasier, etc. Maybe even some Seinfeld and Cheers.
Hmm. Already on the existing retro nets. How do you expand? Go younger, older, or keep it right there in the middle. All of a sudden this a new TV topic that is important.
 
cd637299 said:
I'm wondering if indeed NBC has thousands of original "Concentration" game show episodes in their vault.....if there was ever a time to release the tiger,..... :)

BTW is this to say that NonStop will stop?
I'm wondering how many episodes of Another World, Edge Of Night & Search For Tomorrow they have in their vault? If they have enough, maybe they might make an offer to Proctor & Gamble to buy the rest of the P&G soap opera vault too

BTW for those who don't know, it was NBC's now-current sister network USA Network which rebroadcast episodes of Edge Of Night & Search For Tomorrow late at night back in the 90s mainly for those who never got a chance to see them when they were originally broadcast

They could use a few of those to compete against the crap (DOOL notwithstanding as NBC of course wouldn't wanna cannibalize its own show) that passes as "Good" soap opera drama today

Just wonderin'

Thoughts?

Cheers & 73 :D
 
ansky212 said:
DToTheJ said:
When I think of 80's shows whose reruns are not currently airing, I think "Perfect Strangers" - but then, I also think it wasn't a good show, IMHO.

I'm sure if you surf basic cable, you'll find many of the popular sitcoms and shows from that decade scattered about.

I can think of a whole list that are not currently airing:

Growing Pains
Diffrent Strokes
Silver Spoons
Punky Brewster
Perfect Strangers
MacGyver (only airs occasionally on Cloo)
Moonlighting
Webster
Charles in Charge
Empty Nest
L.A. Law
Love Boat
Fantasy Island
Incredible Hulk
Magnum PI
Night Court
Life Goes On
Gimme a Break
You're assuming none of these programs have aired on Indie stations. I happen to know for a fact that KCDO 3 has aired Magnum P.I. even after they dropped RTV (Whom Cozi would also be competing against, though not cited or even mentioned in the report) & dare I say still probably holds the local broadcast rights to it today

And all of us are assuming they won't GET PERMISSION to air shows which aren't under the NBC Universal library as well (Afterall that's what the current diginets did)

Cheers & 73 :D
 
searadiofreak said:
This is definitely a tv trend. These retro networks are growing and becoming more competitive, but perhaps may kill each other off eventually. Who knows.

Apparently, they're no so cutthroat in some markets -- here in Tampa Bay, we only have Me TV (WFLA) and This TV (WMOR). RTV is still AWOL after being dumped by WFLA for Me TV, and so far no takers for Antenna TV or Cozi.
 
WVIT-TV channel 30 of New Britain/Hartford is owned by NBC. Sure enough, CoziTV popped up when doing a digital cable rescan with no converter. Until yesterday, my relative's TV, which also uses no cable converter, was getting WVIT's Weather Plus channel on 30-2. The PSIP Data from the station will have to be updated, as the caption on her TV still says "30-2 | NBC PLUS." My television, an old Sanyo model from 2006, does some of the QAM assignments randomly. It shows WVIT as QAM channel 27-2 and CoziTV as 27-3.
 
Are any stations actually airing Cozi TV programming yet? I just tuned to WNBC 4.2 and they are showing some local WNBC news program. The program guide says "Petticoat Junction".
 
ansky212 said:
Are any stations actually airing Cozi TV programming yet? I just tuned to WNBC 4.2 and they are showing some local WNBC news program. The program guide says "Petticoat Junction".

Might be a bulletin, then. I already posted on what I have seen on the Classic TV board.

cd
 
EJ204 said:
Agreed. It seems This TV has reduced the number of black and white TV shows it runs. I don't see Sea Hunt, Bat Masterson or Highway Patrol listed these days. They had been frequently seen when This TV first signed on in NYC.

Now it's just a couple of youth-oriented black and white comedies: Patty Duke and Mister Ed, and only on weekdays. On weekends, it seems the only classic TV show they run is Green Acres. The rest is all movies.

ME doesn't like that.
I think ThisTV is trying to largely appeal to a younger generation

By that I mean instead of appealing to those familiar with shows from the 1960s & 1970s, they're going after more & more comedies & modern lightly-violent movies (All from the 1980s & later)

Basically put, they're doing what FX does - Just not directly on cable

Cheers & 73 :D
 
Rube Dali said:
skiwest said:
I hope we see this on 3.2 in Cleveland soon. We are currently treated to a weather radar screen 24/7 on that subchannel. ::)
Don't get your hopes up. I'm in a similar situation in the Twin Cities where the local NBC station apparently isn't bothering to add 11.3 just for Cozi/NonStop,

Thanks Gannett for being such snobs when it comes to digital channels.
Actually it's quite the contrary. In Denver (And dare I say in Atlanta & probably Jacksonville as well), they've added MeTV as a diginet. When Universal Sports was a diginet, they had that too. All three have WeatherPlus channels (At least KUSA 9 here in Denver does)

Gannett's problem is the competition - NOT THEIR DESIRE TO ADD DIGINETS

Cheers & 73 :D
 
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