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NBC Shakeup - Conan "Out" - Jay Back In

Change was a foregone conclusion. Low ratings plus unhappy affiliates = no brainer.

But I got a real laugh out of this quote: "A rep for NBC tells TMZ: "Jay Leno is one of the most compelling entertainers in the world today."

If that had been true people would have watched.
 
I like this piece of info from the article:

"As for Jay, interestingly, he'll get what he always wanted - his 11:30 PM time slot." ???

Funny, I thought that Jay had it from 1992 to 2009 and whenever he subbed for Johnny.

I don't know whether to believe TMZ about this or not. Just have to wait until someone else confirms this as fact.
 
Hmm...same as Michael Jackson's death. TMZ had it first, took CNN, Fox, MSNBC atleast an hour or more to confirm...I would bet on TMZ again.
 
searadiofreak said:
Hmm...same as Michael Jackson's death. TMZ had it first, took CNN, Fox, MSNBC atleast an hour or more to confirm...I would bet on TMZ again.
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Me too. When it comes to "Hollywood" news, you underestimate TMZ at your own peril.

Returning Jay to late night is a no-brainer as it was clear that his prime time show was never going to take off. To the contrary, he was dragging down the entire schedule. And, Letterman was beating up on the more-talented Conan every night. You may recall that Jay had the upper hand in that battle for years.

The big question now is: what happens with Conan? You'd think that he's too valuable to just toss out the door.
 
Wow thats the best news I heard today.But the source of it,TMZ reminds me of the those rag zines,I wait for Entertainment Tonight,Access Hollywood,Extra or E channel's Enews for the truth of this story tonight.I the 10 pm show was going to peter out quick,Poor Conan,I like his show,Jay at 11;30,Conan at his old 12;30 slot,Jimmy at 1:30,Carson at 2;30 dump Poker After Dark,I never got into this show ,but I rather see Poker done live at a casino.I'm wondering how the ratings of Poker are.at 3 am rerun Jay Leno from 11:30pm.This sounds good to me.
 
BRNout said:
The big question now is: what happens with Conan? You'd think that he's too valuable to just toss out the door.
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I remember reading about this thought once either on this board or on another web site, but I wouldn't be surprised if Conan went to the alphabet network (ABC) or to FOX
 
BRNout said:
The big question now is: what happens with Conan? You'd think that he's too valuable to just toss out the door.
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If NBC were smart, they would give Conan his old slot back (if he wants it), and dump Jimmy Fallon ASAP. They're going to have to admit defeat at 12:35 to Craig Ferguson either way.

Now, what does NBC do with the five extra prime-time hours? Knowing NBC, they'll probably renew Chuck for another three seasons without seeing if it even attracts an audience this season! ;)
 
I know I'm underestimating TMZ now but, they are building up good rep from me ,they are still a rookie but coming on strong,I had a bad taste about the other hollywood shows when they first couple of years on tv.
 
How badly was Conan getting beaten by Letterman? I keep reading elsewhere that Conan was getting "crushed" by Letterman in the ratings.

Seems to me even if Leno was doing well in the current slot, NBC would have to do something with Conan if he was really getting beaten as badly by Letterman.

Was Leno beating Letterman before he left?
 
BRNout said:
searadiofreak said:
Hmm...same as Michael Jackson's death. TMZ had it first, took CNN, Fox, MSNBC atleast an hour or more to confirm...I would bet on TMZ again.
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Returning Jay to late night is a no-brainer as it was clear that his prime time show was never going to take off. To the contrary, he was dragging down the entire schedule. And, Letterman was beating up on the more-talented Conan every night. You may recall that Jay had the upper hand in that battle for years.

The big question now is: what happens with Conan? You'd think that he's too valuable to just toss out the door.
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I have to disagree with that. This is yet another bone-headed move by NBC. The NBC suits are panicking, in my opinion.

Leno is damaged goods now - even if he gets better ratings than Conan at 11:30 - the damage is done. His demographic is older, and he has a couple of good years left, at best. They should have canceled Leno, and left Conan where he is - retooled the Tonight Show and given it some time to work. Remember that Leno's Tonight Show got off to a slow start in the 90s, and didn't become #1 and beat Letterman for quite awhile..after they had changed the set, got better writers, came up with some clever material, and gave it time to work. Conan should have been given the same opportunity. Then if another year goes by without ratings improvement for Conan, then they could fire him a bring in a new host...not Leno.

Remember that one of the big justifications for giving Jay the 10:00 show was the threat that he'd go to ABC or Fox and beat the Tonight Show at 11:30. Now, at worst, ABC or Fox might give Jay a try, but after his failed 10:00 show, I think he'd get mediocre ratings.
 
I'm sure an NBC cable property (Bravo? USA?) would love to have Conan anchoring their lineup five nights a week.
 
Lkeller said:
Remember that Leno's Tonight Show got off to a slow start in the 90s, and didn't become #1 and beat Letterman for quite awhile..after they had changed the set, got better writers, came up with some clever material, and gave it time to work.
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...and Leno threw manager Helen Kushnick under the network bus. Helen may have been what my father used to call "a b**ch on four wheels," but she was the only reason Leno got that job in the first place...
 
Ultimajock said:
Lkeller said:
Remember that Leno's Tonight Show got off to a slow start in the 90s, and didn't become #1 and beat Letterman for quite awhile..after they had changed the set, got better writers, came up with some clever material, and gave it time to work.
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...and Leno threw manager Helen Kushnick under the network bus. Helen may have been what my father used to call "a b**ch on four wheels," but she was the only reason Leno got that job in the first place...
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Kushnick was out, and Debbie Vickers would later be in as Executive Producer. Prior to that, she was responsible for booking the guests on Carson's "Tonight Show."

But despite what you say, the official word is that Jay's going nowhere. He's been a loyal member of the NBC family since his early appearances on Carson (you should check out his '70s fro!) and Letterman; he even hosted SNL in the 1985-86 season and had his own variety special.

By the way...how's Jay doing in Canada against "The National"?
 
The numbers for Fallon are actually beating out Ferguson. They have for months now! The real winner at that time slot is Jimmy Kimmel though.
In my opinion, I don't think Conan is funny at all. He did a horrible job taking over The Tonight Show.
The Tonight Show was basically a carry over of what he did at Late Night, which produced similar ratings.

I was listening to Jimmy Kimmel on Adam Carolla's podcast the other night, and he was talking about how when Jay left the 11:35 slot, all the numbers for late night TV overall went down.
Jay Leno always created great numbers at his 11:35 slot. The 10PM slot causes problems because #1. the show's format has changed dramatically and #2. prime Jay viewers can't always make it at the 10PM timeslot.

It's not that Jay's losing it, it's that Conan's losing it.
 
It's obvious they are sweating bullets at NBC over all this. The fiasco began several years ago when NBC announced O'Brien would be replacing Leno way too early. Their reasoning was they wanted to keep O'Brien from jumping. Leno never wanted to leave The Tonight Show. Then mistake #2, trying to keep Leno from jumping by offering 10pm.
Result: ratings dive for both 10p, and 11:30. The damage has been done. Now it is damage control time. If TMZ is correct, and they usually are, it will be a win for Leno, and a setback for Conan, who could jump, but is now considered somewhat damaged goods due to his poor ratings against Letterman. The one thing that all this does bring is attention and drama to late-night, which is probably good for the genre. In the meantime, Dave is probably sitting back and enjoying all this with great amusement.
 
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