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NBC Shakeup - Conan "Out" - Jay Back In
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It appears this is official.
Leno at 10pm: Canceled.
Leno at 11:35pm: 30 minute show
Conan at 12:05am: 1 hr show
Fallon at 1:05am: 1 hr show
Daly at 2:05am: 30 minute show
New York Times reports: http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/07/update-nbc-plans-leno-at-1130-conan-at-12/
Leno at 10pm: Canceled.
Leno at 11:35pm: 30 minute show
Conan at 12:05am: 1 hr show
Fallon at 1:05am: 1 hr show
Daly at 2:05am: 30 minute show
New York Times reports: http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/07/update-nbc-plans-leno-at-1130-conan-at-12/
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kenrayc
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What NBC should do is give the 10:00 slot to affiliates for local news many would like a one hour newscast to compete with FOX affiates, give JAY his hour back start it at 11:00, Conan at 12:00 and Jimmy at 1:00.
How are they going to fill those 5 hours of prime time, there programs are already weak in the ratings anyway, I caan just see it they'll run reruns of SVU, Heroes, and Chuck til they produce new shows of they'll add more reality crap programming.
How are they going to fill those 5 hours of prime time, there programs are already weak in the ratings anyway, I caan just see it they'll run reruns of SVU, Heroes, and Chuck til they produce new shows of they'll add more reality crap programming.
YES! NBC finally comes to its senses. Not only was Spongebob beating Leno at 10, they gave away the late night crown to CBS doing so. And, CBS shows that would have bombed at 10pm like "The Good Wife" became hits. Biggest blunder since Chevy Chase went late night.
The best solution would be to give Jay his full hour back and let Conan go ruin another network's ratings. And I don't look at Jay as "damaged goods" lkeller. Viewers don't care, and TV is full of comeback stories.
p.s. Ferguson has been beating Fallon almost regularly...he's also much, much better.
The best solution would be to give Jay his full hour back and let Conan go ruin another network's ratings. And I don't look at Jay as "damaged goods" lkeller. Viewers don't care, and TV is full of comeback stories.
p.s. Ferguson has been beating Fallon almost regularly...he's also much, much better.
kenrayc said:
They'll probably do some shuffling, show some movies in the 9-11 slot or get NBC News to do some more Dateline To Catch A Predator-esque specials
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kenrayc
Guest
benwolf said:
Give Jay back his hour, and if Conan doesn't want the 12:35 slot he can go TBS, replace the George Lopez show(which is probabily not going to last) with Conan.
What is Jay going to do in 30 minutes that he couldn't in a hour? Just have one guest and talk to them? No Headlines? No music? NBC might just as well let ABC or FOX do something with Leno. Conan is not going anywhere on NBC but Leno will if the money talks with ABC or FOX. If he goes to ABC, it would be Nightline at 11:30 (they can't do away with Nightline) and Leno airs at Midnight with Kimmel following at 1:00 AM. If he goes to FOX, then he can have the 11:00 PM timeslot.
But on the other hand, what is NBC going to put in the 10:00 slot? They have just about to run out of ideas with Law and Order. My guess and NBC will do it regardless and that is put in another reality show.
But on the other hand, what is NBC going to put in the 10:00 slot? They have just about to run out of ideas with Law and Order. My guess and NBC will do it regardless and that is put in another reality show.
PTBoardOp94 said:
Wow that almost what I figured,but Jay a half hour? Dump the Poker show and give Leno his full hour,unless this half hour stint was his idea to stay on NBC until his contract run out.
Looks like more Law & Order, room for Southland, maybe even reruns of Monk to fill the 10pm slots. Also a good idea, (someone mentioned) give affils the 10pm for news then Jay for an hour, Conan an hour, etc.
I believe Jay opened the door when he was quoted a while back saying he would happily go back to 11:30. People say he is he nicest man in Hollywood, but I really doubt that. He may have went to the NBC brass and whined. Stabbed Conan. Just like he did to get Carsons chair originally.
When NBC at the time should have given the Tonight Show to Jay, BUT air it at 12:35 with Late Night with David Letterman airing at 11:35. That way, as I understood it, Jay was signed to take over when Johnny Carson retired. So NBC could have fulfilled the contract by switching time slots with the shows. But that is in the past and now we watch as the titanic, that NBC created, sinks even further.
As NBC screws around with their late night schedules, CBS and ABC will benefit by staying their course.
I believe Jay opened the door when he was quoted a while back saying he would happily go back to 11:30. People say he is he nicest man in Hollywood, but I really doubt that. He may have went to the NBC brass and whined. Stabbed Conan. Just like he did to get Carsons chair originally.
When NBC at the time should have given the Tonight Show to Jay, BUT air it at 12:35 with Late Night with David Letterman airing at 11:35. That way, as I understood it, Jay was signed to take over when Johnny Carson retired. So NBC could have fulfilled the contract by switching time slots with the shows. But that is in the past and now we watch as the titanic, that NBC created, sinks even further.
As NBC screws around with their late night schedules, CBS and ABC will benefit by staying their course.
Love the full hour of local news at 10 pm idea. I'm mainly a fan of the idea because the ABC & NBC stations in my market both air (roughly) the same news @ 11 (one of them is live and one is an hour old (it airs on a digital subchannel at 10). I can dream all I want, but there is no way this idea flies nationwide. NBC affiliates don't want to give up competing with stations they've been competing with for 50 or 60 years.
Next question: Is it going to continue to be "Tonight with Conan" or will we get "Tonight with Jay" again?
Also, will Conan get a big penalty payment because of this? I think there was a clause in his contract guranteeing him roughly $40 mil if he didn't get "Tonight". Well, he did get it but apparantly not for even a full season. And if he gets to keep the "Tonight" name it apparantly won't air at 11:30 anymore like it has since the '50s. Conan could very well walk because of this.
If Conan does leave, I don't think ABC is in the cards. They are very happy with Jimmy, and according to this week's TV Guide, Nightline's ratings are WAY up since Conan took over. Would Fox get into late night again? Don't know whether they're interested or not, but I can't think of anyone better to build a show (and a late night lineup) around than Conan. And let's not forget CBS. Dave isn't going to host forever and I've heard Craig say he doesn't want to host a talk show forever. If he leaves NBC, I see only two options. Conan is way too talented for basic cable.
Next question: Is it going to continue to be "Tonight with Conan" or will we get "Tonight with Jay" again?
Also, will Conan get a big penalty payment because of this? I think there was a clause in his contract guranteeing him roughly $40 mil if he didn't get "Tonight". Well, he did get it but apparantly not for even a full season. And if he gets to keep the "Tonight" name it apparantly won't air at 11:30 anymore like it has since the '50s. Conan could very well walk because of this.
If Conan does leave, I don't think ABC is in the cards. They are very happy with Jimmy, and according to this week's TV Guide, Nightline's ratings are WAY up since Conan took over. Would Fox get into late night again? Don't know whether they're interested or not, but I can't think of anyone better to build a show (and a late night lineup) around than Conan. And let's not forget CBS. Dave isn't going to host forever and I've heard Craig say he doesn't want to host a talk show forever. If he leaves NBC, I see only two options. Conan is way too talented for basic cable.
According to the NY Times, according to Conan's contract he is the Host of 'The Tonight Show' or NBC has to cough up nearly 45 Million bucks. So the 11:35 show will be The Jay Leno Show, followed by The Tonight Show With Conan O'Brien.
The last paragraph of the article sounds as if Jay is hinting he will be shopping around....
(From NY Times);
Mr. Leno seemed to relish NBC’s predicament at Thursday’s taping. “As you may have heard, there is a rumor floating around that we were canceled,” he told his audience. “I heard it coming in this morning on the radio. So far no one has said anything to me. But if we did get canceled, it will give us time to do some traveling. I understand that Fox is beautiful this time of year.”
The last paragraph of the article sounds as if Jay is hinting he will be shopping around....
(From NY Times);
Mr. Leno seemed to relish NBC’s predicament at Thursday’s taping. “As you may have heard, there is a rumor floating around that we were canceled,” he told his audience. “I heard it coming in this morning on the radio. So far no one has said anything to me. But if we did get canceled, it will give us time to do some traveling. I understand that Fox is beautiful this time of year.”
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searadiofreak
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1069_KIFR said:
Yes, the Leno comments tonight were a bit odd. If he knew he was going to 11:35 on NBC, why would he talk about "Fox" and NBC as standing for "never believe your contract"? Unless, it is all part of a grand plan to make this whole thing a ratings drama. As I said earlier, the late night genre will benefit from all this attention and drama.
1069_KIFR said:
He made the same kinds of jokes before NBC made the 10 PM deal. It is probably a subtle warning to NBC that he can compete against them.
Nothing is official yet. They are still talking. Latest word is "The Jay Leno Show" at 11:35, "Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien" at 12:05, and "Late Night with Jimmy Fallon" at 1:05.
There has been rumors that Carson Daly's show was ready to be cancelled. I suspect this will happen under this scenario. "Poker After Dark" probably will not be affected.
I suspect if they don't act soon...Boston viewers will see "7 News at 10 PM" on WHDH, and other viewers will see local news at 10 PM on their local NBC stations.
Let FOX or ABC have Conan, if he can't perform on NBC, what's going to make you think he's going perform on another network? His ratings suck right now, it's not like people are going to say "Conan's on FOX now...his show must be better".
NBC didn't want another David Letterman to happen, that's why they kept Conan.
But NBC was stupid enough to see potential in Conan.
Conan doesn't even have to walk or complain. If NBC fires him, they'll owe him $40 Million if they kick him out of the host gig. He gets paid $25 Million a year. He'll still be rich, if he stays or not. And it's more of a bargain for NBC to kick him off right now and they'll owe him less for his services.
There will be a big problem if NBC decides to have Jay on for 30 mins, Conan on for an hour and Fallon on for an hour and Carson on for an hour. Not too many people are going to be tuning in at 1 AM, it's basically going to be a big waste of money.
NBC didn't want another David Letterman to happen, that's why they kept Conan.
But NBC was stupid enough to see potential in Conan.
Conan doesn't even have to walk or complain. If NBC fires him, they'll owe him $40 Million if they kick him out of the host gig. He gets paid $25 Million a year. He'll still be rich, if he stays or not. And it's more of a bargain for NBC to kick him off right now and they'll owe him less for his services.
There will be a big problem if NBC decides to have Jay on for 30 mins, Conan on for an hour and Fallon on for an hour and Carson on for an hour. Not too many people are going to be tuning in at 1 AM, it's basically going to be a big waste of money.
I guess I'm one of the few people here who think Conan is funny and a good interviewer. Leno might be a nice guy but I don't think he's very funny. What's Leno going to do with a 30 minute show? After they load it with commercials it will probably be about 20 minutes. Are they really going to pay him for that? Wow and to think the Tonight Show used to be 90 minutes!
radiojomo said:
It wouldn't behoove Fox to take a chance on Conan. After all, he's a more established name in late-night than Chevy Chase was back when he first started on Fox.
The only question is, would Fox come up with a thirty-five minute daily show as a lead-in to Conan at 11:35? Hmmm, "daily show..." Maybe they can grab Jon Stewart from Comedy Central?
Those extra five hours NBC is picking up every week will be squandered on Dateline NBC, 3-hour blocks of The Biggest Loser, and other assorted reality nonsense that will do nothing to get them out of the hole they've dug for themselves.
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