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new allocation in Sedro-Woolley
- Thread starter bobdavcav
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Actually the unofficial word going around here is that the reason the CBC increased the power (x5) on 88.1 is because they want to shut CBU 690 down. It's costing them a bundle to keep that facility on the air.
I too wonder how the new 97KW CBU-2 and KWAO with 76 KW's will be able to co-exist on 88.1. Especially after finding out that KWAO's tower is in the Olympia area.....nowhere near Ocean Park.
I too wonder how the new 97KW CBU-2 and KWAO with 76 KW's will be able to co-exist on 88.1. Especially after finding out that KWAO's tower is in the Olympia area.....nowhere near Ocean Park.
For the first few days of KWAO, their signal was very weak in North Seattle, which made me think that's a long way to Ocean Park, so there you have it. Then it pumped up and is clearly audible most days now thru probably all of metro Seattle as far north as Everett. (Those South Sound stations have a way of reaching up Puget Sound along the coastal areas, as well as carrying over the inland terrain.)
What a waste of wattage to have everything crammed in so tight. Makes in-car listening untenable for more and more freqs. And that kind of signal interference still causes lots of flutter and sputter, even when the "other" station doesn't overtake it. Been there and lived to witness two FM signals coming in at the same time at a station I managed 15 years ago. Ours was a class A, 75 miles uphill from a same-channel class B. Remains a mess to this day.
I also hate to see AM690 disappear, since it's the only way to get any CBC news or other programming when I take a weekend drive in the country, etc. without getting within spitting distance of the border. Their signal is still overwhelmed by AM710 once you get to Lynnwood and south, depending on what they're airing (remote live games don't seem to splatter so much). And the nighttime mess from Tijuana stations still make them and 1090 a real challenge at night.
102.9 from Centralia has an audible signal all the way past the Canadian border, and it's a good use of the technology to cover a wide area. But the simulcast of a 50kw AM station seems uninspired. Stuff really gets out around here with the height and power many stations are running. But ignoring reality for "projected" field strengths to cram in more signals that don't behave so neatly in the real world just sends yet another "signal" to listeners to stick with their I-Pods, etc and give up on the mess that passes for broadcast radio. And it just keeps getting worse.
I'd rather find more first-adjacent allocations in the San Juans and Olympia than putting new stuff to sit on top of other signals from Canada. Since this area was "designed" to allow for Vancouver and Victoria stations on the second adjacents to most Seattle stations, it is hard to squeeze more in. But someone keeps getting away with it. I don't see the "free market" being any kind of solution to this mess. But it seems like the big broadcasters and NAB, and their paid-for friends in Congress, won't let the FCC do their job to regulate, reallocate, and reinvigorate Am and Fm radio in any meaningful way. Even tho' they all stand to benefit from some fresh thinking about spectrum allocation.
But jamming Canadian signals like they were from Cuba is not the answer.
What a waste of wattage to have everything crammed in so tight. Makes in-car listening untenable for more and more freqs. And that kind of signal interference still causes lots of flutter and sputter, even when the "other" station doesn't overtake it. Been there and lived to witness two FM signals coming in at the same time at a station I managed 15 years ago. Ours was a class A, 75 miles uphill from a same-channel class B. Remains a mess to this day.
I also hate to see AM690 disappear, since it's the only way to get any CBC news or other programming when I take a weekend drive in the country, etc. without getting within spitting distance of the border. Their signal is still overwhelmed by AM710 once you get to Lynnwood and south, depending on what they're airing (remote live games don't seem to splatter so much). And the nighttime mess from Tijuana stations still make them and 1090 a real challenge at night.
102.9 from Centralia has an audible signal all the way past the Canadian border, and it's a good use of the technology to cover a wide area. But the simulcast of a 50kw AM station seems uninspired. Stuff really gets out around here with the height and power many stations are running. But ignoring reality for "projected" field strengths to cram in more signals that don't behave so neatly in the real world just sends yet another "signal" to listeners to stick with their I-Pods, etc and give up on the mess that passes for broadcast radio. And it just keeps getting worse.
I'd rather find more first-adjacent allocations in the San Juans and Olympia than putting new stuff to sit on top of other signals from Canada. Since this area was "designed" to allow for Vancouver and Victoria stations on the second adjacents to most Seattle stations, it is hard to squeeze more in. But someone keeps getting away with it. I don't see the "free market" being any kind of solution to this mess. But it seems like the big broadcasters and NAB, and their paid-for friends in Congress, won't let the FCC do their job to regulate, reallocate, and reinvigorate Am and Fm radio in any meaningful way. Even tho' they all stand to benefit from some fresh thinking about spectrum allocation.
But jamming Canadian signals like they were from Cuba is not the answer.
Hmm. I can't get KWAO very well up here. It's nowhere near as strong as 96.1, 97.7, 99.3, or 102.9. Where my grandparents live, there is a fair number of fm stations, but during the day, forget about am, nothing. Maybe if you had a good enough radio you could get a couple Seattle stations, but that's about it. Last time we were down there, we missed the first half of the Huskies game because I forgot about the 102.9 simulcast. No idea how good the 950 signal is down there.
Goldilocks said:
You may recall that the CBC tried this a few years ago when 88.1 first signed on the air. There was such a stink raised from the general public (especially in remote coastal communities) that the CRTC ordered the CBC to keep 690 on the air.
Once the increase in power to 88.1 takes effect the betting is that the CBC will once again plead their case to the CRTC about shutting 690 down. In light of the recent cuts to the CBC's budget it will likely get approved this time.
You may recall that the CBC tried this a few years ago when 88.1 first signed on the air. There was such a stink raised from the general public (especially in remote coastal communities) that the CRTC ordered the CBC to keep 690 on the air.
Once the increase in power to 88.1 takes effect the betting is that the CBC will once again plead their case to the CRTC about shutting 690 down. In light of the recent cuts to the CBC's budget it will likely get approved this time.
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