New ClassX is a great radio station!

[WestsideBulldog]

It's my station now?? Cool!
No mike the thread was about how good the signal and format was. NOT about paperwork filed on your time frame. Your "help" was not asked for by anyone. Nice to know through that there are "Big Brothers" out there looking over the shoulders of the basic listeners to make sure all paper work is in properly. So have you even listened to the station or live in the coverage area? My guess is you have not just looking to somehow discourage others from listening to the new station. IN addition it seems as if you have it out for the station for some reason. By the way have you picked up the phone to call WMWX to ask?

Considering you staunch defense of the station, it would seem that you are involved in the station or have more than a passing listener interest. It that is not the case, my apologies from drawing that conclusion.

I have listened to the station on line, and I was driving thru the area and heard the on air signal. The coverage area matched the predicted coverage on the route I was taking. I already have stated I do not live in the coverage area. The format is good, and is like some of the Jack or XM/Sirius channels, automated and Voice Tracked, at least the portions I heard. The music mix is likely not what is heard on the main broadcast channels, and so it will likely attract listeners. I have not heard any live jocks, except for a cut-in from a county fair.

As for implying that I am "looking to somehow discourage others from listening to the new station" is both innacurate and just plain ridiculous. At no time did I imply or discourage listenership, nor do "I have it out for the station." In fact, by posing the question, and offering correct legal and technical advice, I hope the station will flourish. That is and always has been the intent. If I was out for the station, I would be doing more than posting here.

The other thing to keep in mind, is that these boards are primarily read and posted by those in the industry or related to it. It is not a general blog or board for the public and in general, the "basic listener" does not read it nor post to it, as a rule. Thus, any posts on formats, signal quality, tech issues, station rumors and gossip are par for the course, including legitimate questions on the station's operation, such as CPs, studio location or improvements, and the like are par for the course, on any thread. Threads also change subjects inside of them, as well. All one has to do is look at this board and its close cousin that split off, and you see that this is the case. So, it is logical that one would ask questions regarding ownership, licensing, etc.

Have I called the station? Yes, I have, and left a comment on the programming and that I liked the format. They could do without some of the 80's hair bands, but that is my preference.

You have been pointing the finger at WMWX without knowing the actual facts. Frankly its none of your business in my opinion. They (WMWX) have when asked have stated they have a paid attourney, engineers ect. who do know the facts of whats going on. I have asked (WMWX) and have gotten a very clear answer to your finger pointings. Your help is not asked for to point out your so called "FACTS" to others in the industry which simply imply wrong doing which is not the case at all. You have stated they (WMWX) have set-out to break the rules and in fact they have not. That is being an A$$ in your own indusrty to try and turn on your own radio enthusiests. It does not make sence. You contridict yourself.....your saying your helping by publicly pointing the finger at them and not bing accurate? That is why its the wrong platform at anytime. Maybe by picking up the phone and having a private conversation with them or email them directly instead of a public forum would have been a better choice. I have done my homework on this and you are just wrong......sorry.

 

[radiomike]

You have been pointing the finger at WMWX without knowing the actual facts. Frankly its none of your business in my opinion. They (WMWX) have when asked have stated they have a paid attourney, engineers ect. who do know the facts of whats going on. I have asked (WMWX) and have gotten a very clear answer to your finger pointings. Your help is not asked for to point out your so called "FACTS" to others in the industry which simply imply wrong doing which is not the case at all. You have stated they (WMWX) have set-out to break the rules and in fact they have not. That is being an A$$ in your own indusrty to try and turn on your own radio enthusiests. It does not make sence. You contridict yourself.....your saying your helping by publicly pointing the finger at them and not bing accurate? That is why its the wrong platform at anytime. Maybe by picking up the phone and having a private conversation with them or email them directly instead of a public forum would have been a better choice. I have done my homework on this and you are just wrong......sorry.

Let's Consider the Facts, as they are in agreement with the FCC. Fact: WMWX completed their construction as specified in their permit. Fact: WMWX conducted equipment tests and received the required materials to file an application for license and program test authority. Fact: WMWX went on the air on or about August 5th. Fact: WMWX mailed a letter to Commission containing the materials necessary to be filed with their application for license and permission to conduct program tests. No application was filed (this is visible from the FCC website). The date this was mailed August 10th, according to a handwritten notation on a letter in their application filed on August 18th. Fact: WMWX filed their license application on August 18th, and request for program test authority.
This is public legal record, on file at the FCC and in view by all, as filed and attested by the licensee. Thus, your assertion that all was done correctly is just not true. Was it intentional? I would surely believe it was not, as I mentioned previously that even experienced GMs make mistakes, even with attorneys and engineers on retainer. Look at all the fines recently issued on renewals for public file violations by stations, both large and small, and there will be more to come. The question was posed in all honesty, to get a response from station staff which has posted on these boards. You answered, all was in order. Fine. Not a problem if you had not gone on to question either my or Techie2's motives, and make veiled and direct accusations. I pretty much don't care if WMWX does well or goes dark. If you read my previous post, I offered information based on my incorrect conclusion you had a direct interest in the station as a staff member or volunteer. The FCC does not care if you did it by accident if you break the rules. I was hoping that the information would be useful. Evidently, you disagree. '73 on this thread.

 

[WestsideBulldog]

You have been pointing the finger at WMWX without knowing the actual facts. Frankly its none of your business in my opinion. They (WMWX) have when asked have stated they have a paid attourney, engineers ect. who do know the facts of whats going on. I have asked (WMWX) and have gotten a very clear answer to your finger pointings. Your help is not asked for to point out your so called "FACTS" to others in the industry which simply imply wrong doing which is not the case at all. You have stated they (WMWX) have set-out to break the rules and in fact they have not. That is being an A$$ in your own indusrty to try and turn on your own radio enthusiests. It does not make sence. You contridict yourself.....your saying your helping by publicly pointing the finger at them and not bing accurate? That is why its the wrong platform at anytime. Maybe by picking up the phone and having a private conversation with them or email them directly instead of a public forum would have been a better choice. I have done my homework on this and you are just wrong......sorry.

Let's Consider the Facts, as they are in agreement with the FCC. Fact: WMWX completed their construction as specified in their permit. Fact: WMWX conducted equipment tests and received the required materials to file an application for license and program test authority. Fact: WMWX went on the air on or about August 5th. Fact: WMWX mailed a letter to Commission containing the materials necessary to be filed with their application for license and permission to conduct program tests. No application was filed (this is visible from the FCC website). The date this was mailed August 10th, according to a handwritten notation on a letter in their application filed on August 18th. Fact: WMWX filed their license application on August 18th, and request for program test authority.
This is public legal record, on file at the FCC and in view by all, as filed and attested by the licensee. Thus, your assertion that all was done correctly is just not true. Was it intentional? I would surely believe it was not, as I mentioned previously that even experienced GMs make mistakes, even with attorneys and engineers on retainer. Look at all the fines recently issued on renewals for public file violations by stations, both large and small, and there will be more to come. The question was posed in all honesty, to get a response from station staff which has posted on these boards. You answered, all was in order. Fine. Not a problem if you had not gone on to question either my or Techie2's motives, and make veiled and direct accusations. I pretty much don't care if WMWX does well or goes dark. If you read my previous post, I offered information based on my incorrect conclusion you had a direct interest in the station as a staff member or volunteer. The FCC does not care if you did it by accident if you break the rules. I was hoping that the information would be useful. Evidently, you disagree. '73 on this thread.

BIGGEST FACT - Your dates again are not 100% accurate. I don't care what it shows right now. ASK. I have seen may dates change or be not to be accurrate in the past. Do you know what it means. I do. Your wrong plain and simple. Your items were not posted in all honesty as you state. But to cause problems and to dis WMWX. Very poor business and hope others you do business with see your tactics in the future. How pitiful. To take stabs at other stations is just wrong and cold hearted. I'm sure others reading this hope you do disapear also hence your last post. 73's back? I don't think so that would be a disgrace to others out there who are not turncoats in the radio. If you are also an engineer or in the business this is a shame and a disgrace beyond compare. You never did state why any of this bothers you after being asked repeatedly which is a tell all IMHO. If you truly wanted to help you would have picked up the phone or emailed the station instead of taking a BS stance on a thread about the stations format. How classless. Good day Sir!

 

[radiomike]

BIGGEST FACT - Your dates again are not 100% accurate. I don't care what it shows right now. ASK. I have seen may dates change or be not to be accurrate in the past. Do you know what it means. I do. Your wrong plain and simple. Your items were not posted in all honesty as you state. But to cause problems and to dis WMWX. Very poor business and hope others you do business with see your tactics in the future. How pitiful. To take stabs at other stations is just wrong and cold hearted. I'm sure others reading this hope you do disapear also hence your last post. 73's back? I don't think so that would be a disgrace to others out there who are not turncoats in the radio. If you are also an engineer or in the business this is a shame and a disgrace beyond compare. If you truly wanted to help you would have picked up the phone or emailed the station instead of taking a BS stance on a thread about the stations format. How classless. Good day Sir!

You have not stated any facts. Just heresay or the statement that THEY told me you were wrong. It is pretty incriminating when the licensee in their application shows they mailed a letter to the FCC at least 5 days AFTER they went on the air, and filed the required paperwork in order to GET PERMISSION, 13 days later. So, if this is not true, and the dates are not correct, then did the applicant state the wrong dates and facts in an FCC filing? You make no sense. If you are so thin skinned, that someone can pose a question, and respond back with logical information, then I pity you. At least I have not resorted to name calling or foul language. Of course, the latter would not be FCC legal!

 

[WestsideBulldog]

BIGGEST FACT - Your dates again are not 100% accurate. I don't care what it shows right now. ASK. I have seen may dates change or be not to be accurrate in the past. Do you know what it means. I do. Your wrong plain and simple. Your items were not posted in all honesty as you state. But to cause problems and to dis WMWX. Very poor business and hope others you do business with see your tactics in the future. How pitiful. To take stabs at other stations is just wrong and cold hearted. I'm sure others reading this hope you do disapear also hence your last post. 73's back? I don't think so that would be a disgrace to others out there who are not turncoats in the radio. If you are also an engineer or in the business this is a shame and a disgrace beyond compare. If you truly wanted to help you would have picked up the phone or emailed the station instead of taking a BS stance on a thread about the stations format. How classless. Good day Sir!

You have not stated any facts. Just heresay or the statement that THEY told me you were wrong. It is pretty incriminating when the licensee in their application shows they mailed a letter to the FCC at least 5 days AFTER they went on the air, and filed the required paperwork in order to GET PERMISSION, 13 days later. So, if this is not true, and the dates are not correct, then did the applicant state the wrong dates and facts in an FCC filing? You make no sense. If you are so thin skinned, that someone can pose a question, and respond back with logical information, then I pity you. At least I have not resorted to name calling or foul language. Of course, the latter would not be FCC legal!

BTW - All my words have been FCC legal...(abreviations in text don't go across the airwaves)
Not thin skinned at all...
I make plenty of sense....many reading this have commented to me about it and agree with me 100%.
You use the words such as incriminating which states a "crime" has been committed and YOU are blowing the whistle. I called BS.
It is not YOUR JOB TO DO SUCH A THING unless you have a motive and you state you didn't have one just wanting to help the poor ignorant WMWX staffers, right. Engineers don't do that to others in public.
Again not all of your facts are accuarate and I'm not saying mine are 100% either. I'm simply stating for the upteenth time, you have done wrong to another station by pointing out such matters in a public forum and continue to do it in a personal manner. Is that crystal clear enough for you?

 

[RadioStarOne]

Why don't you two wonderfully inclined guys just settle down already??????? Get over it!

 

[Toddy-0]

Jeesh. We're talking about a non-profit fm, not a 50,000 watt commercial flame thrower. Give it a rest.

Where are you people when other stations have issues, like WAIF's ownership faux pauxs, WCIN's problems, etc.???

Making a lot of dirt out of nothin'.

 

[WestsideBulldog]

Jeesh. We're talking about a non-profit fm, not a 50,000 watt commercial flame thrower. Give it a rest.

Where are you people when other stations have issues, like WAIF's ownership faux pauxs, WCIN's problems, etc.???

Making a lot of dirt out of nothin'.

Agree 100%. That has been my point since the begining but someone wants to tear down a poor non-comm.

 

[WestsideBulldog]

You have been pointing the finger at WMWX without knowing the actual facts. Frankly its none of your business in my opinion. They (WMWX) have when asked have stated they have a paid attourney, engineers ect. who do know the facts of whats going on. I have asked (WMWX) and have gotten a very clear answer to your finger pointings. Your help is not asked for to point out your so called "FACTS" to others in the industry which simply imply wrong doing which is not the case at all. You have stated they (WMWX) have set-out to break the rules and in fact they have not. That is being an A$$ in your own indusrty to try and turn on your own radio enthusiests. It does not make sence. You contridict yourself.....your saying your helping by publicly pointing the finger at them and not bing accurate? That is why its the wrong platform at anytime. Maybe by picking up the phone and having a private conversation with them or email them directly instead of a public forum would have been a better choice. I have done my homework on this and you are just wrong......sorry.

Let's Consider the Facts, as they are in agreement with the FCC. Fact: WMWX completed their construction as specified in their permit. Fact: WMWX conducted equipment tests and received the required materials to file an application for license and program test authority. Fact: WMWX went on the air on or about August 5th. Fact: WMWX mailed a letter to Commission containing the materials necessary to be filed with their application for license and permission to conduct program tests. No application was filed (this is visible from the FCC website). The date this was mailed August 10th, according to a handwritten notation on a letter in their application filed on August 18th. Fact: WMWX filed their license application on August 18th, and request for program test authority.
This is public legal record, on file at the FCC and in view by all, as filed and attested by the licensee. Thus, your assertion that all was done correctly is just not true. Was it intentional? I would surely believe it was not, as I mentioned previously that even experienced GMs make mistakes, even with attorneys and engineers on retainer. Look at all the fines recently issued on renewals for public file violations by stations, both large and small, and there will be more to come. The question was posed in all honesty, to get a response from station staff which has posted on these boards. You answered, all was in order. Fine. Not a problem if you had not gone on to question either my or Techie2's motives, and make veiled and direct accusations. I pretty much don't care if WMWX does well or goes dark. If you read my previous post, I offered information based on my incorrect conclusion you had a direct interest in the station as a staff member or volunteer. The FCC does not care if you did it by accident if you break the rules. I was hoping that the information would be useful. Evidently, you disagree. '73 on this thread.

WE GOT TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS ISSUE>>>

According to the conversations with the FCC this morning MIKE IS NOT CORRECT. The "Facts" Mike has been posting are very misleading and not accurate and meaningful data has been left out. ALL information has been confirmed and asked of the FCC office and WMWX is 100% leagally on the air. This draws to the conclusion that there IS an effort to shed bad light onto a poor new little non-comm by someone who has a motive to make the station look bad. Mike has stated he does not have a motive but he has clearly continued to spew ill will toward this new non-comm by stating they are on the air illeagaly. Simply NOT true at all according to the FCC itself. Again I ask why and who is behind this ill will should be ashamed.

So now after confirming with the FCC the WMWX is leageally on the air everyone should be happy to support the new station. As everyone knows its not an easy job in such a hugh market place. Like I said from the begining its not hard to pick up a phone and ask questions from those who have the answers.

 

[radiomike]

I will agree with you on one thing: A phone call will clear things up. In this case, it clears up the fact that you are not correct. I called the FCC, spoke to an engineer, and she cited the following information that applies to ClassX:

Sec. 73.1620 Program tests.

(a) Upon completion of construction of an AM, FM, TV or Class A TV
station in accordance with the terms of the construction permit, the
technical provisions of the application, the rules and regulations and
the applicable engineering standards, program tests may be conducted in
accordance with the following:

(2) The permittee of an FM station with a directional antenna system
must file an application for license on FCC Form 302-FM requesting
authority to commence program test operations at full power with the FCC
in Washington, D.C. This license application must be filed at least 10
days prior to the date on which full power operations are desired to
commence. The application for license must contain any exhibits called
for by conditions on the construction permit. The staff will review the
license application and the request for program test authority and issue
a letter notifying the applicant whether full power operation has been
approved. Upon filing of the license application and related exhibits,
and while awaiting approval of full power operation, the FM permittee
may operate the directional antenna at one half (50%) of the authorized
effective radiated power.

So, as of Friday, August 18, Class X has program test authority to operate at half power, while they await FCC approval for full power operation. This is the date they filed their 302 form and requested program test authority. Prior to this, they did not have program test authority, and thus were violating the terms of their CP. The engineer confirmed this. So, as of now, if they are operating at 50% power, they are legal. Will anything happen? Likely not. However, it does show the need to make sure that you not only know the rules, that you follow them, especially in today's fine happy enviornment.

 

[radiomike]

Why don't you two wonderfully inclined guys just settle down already??????? Get over it!

I have no issue with this and I was ready to do so. But when mud is slung and accusations made, one is inclined to defend their position. However, there comes a point when it is enough, and I am pretty much done trying to do something useful. I had another question, but heaven forbid I question anything about this start up.

 

[WestsideBulldog]

I will agree with you on one thing: A phone call will clear things up. In this case, it clears up the fact that you are not correct. I called the FCC, spoke to an engineer, and she cited the following information that applies to ClassX:

Sec. 73.1620 Program tests.

(a) Upon completion of construction of an AM, FM, TV or Class A TV
station in accordance with the terms of the construction permit, the
technical provisions of the application, the rules and regulations and
the applicable engineering standards, program tests may be conducted in
accordance with the following:

(2) The permittee of an FM station with a directional antenna system
must file an application for license on FCC Form 302-FM requesting
authority to commence program test operations at full power with the FCC
in Washington, D.C. This license application must be filed at least 10
days prior to the date on which full power operations are desired to
commence. The application for license must contain any exhibits called
for by conditions on the construction permit. The staff will review the
license application and the request for program test authority and issue
a letter notifying the applicant whether full power operation has been
approved. Upon filing of the license application and related exhibits,
and while awaiting approval of full power operation, the FM permittee
may operate the directional antenna at one half (50%) of the authorized
effective radiated power.

So, as of Friday, August 18, Class X has program test authority to operate at half power, while they await FCC approval for full power operation. This is the date they filed their 302 form and requested program test authority. Prior to this, they did not have program test authority, and thus were violating the terms of their CP. The engineer confirmed this. So, as of now, if they are operating at 50% power, they are legal. Will anything happen? Likely not. However, it does show the need to make sure that you not only know the rules, that you follow them, especially in today's fine happy enviornment.

SO you admitted you were wrong to accuse them of wrong doing! Finaly Thats it. Over Done. You condtidict youself saying we are wrong and then post facts we are correct. They have been following the rules. Since the 302 was submitted they could be on the air 1/2 power and before you said not at all. Bottom line no on asked for your help and to find out your help was not accurate and wrong.
WHAT AN EGO! Gees
Call the freaking station if you have questions 513-898-1574.

 

[radiomike]

SO you admitted you were wrong to accuse them of wrong doing! Finaly Thats it. Over Done. You condtidict youself saying we are wrong and then post facts we are correct. They have been following the rules. Since the 302 was submitted they could be on the air 1/2 power and before you said not at all. Bottom line no on asked for your help and to find out your help was not accurate and wrong.
WHAT AN EGO! Gees
Call the freaking station if you have questions 513-898-1574.

Re-read the posts. They did things wrong. From August 5th to August 18th, they were not in compliance. Thus, everything I posted is 100% accurate, including the fact that as long as they are at 50% power, they are legal as of last FRIDAY, not before that date. And I stated they could not be on the air prior to filing for program test authority. That is what the rules state. They did not file until last Friday, so they should not have been on the air until last Friday, at ANY power level. Please check your misinformation, before calling people names. Check out 73.1125 while you are at it.

 

[WestsideBulldog]

SO you admitted you were wrong to accuse them of wrong doing! Finaly Thats it. Over Done. You condtidict youself saying we are wrong and then post facts we are correct. They have been following the rules. Since the 302 was submitted they could be on the air 1/2 power and before you said not at all. Bottom line no on asked for your help and to find out your help was not accurate and wrong.
WHAT AN EGO! Gees
Call the freaking station if you have questions 513-898-1574.

Re-read the posts. They did things wrong. From August 5th to August 18th, they were not in compliance. Thus, everything I posted is 100% accurate, including the fact that as long as they are at 50% power, they are legal as of last FRIDAY, not before that date. And I stated they could not be on the air prior to filing for program test authority. That is what the rules state. They did not file until last Friday, so they should not have been on the air until last Friday, at ANY power level. Please check your misinformation, before calling people names. Check out 73.1125 while you are at it.

No Mike I'm done. I know the who what when and hows and thats good enough for me. You aparrently want to slander and kill the station.

 

[radiomike]

[No Mike I'm done. I know the who what when and hows and thats good enough for me. You aparrently want to kill the station.

Actually, I want them to NOT get in trouble. That is the whole point of giving information out in the first place. They have some things they really need to fix, including staffing a main studio during normal business hours, if what they filed with the Commission is accurate. I sent them an email on it after reading the application. So, I am trying to help. Just because you don't agree that it is help is irrelevant.

 

[Arbitorn]

Will someone kindly bury this horse?

 

[gr8oldies]

I dunno..a major sale in town and all we can talk about is an LPFM. Not that I don't wish them all the best.

 

[SkyWolf]

I think the new Full Power station-ClassX is a nice change. Maybe they'll take radio back to the way it use to be. Helping FCC? Want a job? Don't think they need outsiders help or confusion. Once again this board is worse than a woman's hair salon. Some men need to grow up & mind their own business because it just sounds like someone is jealous or a bitter engineer or something. Mike, if I were you I'd be shaking in my shoes, I've seen people get sued for a lot less than what you've said & accused.
I look forward to some more positive comments on the station - I love it! It's the best station in this area in 20 yrs & they by far have the best website of All radio. I for one am a big fan. You Go CLASSX!

 

[radiomike]

Sorry, I'm done. The FCC website has the information I stated. As I have stated before, I have no ill will for the station, and hope it succeeds. Glad someone else corrected the fact the station is not LPFM, but a Class at at 4.6KW directional.

 

[WestsideBulldog]

I think the new Full Power station-ClassX is a nice change. Maybe they'll take radio back to the way it use to be. Helping FCC? Want a job? Don't think they need outsiders help or confusion. Once again this board is worse than a woman's hair salon. Some men need to grow up & mind their own business because it just sounds like someone is jealous or a bitter engineer or something. Mike, if I were you I'd be shaking in my shoes, I've seen people get sued for a lot less than what you've said & accused.
I look forward to some more positive comments on the station - I love it! It's the best station in this area in 20 yrs & they by far have the best website of All radio. I for one am a big fan. You Go CLASSX!

Not only is has Mike been slandering WMWX here but also on other web sites. What a shame. Jealousy gets you no where.