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When you do a radio station promotion, it's your responsibility to do the due diligence to reasonably assure that no one could be hurt. Water intoxication is a well known phenomenon, and it should have been known to the station that put the promotion on. The woman that died may not have known about this, and was just trying to be a participant in what she thought would be a "fun" event. I've had to go to corporate lawyer level to get stupid promotions ideas stopped because they contained an inherent level of danger to the public. Everyone from the GM down to the promotions assistant and the morning show air staff should be held liable in this wrongful death.

I heard the broadcast. They were warned of the danger by a nurse that called in, but they should have known the danger before they did the promotion!

That doesn't mean I think this guy should never work again. I assure you, he's been dealt with for his level of participation and will have to live with it for the rest of his life.
 
It's a little surprising that a number of people here seem to be automatically jumping to the defense of this guy.

Is it because in some strange, karmic way, you are subconsciously "paying it forward" in case you too should inadvertently do something foolish and suffer a similar fate? Kind of like giving a wino $5, rationally knowing it will go straight to his liver and perhaps trim a few months off his life, but dang it, "I could be homeless one day myself..."

Wake up and think again.

Remember: These jocks conceived, mulled over, and delivered a promotion with MEDICAL implications.

But, you say..."It was her choice. She chose to do it."

Not so fast. Perhaps she was:

Mentally retarded...slow...overcome by pressure to give her children a Christmas she couldn't otherwise provide them...caught in the heat of the moment, and aggressively prodded along by some jocks who weren't under the same pressure? Jocks that, being in their own element, should have had more clarity of mind.

One thing is certain: she didn't have as much time to assess the risks or think about it as the air staff did.

The "individual responsibility" defense doesn't absolve you from your own responsibility not to encourage or contribute to the harm or death of others. This was simply so egregious, it should never have gotten out of the gate.

Therein lies the problem, and the blame.
 
To be completely honest, I could care less what this guy did.. I have never heard his show and prolly never will.. I don't listen to the station but thats besides the point... I don't own or have stock in the company or advertise there..If he could entertain me , all is good... anything else is between him, his lawyers, his employer, police and the lady's family....I stay out of other peoples business, tending mine is more than want to do most days
 
This is obviously a question in which everybody feels they have the right answer (if they care at all)
While the woman may not have been retarded, she also probably hadn't applied for a Mensa membership.
Personally, while I couldn't convince myself to hold the jocks blameless in the end...untimately SHE chose to drink the water and not pee.

Can we hold the crowd on the ground level guilty of murder for hollering "jump" to the disturbed individual on the ledge-if he jumps? I don't think so.

Were they morally right to yell jump? No (in my opinion.)
Are they guilty of murder to some degree? No
Do they shoulder SOME responsibility? Maybe...but the guy might have had his mind made up to jump well before he climbed out on that ledge.
The answer went "splat" with the jumper, didn't it?
 
And...by the way...I'm not coming to this guy's defense in any way.
I don't know him. I won't hear him. I've never heard him. And, like a previous poster...do not care about him.
I'm simply talking about the situation.
 
Meepster said:
This is obviously a question in which everybody feels they have the right answer (if they care at all)
While the woman may not have been retarded, she also probably hadn't applied for a Mensa membership.
Personally, while I couldn't convince myself to hold the jocks blameless in the end...untimately SHE chose to drink the water and not pee.

Can we hold the crowd on the ground level guilty of murder for hollering "jump" to the disturbed individual on the ledge-if he jumps? I don't think so.

Were they morally right to yell jump? No (in my opinion.)
Are they guilty of murder to some degree? No
Do they shoulder SOME responsibility? Maybe...but the guy might have had his mind made up to jump well before he climbed out on that ledge.
The answer went "splat" with the jumper, didn't it?
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Come on Meep. Doesn't even come close to comparing. When a broadcast licensee sanctions a contest/promotion, they are in many ways putting their license on the line. Said licensee must do everything possible to assure no harm will come to the contest participants. It's pretty safe to take the tenth caller for a pair of tickets, but if you use your RDS to broadcast that the next ten people that arrive at the studio will win a pair of tickets and someone has a wreck racing to win, you've crossed the line in at least two ways. You've just conducted a lottery, and you're party to someone driving recklessly and causing an accident. You could expect a call from Mr. Trotz at best.

Yelling for someone to jump while morally reprehensible is not illegal to my knowledge, nor could an individual likely be held responsible for that in most situations, unless of course it was a depressed husband of a divorce who lost visitation with his kids and was forced to pay more support than he could afford and the person yelling for him to jump is the ex-wife. She might have a problem. We'll leave that one to D.E. and "hang 'em high" Jack McCoy.

I've never listened to the fellow under this current discussion and most likely never will either, but he, his morning show, the promotions department of the station, and everyone up the chain that knew about this promotion and didn't stop it are responsible for her death. It certainly wasn't intentional, just stupid, but you also get punished if you run a red light, t-bone someone and they get hurt or die. You didn't mean to do it, but you caused it and you're going to get smacked for it. It was not the woman's fault, nor should her intelligence be brought into question.
 
Seems a lot the same to me, Radeo...and the lady's intelligence absolutely MUST be brought into this.
Infact, if this were in court, it would most certainly come up. (unless the defense attorney was an idiot himself)
Now she didn't kill herself on purpose, but it's plain ignorant to treat the jock(s) as if they'd pulled a trigger and killed her.
You're a democrat, aren't you?
That's just a guess.
We'll have to agree to disagree.
While the station or jock(s) certainly hold responsibility in this case...wanting to hang the guys for murder, basically, is nothing short of a mob mentality.
 
Meepster said:
Seems a lot the same to me, Radeo...and the lady's intelligence absolutely MUST be brought into this.
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Then that would have to be the case for all the participants, including the station employees, which is fine if you want go down that road.

Meepster said:
Infact, if this were in court, it would most certainly come up. (unless the defense attorney was an idiot himself)
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I can't speak to that. I'm not a lawyer and I don't play one on TV.

Meepster said:
Now she didn't kill herself on purpose, but it's plain ignorant to treat the jock(s) as if they'd pulled a trigger and killed her.
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I'm not and haven't. I'm just saying the contest and the execution was not advisable.

Meepster said:
You're a democrat, aren't you?
That's just a guess.
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What does that have to do with anything?

Meepster said:
We'll have to agree to disagree.
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Sure. That's fine with me.

Meepster said:
While the station or jock(s) certainly hold responsibility in this case...wanting to hang the guys for murder, basically, is nothing short of a mob mentality.
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I posted earlier the guy deserves to continue to work where he can find it. I don't subscribe to mob mentality, I think for myself.
 
Meepster said:
Can we hold the crowd on the ground level guilty of murder for hollering "jump" to the disturbed individual on the ledge-if he jumps? I don't think so.

Do they shoulder SOME responsibility? Maybe...but the guy might have had his mind made up to jump well before he climbed out on that ledge.

The answer went "splat" with the jumper, didn't it?
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Not for murder, but under some circumstances the people on the ground can be held criminally liable.
 
I want to thank everyone who has read and contributed to this thread and exposing Steve Maney for the criminal he is. You have made this one of the most popular thread this board has seen in MONTHS. Again, my thanks, and let's keep putting pressure on Flinn to can this guy.
 
goatboy said:
exposing Steve Maney for the criminal he is...
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OK. There is no one -- and I mean NO ONE -- who is more critical of what happened at Entercom/Sacramento than me. It was a total and shameful C.F. But...

Steve Maney is NOT a criminal. That's a legal conclusion -- one that is left to a jury to make after proper Due Process in criminal courts. Whether or not you agree, the DA in California passed on indicting Mr. Maney, and the other idiots surrounding him. So, to call him a criminal is not just incorrect; it is potentially problematic.

I have little doubt that this case will be settled to a substantial sum. Let's let the lawyers do their jobs, and turn down the rhetoric before more trouble arises.

DE
 
Goat, what DE is trying to say delicately is that you may have just libeled the guy...which may be not only "problematic" for you but is not too bright, either.
 
Oh, HEAVEN FORBID! I would hate to do anything negative to the great Steve Maney. He is the real victim in all this, you know.
 
No, I wouldn't call him a victim. However, he might be called a plaintiff soon should you insist on continuing this line of posting...
 
goatboy said:
Oh, HEAVEN FORBID! I would hate to do anything negative to the great Steve Maney. He is the real victim in all this, you know.
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Actually, I think the real victim here ... is you. You are screaming 'bloody murder' at this man and are persuant with such a fervor that it begs the question -- What is YOUR part in all this?

I'll admit I've been flippant on this board and in this tread - but your comments border upon frenzy. Almost like you have an agenda that you must persue.
 
Oh and I also should note that someone has been emailing clients of Q107.5, and telling them of what has happened in Mr. Maney's past in California. Now this is the kind of thing a zelot would do, and only one person has been acting that way lately.

Can't prove anything, but it does seem .... suspicious.
 
That's nothing new......advertisers got all kinds of e-mails and phone calls when 680 started airing Air America. Some advertisers actually bowed to the pressure and pulled their advertising. That's the "free market" at work ladies and gentlemen.
 
Could be that they pulled their advertising because...

NOBODY WAS LISTENING TO "AIR AMERICA!"

:D
 
Meepster said:
Could be that they pulled their advertising because...

NOBODY WAS LISTENING TO "AIR AMERICA!"

:D
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Well, if no one was listening, how would anyone know which advertisers to contact?

HMMM....

and, again, thanks for making this the most active thread this board has seen this year. steve maney needs to pay for his role in the death of jennifer strange (is that legal enough fer ya, perry mason?)
 
goatboy said:
Well, if no one was listening, how would anyone know which advertisers to contact?

HMMM....
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Umm, because they were GIVING away spots on 680 if you bought WRVR / 94.1?

Too bad there’s not a “disgruntled employee / ex-employee / rejected applicant” section for goatboy and his ilk on Radio-info. Moderators, how about it?
 
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