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Re: David G. Hall at KCBS

I don't understand the Hall bashing. He built KFI, and
he has updated the News format in a time when there are
so many alternatives to all news-radio.


> > > Does this mean David G. Hall's mitts are off KCBS?
> > >
> > > And if that is so, that is good news.
> >
> >
> > What was Hall's role at KCBS? I thought he was only
> > responsible for having turned KNX/1070 from a great news
> > station into an unlistenable mess.
>
> Funny, KNX has made some significant gains in the ratings,
> especially in younger demos. I find it more listenable than
> before... which means I did not listen previously and now it
> is my preferred news and traffic station.
>
> Caveat: it absolutely tanked in 25-54 in February, with the
> month well below a 1 share in this demo.
>
 
Re: David G. Hall at KCBS

> I don't understand the Hall bashing. He built KFI, and
> he has updated the News format in a time when there are
> so many alternatives to all news-radio.


Did you listen to KNX before it went through the Hallification process? I've been listening to it on a regular basis for thirty years, and the changes turned it into a bland news/talk hybrid that make it a perfect fit for Topeka, Charleston, Duluth or Boise ... which, I guess, is what radio listeners want these days, and which explains why so many San Francisco stations also sound so generic and gutless.

KNX was a great radio station in a great radio city. It sounded important. It sounded dynamic. Now it sounds like "The Voice Of Provo."

> He built KFI...

Knowing the history of KFI, that makes me smile broadly. And shake my head. Of all the things David G. Hall may have done in his career, "building" KFI ain't one of them.

I still haven't had an answer to my original question: what was David G. Hall doing at KCBS/740? Or was someone confused?

D.J.
 
Re: David G. Hall at KCBS

> > I only know about KFI's success from items I read in laradio.com, and I haven't heard KNX for more than a few minutes in years, so I have no strong opinion about David G. Hall. But LA's news stations (KNX and KFWB) have been losing audience share for years. San Francisco is a much different market...it seems like the radio audience here is much more concerned about news and information than LA. I suspect KCBS's big competion here, other than KGO, is NPR and KQED. The one time KCBS tried to encroach on KGO's territory was in the mid-80s when they tried night-time talk shows with Art Finley and Ruby Peterson. Both hosts were good, but that "news and more on 74" format went nowhere, and their ratings dropped. I would imagine that any PD installed at KCBS these days would be given strict order to NOT fix what ain't broke.

I do remember Hall's story about firing ex-L.A. police chief Daryl Gates (of Rodney King era infamy) from KFI some years ago. Gates told Hall to watch his back. The inference being that Gates would somehow get revenge for the firing.

I don't understand the Hall bashing. He built KFI, and
> > he has updated the News format in a time when there are
> > so many alternatives to all news-radio.
>
>
> Did you listen to KNX before it went through the
> Hallification process? I've been listening to it on a
> regular basis for thirty years, and the changes turned it
> into a bland news/talk hybrid that make it a perfect fit for
> Topeka, Charleston, Duluth or Boise ... which, I guess, is
> what radio listeners want these days, and which explains why
> so many San Francisco stations also sound so generic and
> gutless.
>
> KNX was a great radio station in a great radio city. It
> sounded important. It sounded dynamic. Now it sounds like
> "The Voice Of Provo."
>
> > He built KFI...
>
> Knowing the history of KFI, that makes me smile broadly. And
> shake my head. Of all the things David G. Hall may have done
> in his career, "building" KFI ain't one of them.
>
> I still haven't had an answer to my original question: what
> was David G. Hall doing at KCBS/740? Or was someone
> confused?
>
> D.J.
>
 
Re: David G. Hall at KCBS

I worked in LA in the late 80's & early 90's, Hall developed
that station from a 2 share also ran, to the leading N/T in
the country. He inherited Rush, but Hall personally coached
& developed people like Bill Handel, Dr Laura, John & Ken, as
well as Phil Hendrie. He by the way Hall was consulting KCBS.
Just wondering, where do you get all this expertise on News
& Talk radio?. You might focus on your KFRC and KYA nostalgia
instead.



> > I don't understand the Hall bashing. He built KFI, and
> > he has updated the News format in a time when there are
> > so many alternatives to all news-radio.
>
>
> Did you listen to KNX before it went through the
> Hallification process? I've been listening to it on a
> regular basis for thirty years, and the changes turned it
> into a bland news/talk hybrid that make it a perfect fit for
> Topeka, Charleston, Duluth or Boise ... which, I guess, is
> what radio listeners want these days, and which explains why
> so many San Francisco stations also sound so generic and
> gutless.
>
> KNX was a great radio station in a great radio city. It
> sounded important. It sounded dynamic. Now it sounds like
> "The Voice Of Provo."
>
> > He built KFI...
>
> Knowing the history of KFI, that makes me smile broadly. And
> shake my head. Of all the things David G. Hall may have done
> in his career, "building" KFI ain't one of them.
>
> I still haven't had an answer to my original question: what
> was David G. Hall doing at KCBS/740? Or was someone
> confused?
>
> D.J.
>
 
Re: David G. Hall at KCBS

Personally coached?" Get real. I, indeed, have heard Hall characterized both as a genius and the luckiest man on the face of the earth. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.

I've "personally" coached talent that did go on to success...But, they were going to be successful anyway...whether I was there or not. Real talent is real talent.

KNX was in the crapper long before Hall got there. As for KFI, a lot of what he did was create a kick ass news department. And people relly want to work for him. Hall is no visionary...but, he's no idiot either (see bob agnew.)

While the changes made to KCBS may not all be good, at least it's DIRECTION.
Management there has been stuck in the mud for over a decade. But, it makes a shitload of money anyway. And it's still the radio station that people turn to when they need to know.

Yes, radio is fairly boring these days...But, you can't really say it's what 'listeners want'. Radio is a passive medium...While research is a great tool, it doesn't really measure the passion of the listeners...What would really make them WANT to tune in day after day...which, in the end, is really what makes a station great. A shared passion between the listener and the station is keeps the great ones great.

But, the corporate world of radio will continue on its merry way...looking for larger profit margins and minimizing talent (local or otherwise) in the studio. And, when the CEO's and 8 million radio VPs finally kill it off , they'll walk away from the burning wreckage of what used to be a real form of communication. Satellite radio will continue to grow, along with I-pod use and other aural gadgets.

Anyway, David G. Hall (what is WITH that 'g' thing) is just another older PD in today's world, whose biggest successes are a decade behind.

Man, I'm in a mood...




> I worked in LA in the late 80's & early 90's, Hall developed
>
> that station from a 2 share also ran, to the leading N/T in
> the country. He inherited Rush, but Hall personally coached
> & developed people like Bill Handel, Dr Laura, John & Ken,
> as
> well as Phil Hendrie. He by the way Hall was consulting
> KCBS.
> Just wondering, where do you get all this expertise on News
> & Talk radio?. You might focus on your KFRC and KYA
> nostalgia
> instead.
>
>
>
> > > I don't understand the Hall bashing. He built KFI, and
> > > he has updated the News format in a time when there are
> > > so many alternatives to all news-radio.
> >
> >
> > Did you listen to KNX before it went through the
> > Hallification process? I've been listening to it on a
> > regular basis for thirty years, and the changes turned it
> > into a bland news/talk hybrid that make it a perfect fit
> for
> > Topeka, Charleston, Duluth or Boise ... which, I guess, is
>
> > what radio listeners want these days, and which explains
> why
> > so many San Francisco stations also sound so generic and
> > gutless.
> >
> > KNX was a great radio station in a great radio city. It
> > sounded important. It sounded dynamic. Now it sounds like
> > "The Voice Of Provo."
> >
> > > He built KFI...
> >
> > Knowing the history of KFI, that makes me smile broadly.
> And
> > shake my head. Of all the things David G. Hall may have
> done
> > in his career, "building" KFI ain't one of them.
> >
> > I still haven't had an answer to my original question:
> what
> > was David G. Hall doing at KCBS/740? Or was someone
> > confused?
> >
> > D.J.
> >
>
 
Re: David G. Hall at KCBS

I'm real impressed with you vernacular, and what a glib dude, laying
it all out like an I Pod version of Marshall McLuhan. The fact is he
was the guy in the driver's seat at KFI, whether you like it or not
he built a weekend host into the #1 English speaking morning talent.
Is he a genuis or a visionary, nope. Didn't say he was. My guess is
Hall is younger than you, don't try to paint him like some old dude,
you know better than that. I don't see quite as bleak a version of
the future in this business as you do either.




> Personally coached?" Get real. I, indeed, have heard Hall
> characterized both as a genius and the luckiest man on the
> face of the earth. The truth probably lies somewhere in the
> middle.
>
> I've "personally" coached talent that did go on to
> success...But, they were going to be successful
> anyway...whether I was there or not. Real talent is real
> talent.
>
> KNX was in the crapper long before Hall got there. As for
> KFI, a lot of what he did was create a kick ass news
> department. And people relly want to work for him. Hall is
> no visionary...but, he's no idiot either (see bob agnew.)
>
> While the changes made to KCBS may not all be good, at least
> it's DIRECTION.
> Management there has been stuck in the mud for over a
> decade. But, it makes a shitload of money anyway. And it's
> still the radio station that people turn to when they need
> to know.
>
> Yes, radio is fairly boring these days...But, you can't
> really say it's what 'listeners want'. Radio is a passive
> medium...While research is a great tool, it doesn't really
> measure the passion of the listeners...What would really
> make them WANT to tune in day after day...which, in the end,
> is really what makes a station great. A shared passion
> between the listener and the station is keeps the great ones
> great.
>
> But, the corporate world of radio will continue on its merry
> way...looking for larger profit margins and minimizing
> talent (local or otherwise) in the studio. And, when the
> CEO's and 8 million radio VPs finally kill it off , they'll
> walk away from the burning wreckage of what used to be a
> real form of communication. Satellite radio will continue to
> grow, along with I-pod use and other aural gadgets.
>
> Anyway, David G. Hall (what is WITH that 'g' thing) is just
> another older PD in today's world, whose biggest successes
> are a decade behind.
>
> Man, I'm in a mood...
>
>
>
>
> > I worked in LA in the late 80's & early 90's, Hall
> developed
> >
> > that station from a 2 share also ran, to the leading N/T
> in
> > the country. He inherited Rush, but Hall personally
> coached
> > & developed people like Bill Handel, Dr Laura, John & Ken,
>
> > as
> > well as Phil Hendrie. He by the way Hall was consulting
> > KCBS.
> > Just wondering, where do you get all this expertise on
> News
> > & Talk radio?. You might focus on your KFRC and KYA
> > nostalgia
> > instead.
> >
> >
> >
> > > > I don't understand the Hall bashing. He built KFI, and
>
> > > > he has updated the News format in a time when there
> are
> > > > so many alternatives to all news-radio.
> > >
> > >
> > > Did you listen to KNX before it went through the
> > > Hallification process? I've been listening to it on a
> > > regular basis for thirty years, and the changes turned
> it
> > > into a bland news/talk hybrid that make it a perfect fit
>
> > for
> > > Topeka, Charleston, Duluth or Boise ... which, I guess,
> is
> >
> > > what radio listeners want these days, and which explains
>
> > why
> > > so many San Francisco stations also sound so generic and
>
> > > gutless.
> > >
> > > KNX was a great radio station in a great radio city. It
> > > sounded important. It sounded dynamic. Now it sounds
> like
> > > "The Voice Of Provo."
> > >
> > > > He built KFI...
> > >
> > > Knowing the history of KFI, that makes me smile broadly.
>
> > And
> > > shake my head. Of all the things David G. Hall may have
> > done
> > > in his career, "building" KFI ain't one of them.
> > >
> > > I still haven't had an answer to my original question:
> > what
> > > was David G. Hall doing at KCBS/740? Or was someone
> > > confused?
> > >
> > > D.J.
> > >
> >
>
 
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Post deleted by KMRichards
 
Re: David G. Hall at KCBS

Did you actually ready my post? You act as if I give Hall no credit. Not the case. I just don't give him all the love you do.

Again...He 'built' a weekend host into a morning show host? He did nothing of the kind. He may have encouraged and supported the person...But "built"? Did he assemble this person in a lab? Hall deserves credit for recognizing talent, but certainly not building it.

And, your "guess" is way incorrect. I wonder if you actually know how old David is. Because I do.

You're taking this very personally. I don't care one way or the other about David G Hall...Just stating my opinion about someone in my profession.

As for my 'bleakness'...I used to believe things would turn around. But, they won't. And radio, for talent and those who love talent, is 20 times worse than it was just 20 years ago.

Kids don't listen to the radio that much anymore. And when they grow up, they won't turn into the dedicated audiences that keep ratings up. Radio is losing market share left and right.




> I'm real impressed with you vernacular, and what a glib
> dude, laying
> it all out like an I Pod version of Marshall McLuhan. The
> fact is he
> was the guy in the driver's seat at KFI, whether you like it
> or not
> he built a weekend host into the #1 English speaking morning
> talent.
> Is he a genuis or a visionary, nope. Didn't say he was. My
> guess is
> Hall is younger than you, don't try to paint him like some
> old dude,
> you know better than that. I don't see quite as bleak a
> version of
> the future in this business as you do either.
>
>
>
>
> > Personally coached?" Get real. I, indeed, have heard Hall
>
> > characterized both as a genius and the luckiest man on the
>
> > face of the earth. The truth probably lies somewhere in
> the
> > middle.
> >
> > I've "personally" coached talent that did go on to
> > success...But, they were going to be successful
> > anyway...whether I was there or not. Real talent is real
> > talent.
> >
> > KNX was in the crapper long before Hall got there. As for
>
> > KFI, a lot of what he did was create a kick ass news
> > department. And people relly want to work for him. Hall
> is
> > no visionary...but, he's no idiot either (see bob agnew.)
> >
> > While the changes made to KCBS may not all be good, at
> least
> > it's DIRECTION.
> > Management there has been stuck in the mud for over a
> > decade. But, it makes a shitload of money anyway. And
> it's
> > still the radio station that people turn to when they need
>
> > to know.
> >
> > Yes, radio is fairly boring these days...But, you can't
> > really say it's what 'listeners want'. Radio is a passive
>
> > medium...While research is a great tool, it doesn't
> really
> > measure the passion of the listeners...What would really
> > make them WANT to tune in day after day...which, in the
> end,
> > is really what makes a station great. A shared passion
> > between the listener and the station is keeps the great
> ones
> > great.
> >
> > But, the corporate world of radio will continue on its
> merry
> > way...looking for larger profit margins and minimizing
> > talent (local or otherwise) in the studio. And, when the
> > CEO's and 8 million radio VPs finally kill it off ,
> they'll
> > walk away from the burning wreckage of what used to be a
> > real form of communication. Satellite radio will continue
> to
> > grow, along with I-pod use and other aural gadgets.
> >
> > Anyway, David G. Hall (what is WITH that 'g' thing) is
> just
> > another older PD in today's world, whose biggest successes
>
> > are a decade behind.
> >
> > Man, I'm in a mood...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > I worked in LA in the late 80's & early 90's, Hall
> > developed
> > >
> > > that station from a 2 share also ran, to the leading N/T
>
> > in
> > > the country. He inherited Rush, but Hall personally
> > coached
> > > & developed people like Bill Handel, Dr Laura, John &
> Ken,
> >
> > > as
> > > well as Phil Hendrie. He by the way Hall was consulting
> > > KCBS.
> > > Just wondering, where do you get all this expertise on
> > News
> > > & Talk radio?. You might focus on your KFRC and KYA
> > > nostalgia
> > > instead.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > I don't understand the Hall bashing. He built KFI,
> and
> >
> > > > > he has updated the News format in a time when there
> > are
> > > > > so many alternatives to all news-radio.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Did you listen to KNX before it went through the
> > > > Hallification process? I've been listening to it on a
> > > > regular basis for thirty years, and the changes turned
>
> > it
> > > > into a bland news/talk hybrid that make it a perfect
> fit
> >
> > > for
> > > > Topeka, Charleston, Duluth or Boise ... which, I
> guess,
> > is
> > >
> > > > what radio listeners want these days, and which
> explains
> >
> > > why
> > > > so many San Francisco stations also sound so generic
> and
> >
> > > > gutless.
> > > >
> > > > KNX was a great radio station in a great radio city.
> It
> > > > sounded important. It sounded dynamic. Now it sounds
> > like
> > > > "The Voice Of Provo."
> > > >
> > > > > He built KFI...
> > > >
> > > > Knowing the history of KFI, that makes me smile
> broadly.
> >
> > > And
> > > > shake my head. Of all the things David G. Hall may
> have
> > > done
> > > > in his career, "building" KFI ain't one of them.
> > > >
> > > > I still haven't had an answer to my original question:
>
> > > what
> > > > was David G. Hall doing at KCBS/740? Or was someone
> > > > confused?
> > > >
> > > > D.J.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
 
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Re: David G. Hall at KCBS

> Kids don't listen to the radio that much anymore.

92% of teens use radio weekly. Granted, they use it less, but trhere is just so much "other" technology to compete

> And when
> they grow up, they won't turn into the dedicated audiences
> that keep ratings up. Radio is losing market share left and
> right.

Incorrect. The loss from 1965 to today is less than 2%. Thanks for playing.

.
 
Re: David G. Hall at KCBS

He certainly created a platform where a green morning talent
could prosper. Recognizing talent, and nuturing talent are
two different things. Hell, I never said he was perfect, he
made quite a few bad hires in fact. Your agenda is anti-radio,
all corporations are bad, etc. I don't buy it.



> Did you actually ready my post? You act as if I give Hall
> no credit. Not the case. I just don't give him all the
> love you do.
>
> Again...He 'built' a weekend host into a morning show host?
> He did nothing of the kind. He may have encouraged and
> supported the person...But "built"? Did he assemble this
> person in a lab? Hall deserves credit for recognizing
> talent, but certainly not building it.
>
> And, your "guess" is way incorrect. I wonder if you
> actually know how old David is. Because I do.
>
> You're taking this very personally. I don't care one way or
> the other about David G Hall...Just stating my opinion about
> someone in my profession.
>
> As for my 'bleakness'...I used to believe things would turn
> around. But, they won't. And radio, for talent and those
> who love talent, is 20 times worse than it was just 20 years
> ago.
>
> Kids don't listen to the radio that much anymore. And when
> they grow up, they won't turn into the dedicated audiences
> that keep ratings up. Radio is losing market share left and
> right.
>
>
>
>
> > I'm real impressed with you vernacular, and what a glib
> > dude, laying
> > it all out like an I Pod version of Marshall McLuhan. The
> > fact is he
> > was the guy in the driver's seat at KFI, whether you like
> it
> > or not
> > he built a weekend host into the #1 English speaking
> morning
> > talent.
> > Is he a genuis or a visionary, nope. Didn't say he was. My
>
> > guess is
> > Hall is younger than you, don't try to paint him like some
>
> > old dude,
> > you know better than that. I don't see quite as bleak a
> > version of
> > the future in this business as you do either.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Personally coached?" Get real. I, indeed, have heard
> Hall
> >
> > > characterized both as a genius and the luckiest man on
> the
> >
> > > face of the earth. The truth probably lies somewhere in
>
> > the
> > > middle.
> > >
> > > I've "personally" coached talent that did go on to
> > > success...But, they were going to be successful
> > > anyway...whether I was there or not. Real talent is
> real
> > > talent.
> > >
> > > KNX was in the crapper long before Hall got there. As
> for
> >
> > > KFI, a lot of what he did was create a kick ass news
> > > department. And people relly want to work for him.
> Hall
> > is
> > > no visionary...but, he's no idiot either (see bob
> agnew.)
> > >
> > > While the changes made to KCBS may not all be good, at
> > least
> > > it's DIRECTION.
> > > Management there has been stuck in the mud for over a
> > > decade. But, it makes a shitload of money anyway. And
> > it's
> > > still the radio station that people turn to when they
> need
> >
> > > to know.
> > >
> > > Yes, radio is fairly boring these days...But, you can't
> > > really say it's what 'listeners want'. Radio is a
> passive
> >
> > > medium...While research is a great tool, it doesn't
> > really
> > > measure the passion of the listeners...What would really
>
> > > make them WANT to tune in day after day...which, in the
> > end,
> > > is really what makes a station great. A shared passion
> > > between the listener and the station is keeps the great
> > ones
> > > great.
> > >
> > > But, the corporate world of radio will continue on its
> > merry
> > > way...looking for larger profit margins and minimizing
> > > talent (local or otherwise) in the studio. And, when the
>
> > > CEO's and 8 million radio VPs finally kill it off ,
> > they'll
> > > walk away from the burning wreckage of what used to be a
>
> > > real form of communication. Satellite radio will
> continue
> > to
> > > grow, along with I-pod use and other aural gadgets.
> > >
> > > Anyway, David G. Hall (what is WITH that 'g' thing) is
> > just
> > > another older PD in today's world, whose biggest
> successes
> >
> > > are a decade behind.
> > >
> > > Man, I'm in a mood...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > I worked in LA in the late 80's & early 90's, Hall
> > > developed
> > > >
> > > > that station from a 2 share also ran, to the leading
> N/T
> >
> > > in
> > > > the country. He inherited Rush, but Hall personally
> > > coached
> > > > & developed people like Bill Handel, Dr Laura, John &
> > Ken,
> > >
> > > > as
> > > > well as Phil Hendrie. He by the way Hall was
> consulting
> > > > KCBS.
> > > > Just wondering, where do you get all this expertise on
>
> > > News
> > > > & Talk radio?. You might focus on your KFRC and KYA
> > > > nostalgia
> > > > instead.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > I don't understand the Hall bashing. He built KFI,
>
> > and
> > >
> > > > > > he has updated the News format in a time when
> there
> > > are
> > > > > > so many alternatives to all news-radio.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Did you listen to KNX before it went through the
> > > > > Hallification process? I've been listening to it on
> a
> > > > > regular basis for thirty years, and the changes
> turned
> >
> > > it
> > > > > into a bland news/talk hybrid that make it a perfect
>
> > fit
> > >
> > > > for
> > > > > Topeka, Charleston, Duluth or Boise ... which, I
> > guess,
> > > is
> > > >
> > > > > what radio listeners want these days, and which
> > explains
> > >
> > > > why
> > > > > so many San Francisco stations also sound so generic
>
> > and
> > >
> > > > > gutless.
> > > > >
> > > > > KNX was a great radio station in a great radio city.
>
> > It
> > > > > sounded important. It sounded dynamic. Now it sounds
>
> > > like
> > > > > "The Voice Of Provo."
> > > > >
> > > > > > He built KFI...
> > > > >
> > > > > Knowing the history of KFI, that makes me smile
> > broadly.
> > >
> > > > And
> > > > > shake my head. Of all the things David G. Hall may
> > have
> > > > done
> > > > > in his career, "building" KFI ain't one of them.
> > > > >
> > > > > I still haven't had an answer to my original
> question:
> >
> > > > what
> > > > > was David G. Hall doing at KCBS/740? Or was someone
> > > > > confused?
> > > > >
> > > > > D.J.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
 
Re: What's with the "G" & other stuff

Okay, in answer to an earlier question. Used to be when you came to town and joined AFTRA you gave them your air name, and if someone already was using it, you had to use a different one, or change your's a bit.
There was already a David Hall in LA that was a union member. That David Hall is now on CSI as the coroner and still does voice over. So Dave Hall had to change his name a bit, hence the "G". KFI may not have that problem much longer as there is a movement to de-certify the union at KFI, a move that will most likely hurt the part-timer who gets few hours and will most likely have no health benifits when that happens.

By the way, the KFI news department was already an award winning operation long before Hall got there. They had a ton of Golden Mike awards back when David Blake was the news director. Yes David "G" Hall did a lot to build KFI, but much of it was in place when he took over, and for every success, he's had multiple failures. Like many PD's he gets credit for ideas that many on his staff came up with over the years. Then again, that's what can make a good PD, someone who hires talent and uses that talent for his and the station's gain.
Was Hall a lucky guy? You bet your butt he was!
 
Re: David G. Hall at KCBS

I am far from anti-radio...but,yes, I do feel the big radio corporations have done nothing but dilute the product and taken the human element out of it, worried more about "content" vs serving their community. And, by that, I mean just actually programming based on the city rather than the nationwide blanket approach they take now.

> He certainly created a platform where a green morning talent
>
> could prosper. Recognizing talent, and nuturing talent are
> two different things. Hell, I never said he was perfect, he
> made quite a few bad hires in fact. Your agenda is
> anti-radio,
> all corporations are bad, etc. I don't buy it.
>
>
>
> > Did you actually ready my post? You act as if I give Hall
>
> > no credit. Not the case. I just don't give him all the
> > love you do.
> >
> > Again...He 'built' a weekend host into a morning show
> host?
> > He did nothing of the kind. He may have encouraged and
> > supported the person...But "built"? Did he assemble this
> > person in a lab? Hall deserves credit for recognizing
> > talent, but certainly not building it.
> >
> > And, your "guess" is way incorrect. I wonder if you
> > actually know how old David is. Because I do.
> >
> > You're taking this very personally. I don't care one way
> or
> > the other about David G Hall...Just stating my opinion
> about
> > someone in my profession.
> >
> > As for my 'bleakness'...I used to believe things would
> turn
> > around. But, they won't. And radio, for talent and those
>
> > who love talent, is 20 times worse than it was just 20
> years
> > ago.
> >
> > Kids don't listen to the radio that much anymore. And
> when
> > they grow up, they won't turn into the dedicated audiences
>
> > that keep ratings up. Radio is losing market share left
> and
> > right.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > I'm real impressed with you vernacular, and what a glib
> > > dude, laying
> > > it all out like an I Pod version of Marshall McLuhan.
> The
> > > fact is he
> > > was the guy in the driver's seat at KFI, whether you
> like
> > it
> > > or not
> > > he built a weekend host into the #1 English speaking
> > morning
> > > talent.
> > > Is he a genuis or a visionary, nope. Didn't say he was.
> My
> >
> > > guess is
> > > Hall is younger than you, don't try to paint him like
> some
> >
> > > old dude,
> > > you know better than that. I don't see quite as bleak a
> > > version of
> > > the future in this business as you do either.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Personally coached?" Get real. I, indeed, have heard
> > Hall
> > >
> > > > characterized both as a genius and the luckiest man on
>
> > the
> > >
> > > > face of the earth. The truth probably lies somewhere
> in
> >
> > > the
> > > > middle.
> > > >
> > > > I've "personally" coached talent that did go on to
> > > > success...But, they were going to be successful
> > > > anyway...whether I was there or not. Real talent is
> > real
> > > > talent.
> > > >
> > > > KNX was in the crapper long before Hall got there. As
>
> > for
> > >
> > > > KFI, a lot of what he did was create a kick ass news
> > > > department. And people relly want to work for him.
> > Hall
> > > is
> > > > no visionary...but, he's no idiot either (see bob
> > agnew.)
> > > >
> > > > While the changes made to KCBS may not all be good, at
>
> > > least
> > > > it's DIRECTION.
> > > > Management there has been stuck in the mud for over a
> > > > decade. But, it makes a shitload of money anyway.
> And
> > > it's
> > > > still the radio station that people turn to when they
> > need
> > >
> > > > to know.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, radio is fairly boring these days...But, you
> can't
> > > > really say it's what 'listeners want'. Radio is a
> > passive
> > >
> > > > medium...While research is a great tool, it doesn't
> > > really
> > > > measure the passion of the listeners...What would
> really
> >
> > > > make them WANT to tune in day after day...which, in
> the
> > > end,
> > > > is really what makes a station great. A shared
> passion
> > > > between the listener and the station is keeps the
> great
> > > ones
> > > > great.
> > > >
> > > > But, the corporate world of radio will continue on its
>
> > > merry
> > > > way...looking for larger profit margins and minimizing
>
> > > > talent (local or otherwise) in the studio. And, when
> the
> >
> > > > CEO's and 8 million radio VPs finally kill it off ,
> > > they'll
> > > > walk away from the burning wreckage of what used to be
> a
> >
> > > > real form of communication. Satellite radio will
> > continue
> > > to
> > > > grow, along with I-pod use and other aural gadgets.
>
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, David G. Hall (what is WITH that 'g' thing) is
>
> > > just
> > > > another older PD in today's world, whose biggest
> > successes
> > >
> > > > are a decade behind.
> > > >
> > > > Man, I'm in a mood...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I worked in LA in the late 80's & early 90's, Hall
> > > > developed
> > > > >
> > > > > that station from a 2 share also ran, to the leading
>
> > N/T
> > >
> > > > in
> > > > > the country. He inherited Rush, but Hall personally
> > > > coached
> > > > > & developed people like Bill Handel, Dr Laura, John
> &
> > > Ken,
> > > >
> > > > > as
> > > > > well as Phil Hendrie. He by the way Hall was
> > consulting
> > > > > KCBS.
> > > > > Just wondering, where do you get all this expertise
> on
> >
> > > > News
> > > > > & Talk radio?. You might focus on your KFRC and KYA
> > > > > nostalgia
> > > > > instead.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't understand the Hall bashing. He built
> KFI,
> >
> > > and
> > > >
> > > > > > > he has updated the News format in a time when
> > there
> > > > are
> > > > > > > so many alternatives to all news-radio.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Did you listen to KNX before it went through the
> > > > > > Hallification process? I've been listening to it
> on
> > a
> > > > > > regular basis for thirty years, and the changes
> > turned
> > >
> > > > it
> > > > > > into a bland news/talk hybrid that make it a
> perfect
> >
> > > fit
> > > >
> > > > > for
> > > > > > Topeka, Charleston, Duluth or Boise ... which, I
> > > guess,
> > > > is
> > > > >
> > > > > > what radio listeners want these days, and which
> > > explains
> > > >
> > > > > why
> > > > > > so many San Francisco stations also sound so
> generic
> >
> > > and
> > > >
> > > > > > gutless.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > KNX was a great radio station in a great radio
> city.
> >
> > > It
> > > > > > sounded important. It sounded dynamic. Now it
> sounds
> >
> > > > like
> > > > > > "The Voice Of Provo."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > He built KFI...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Knowing the history of KFI, that makes me smile
> > > broadly.
> > > >
> > > > > And
> > > > > > shake my head. Of all the things David G. Hall may
>
> > > have
> > > > > done
> > > > > > in his career, "building" KFI ain't one of them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I still haven't had an answer to my original
> > question:
> > >
> > > > > what
> > > > > > was David G. Hall doing at KCBS/740? Or was
> someone
> > > > > > confused?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > D.J.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
 
Re: David G. Hall at KCBS

"Incorrect. The loss from 1965 to today is less than 2%."

Judges? Oh, I'm sorry....we're going to need more of an answer on this one...

2 percent compared to what? And where do your numbers come from? If you're going to throw numbers out, you should qualify them and source them. And, when I was a kid, we used radio DAILY. Granted, there is "other" tech out there competing for an audience, but there have always been other things to do and listen to.

My kids (teens) hardly ever listen to the radio...and neither do their friends.



> Kids don't listen to the radio that much anymore.
>
> 92% of teens use radio weekly. Granted, they use it less,
> but trhere is just so much "other" technology to compete
>
> > And when
> > they grow up, they won't turn into the dedicated audiences
>
> > that keep ratings up. Radio is losing market share left
> and
> > right.
>
> Incorrect. The loss from 1965 to today is less than 2%.
> Thanks for playing.
>
> .
>
 
Re: David G. Hall at KCBS

Well, that we can agree on. Look I would prefer that we had
a lot more mid sized companies owning radio stations, it would
keep everybody a little more honest.


> I am far from anti-radio...but,yes, I do feel the big radio
> corporations have done nothing but dilute the product and
> taken the human element out of it, worried more about
> "content" vs serving their community. And, by that, I mean
> just actually programming based on the city rather than the
> nationwide blanket approach they take now.
>
> > He certainly created a platform where a green morning
> talent
> >
> > could prosper. Recognizing talent, and nuturing talent are
>
> > two different things. Hell, I never said he was perfect,
> he
> > made quite a few bad hires in fact. Your agenda is
> > anti-radio,
> > all corporations are bad, etc. I don't buy it.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Did you actually ready my post? You act as if I give
> Hall
> >
> > > no credit. Not the case. I just don't give him all the
>
> > > love you do.
> > >
> > > Again...He 'built' a weekend host into a morning show
> > host?
> > > He did nothing of the kind. He may have encouraged and
> > > supported the person...But "built"? Did he assemble
> this
> > > person in a lab? Hall deserves credit for recognizing
> > > talent, but certainly not building it.
> > >
> > > And, your "guess" is way incorrect. I wonder if you
> > > actually know how old David is. Because I do.
> > >
> > > You're taking this very personally. I don't care one way
>
> > or
> > > the other about David G Hall...Just stating my opinion
> > about
> > > someone in my profession.
> > >
> > > As for my 'bleakness'...I used to believe things would
> > turn
> > > around. But, they won't. And radio, for talent and
> those
> >
> > > who love talent, is 20 times worse than it was just 20
> > years
> > > ago.
> > >
> > > Kids don't listen to the radio that much anymore. And
> > when
> > > they grow up, they won't turn into the dedicated
> audiences
> >
> > > that keep ratings up. Radio is losing market share left
> > and
> > > right.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > I'm real impressed with you vernacular, and what a
> glib
> > > > dude, laying
> > > > it all out like an I Pod version of Marshall McLuhan.
> > The
> > > > fact is he
> > > > was the guy in the driver's seat at KFI, whether you
> > like
> > > it
> > > > or not
> > > > he built a weekend host into the #1 English speaking
> > > morning
> > > > talent.
> > > > Is he a genuis or a visionary, nope. Didn't say he
> was.
> > My
> > >
> > > > guess is
> > > > Hall is younger than you, don't try to paint him like
> > some
> > >
> > > > old dude,
> > > > you know better than that. I don't see quite as bleak
> a
> > > > version of
> > > > the future in this business as you do either.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Personally coached?" Get real. I, indeed, have
> heard
> > > Hall
> > > >
> > > > > characterized both as a genius and the luckiest man
> on
> >
> > > the
> > > >
> > > > > face of the earth. The truth probably lies
> somewhere
> > in
> > >
> > > > the
> > > > > middle.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've "personally" coached talent that did go on to
> > > > > success...But, they were going to be successful
> > > > > anyway...whether I was there or not. Real talent is
>
> > > real
> > > > > talent.
> > > > >
> > > > > KNX was in the crapper long before Hall got there.
> As
> >
> > > for
> > > >
> > > > > KFI, a lot of what he did was create a kick ass news
>
> > > > > department. And people relly want to work for him.
>
> > > Hall
> > > > is
> > > > > no visionary...but, he's no idiot either (see bob
> > > agnew.)
> > > > >
> > > > > While the changes made to KCBS may not all be good,
> at
> >
> > > > least
> > > > > it's DIRECTION.
> > > > > Management there has been stuck in the mud for over
> a
> > > > > decade. But, it makes a shitload of money anyway.
> > And
> > > > it's
> > > > > still the radio station that people turn to when
> they
> > > need
> > > >
> > > > > to know.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, radio is fairly boring these days...But, you
> > can't
> > > > > really say it's what 'listeners want'. Radio is a
> > > passive
> > > >
> > > > > medium...While research is a great tool, it doesn't
>
> > > > really
> > > > > measure the passion of the listeners...What would
> > really
> > >
> > > > > make them WANT to tune in day after day...which, in
> > the
> > > > end,
> > > > > is really what makes a station great. A shared
> > passion
> > > > > between the listener and the station is keeps the
> > great
> > > > ones
> > > > > great.
> > > > >
> > > > > But, the corporate world of radio will continue on
> its
> >
> > > > merry
> > > > > way...looking for larger profit margins and
> minimizing
> >
> > > > > talent (local or otherwise) in the studio. And, when
>
> > the
> > >
> > > > > CEO's and 8 million radio VPs finally kill it off ,
> > > > they'll
> > > > > walk away from the burning wreckage of what used to
> be
> > a
> > >
> > > > > real form of communication. Satellite radio will
> > > continue
> > > > to
> > > > > grow, along with I-pod use and other aural gadgets.
>
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway, David G. Hall (what is WITH that 'g' thing)
> is
> >
> > > > just
> > > > > another older PD in today's world, whose biggest
> > > successes
> > > >
> > > > > are a decade behind.
> > > > >
> > > > > Man, I'm in a mood...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I worked in LA in the late 80's & early 90's, Hall
>
> > > > > developed
> > > > > >
> > > > > > that station from a 2 share also ran, to the
> leading
> >
> > > N/T
> > > >
> > > > > in
> > > > > > the country. He inherited Rush, but Hall
> personally
> > > > > coached
> > > > > > & developed people like Bill Handel, Dr Laura,
> John
> > &
> > > > Ken,
> > > > >
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > well as Phil Hendrie. He by the way Hall was
> > > consulting
> > > > > > KCBS.
> > > > > > Just wondering, where do you get all this
> expertise
> > on
> > >
> > > > > News
> > > > > > & Talk radio?. You might focus on your KFRC and
> KYA
> > > > > > nostalgia
> > > > > > instead.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I don't understand the Hall bashing. He built
> > KFI,
> > >
> > > > and
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > he has updated the News format in a time when
> > > there
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > > so many alternatives to all news-radio.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Did you listen to KNX before it went through the
>
> > > > > > > Hallification process? I've been listening to it
>
> > on
> > > a
> > > > > > > regular basis for thirty years, and the changes
> > > turned
> > > >
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > into a bland news/talk hybrid that make it a
> > perfect
> > >
> > > > fit
> > > > >
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > Topeka, Charleston, Duluth or Boise ... which, I
>
> > > > guess,
> > > > > is
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > what radio listeners want these days, and which
> > > > explains
> > > > >
> > > > > > why
> > > > > > > so many San Francisco stations also sound so
> > generic
> > >
> > > > and
> > > > >
> > > > > > > gutless.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > KNX was a great radio station in a great radio
> > city.
> > >
> > > > It
> > > > > > > sounded important. It sounded dynamic. Now it
> > sounds
> > >
> > > > > like
> > > > > > > "The Voice Of Provo."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > He built KFI...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Knowing the history of KFI, that makes me smile
> > > > broadly.
> > > > >
> > > > > > And
> > > > > > > shake my head. Of all the things David G. Hall
> may
> >
> > > > have
> > > > > > done
> > > > > > > in his career, "building" KFI ain't one of them.
>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I still haven't had an answer to my original
> > > question:
> > > >
> > > > > > what
> > > > > > > was David G. Hall doing at KCBS/740? Or was
> > someone
> > > > > > > confused?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > D.J.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
 
Re: David G. Hall at KCBS

> "Incorrect. The loss from 1965 to today is less than 2%."
>
> Judges? Oh, I'm sorry....we're going to need more of an
> answer on this one...
>
> 2 percent compared to what? And where do your numbers come
> from? If you're going to throw numbers out, you should
> qualify them and source them. And, when I was a kid, we
> used radio DAILY. Granted, there is "other" tech out there
> competing for an audience, but there have always been other
> things to do and listen to.

Source: Arbitron. And Duncan's huge 1975-2004 study of trending, PURs and such.

Weekly cume on teens is down from around 94 to 95 percent to around 92%. On 18+, weekly cume is around 93.3 average across markets from a high 94% in the early 70's.

Weekly per person radio usage was 21 hours (in fact, that nubmer goes back to the pre-lift-of-freeze 1951 data) and is now around 20:15.

Part of the issue in the cells where there is TSL loss (teens and 55+) is that radio does not program for these demos as there is no money there.
>
> My kids (teens) hardly ever listen to the radio...and
> neither do their friends.

Sample size, I guess, of about 10.
 
Re: David G. Hall at KCBS/RE: Argument

Gates of course packed a police revolver in his briefcase while at KFI, dude was and probably still is a physical fitness fanatic. He would do all these one armed push ups and stuff, scared the crap out of some people. But on the other hand a lot of us liked him. I don't think he meant Hall any harm, maybe just scare him.



> > > I only know about KFI's success from items I read in
> laradio.com, and I haven't heard KNX for more than a few
> minutes in years, so I have no strong opinion about David G.
> Hall. But LA's news stations (KNX and KFWB) have been losing
> audience share for years. San Francisco is a much different
> market...it seems like the radio audience here is much more
> concerned about news and information than LA. I suspect
> KCBS's big competion here, other than KGO, is NPR and KQED.
> The one time KCBS tried to encroach on KGO's territory was
> in the mid-80s when they tried night-time talk shows with
> Art Finley and Ruby Peterson. Both hosts were good, but
> that "news and more on 74" format went nowhere, and their
> ratings dropped. I would imagine that any PD installed at
> KCBS these days would be given strict order to NOT fix what
> ain't broke.
>
> I do remember Hall's story about firing ex-L.A. police chief
> Daryl Gates (of Rodney King era infamy) from KFI some years
> ago. Gates told Hall to watch his back. The inference
> being that Gates would somehow get revenge for the firing.
>
>
> I don't understand the Hall bashing. He built KFI, and
> > > he has updated the News format in a time when there are
> > > so many alternatives to all news-radio.
> >
> >
> > Did you listen to KNX before it went through the
> > Hallification process? I've been listening to it on a
> > regular basis for thirty years, and the changes turned it
> > into a bland news/talk hybrid that make it a perfect fit
> for
> > Topeka, Charleston, Duluth or Boise ... which, I guess, is
>
> > what radio listeners want these days, and which explains
> why
> > so many San Francisco stations also sound so generic and
> > gutless.
> >
> > KNX was a great radio station in a great radio city. It
> > sounded important. It sounded dynamic. Now it sounds like
> > "The Voice Of Provo."
> >
> > > He built KFI...
> >
> > Knowing the history of KFI, that makes me smile broadly.
> And
> > shake my head. Of all the things David G. Hall may have
> done
> > in his career, "building" KFI ain't one of them.
> >
> > I still haven't had an answer to my original question:
> what
> > was David G. Hall doing at KCBS/740? Or was someone
> > confused?
> >
> > D.J.
> >
>
 
Re: David G. Hall at KCBS/RE: Argument

> Gates of course packed a police revolver in his briefcase
> while at KFI, dude was and probably still is a physical
> fitness fanatic. He would do all these one armed push ups
> and stuff, scared the crap out of some people. But on the
> other hand a lot of us liked him. I don't think he meant
> Hall any harm, maybe just scare him.
>
> Interesting. Gates seemed to be the last in a long line of LA Police Chiefs who were...well...colorfully right wing. Previous to Gates was Ed Davis in the 60s who wanted to hang hijackers at the airport (he was serious), and Tom Reddin in the 70s who was briefly a right-wing newscaster on KTLA...but he couldn't compete with the even more conservative George Putnam on KTTV(he's still on LA radio).
>
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