New York urban Stations go out of Business ? ( PPM Rating Killing Urban Radio )

[adma]

But...in 2007, would they be into rock *radio*? *Terrestrial*, especially?

 

[adma]

Re: New York urban Stations go out of Business ? ( PPM Rating Killing Urban Radi

And to return to the post I was responding to...

Maybe where you live...not here in New York City.

If you visit the hot bars here in Manhattan, especially on the upper east side you'll hear alot of rock much of it "classic" some pop even disco during an evening. If the house is selecting you mighta few rap tracks during the night, if patrons select via jukebox or requests: none. These aren't "knuckledraggers", they are young '20s -30s affluent city dwellers. I cater to, and live among this crowd.

Note that I was referring not to rock in general, but the "commercial radio interpretation" thereof. The issue isn't about rock, the issue is about squandered industry braintrust--and I find that all too many of those who're speaking up *for* rock radio today aren't necessarily the best and brightest spokespersons. Besides, these days, the jukebox/request realm might as well answer more to the immediacy of iPod culture than something as cumbersome and degraded as radio--just because a buncha upper east side execs like to boogie in bars to "Bad To The Bone" doesn't mean it'll work the same way on the air.

But I'll grant you this much: according to some dentist's board fantasy, those "young '20s -30s affluent city dwellers" should be more into "mass appeal pop" ;D

 

[rapking]

The message to Al Sharpton, All Urban Owners and PPM critics.....DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER!!! Everytime I hear Urban music blaring out of car radios, it's cd's....not the radio. If URban Owners don't like the bad news, change formats to something they can get ratings with. Like EVERY other owner has to do. Just because you are African American doesn't mean you have to program to African Americans!! Think outside the box and win!!!!

just a thought.

Most Urban Stations ( 98.7 Kiss FM and Power and HOT 97 ) are owned by White People . Im not a Al Sharton fan , but if PPM Knock off Power and Hot 97 , Al Sharpton will love it ( AL Sharpton Hate Rap Music ).

 

[jkb]

Re: New York urban Stations go out of Business ? ( PPM Rating Killing Urban Radi

I know there is more than rap and R &B, but that's mostly what you hear. I don't think NYC is ever going to have an FM Gospel station. Same with Black Talk. WLIB was a great Black talk station owned by a Black company but he pushed it off for Air America and then switched it to gospel.

Why not a station that plays neo-soul and international music. LIsten to BBC Xtra online or Neosoulcafe.com and you will hear music that will never get airplay in any market. The funny thing is that most of it is very good music. The problem is that it's not from Beyonce or ________name popular artist.

 

[RadioFixerCLE]

Re: New York urban Stations go out of Business ? ( PPM Rating Killing Urban Radi

WLIB was a great Black talk station owned by a Black company but he pushed it off for Air America and then switched it to gospel.

Yeah, it was like the anti-WABC. Both were compelling stations at each other's throats back in the 1990s. Was it a money-maker? I don't know, I'm sure it paid for itself but didn't make outrageous profits.

I guess ICBC has dollar signs clouding their vision and think the station is worth much more than what it actually is. They should have stuck with their niche for local black talk (as opposed to Radio One droppings).

 

[R.F. Burns]

Re: New York urban Stations go out of Business ? ( PPM Rating Killing Urban Radi

WLIB was a great Black talk station owned by a Black company but he pushed it off for Air America and then switched it to gospel.

Yeah, it was like the anti-WABC. Both were compelling stations at each other's throats back in the 1990s. Was it a money-maker? I don't know, I'm sure it paid for itself but didn't make outrageous profits.

I guess ICBC has dollar signs clouding their vision and think the station is worth much more than what it actually is. They should have stuck with their niche for local black talk (as opposed to Radio One droppings).

WLIB as a urban talk station was a financial disaster. What I had heard was that there was a buyer for WLIB which is why the station dropped Air America & by the time they had dropped out of the picture Air America had signed with WWRL. Actually, gospel had been planned for and is now in in stereo on WRKS's HD 2 stream.

 

[htowler]

Re: New York urban Stations go out of Business ? ( PPM Rating Killing Urban Radi

Really? I've heard Hot 97 or Power 105 blasting out of cars quite often.

The only places I hear either of those stations blaring out of cars anymore here in Nassau County are in minority-majority communities like Freeport and Roosevelt. Hot 97 and Power 105 didn't perform particulary well in the Nassau-Suffolk ratings with the diary system in place, so I seriously doubt they'll make much of a dent here under the PPM. Face it, Hip Hop/Rap is rapidly losing the white suburban audience that it needed to become a billion dollar industry
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Could this be a reason why Hot97 is moving to a more Rhythmic Playlist? to keep / lure back NON African-American Listeners?

 

[Hunter]

Re: New York urban Stations go out of Business ? ( PPM Rating Killing Urban Radi

... except for the fact that radio ratings are done by age, sex, ethnicity, income level, etc. A radio with embedded PPM technology has no way of registering who was listening to it, nor how many, nor whether the radio was left on so the family pet would "relax."

Regarding the pet "relaxing" effort...Nice excuse for ethnic reporting dropping off...that would explain why AC's do better with PPM's, but what about rock increases? Shouldn't Urban AC's also do significantly better?