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Newburgh and Poughkeepsie Arbs

MHVRadiofan said:
Where did you find this Ulster County  book breakdown ? THere is no such thing made public.
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I guess aka, the steve was joking about WBPM was becoming #1 in the Ulster book. WRWD is #1, forget about it!

WBPM is doing poorly, but as I said since I was bumping that thread, do you know what the voiceover announcer for "Classic Hits 92.9" is?

He was doing liners for WCZX years ago as "Oldies 97.7" and also doing liners for WBPM's original "Cool 94.3", do you know what his name is? Not Ziggy, but the other guy? Anyone?
 
The Poughkeepsie book just covers Dutchess county and not Ulster? or does it cover both counties?

The Newburgh-Middletown just covers Orange County?
 
Poughkeepsie metro is just Dutchess, the TSA covers Ulster, Orange and Sullivan.
Newburgh metro is just Orange, the TSA covers Ulster, Orange and Sullivan.
Nice racket Arbitron has, no?
 
I think at least parts of the latest Arbitron report, shows why broadcasters don't put a lot of stock in the 12+ numbers; it is full of anomalies, .I hope the breakdown is more accurate.
Not to throw cold water on WRWD, they usually do well in the Hudson Valley I seriously doubt the jumped 2.3% from a 5 to a 7.3. This has happened to them before, only to settle down to normal in the next book .Office favorite WRNQ also had a significant jump upward.
WCZX and WBWZ are beating each other up going after the same audience; the result neither wins .The last I listened WBWZ had a more classic rock lean than WCZX. It seems that the only format there is a large enough audience for two stations to do well is CHR. Although they approach it differently, WSPK and WPKF have become consistently at or near the top.
I really hate to say this because I love Classic Rock personally but this will not work because the format is slowly dieing. Do you remember when WPDH was number one? Now they are languishing in fifth, with their share gradually eroding with each book. I doubt WBPM is stealing any of their audience since WBPM's ratings are heading south. Although as I said the ratings are not always that accurate, the trend is still negative.
As has been noted WBPM is not as they proclaim a Classic Hits station, it is more like Classic Rock .Deep obscure cuts in the name of variety are not hits. While most of the music they play is good, the play list includes too many unknown clunkers, and they sound like a poor imitation of WPDH. Randy needs to overhaul his play list to include just the hits. He can do this and still maintain variety by cutting out the album tracks, reducing the 80's music and increasing the sixties Pop and Rock hits, which they play very little of. There is even a liner deriding these songs as "stupid dinosaur bands" A Classic Hits stations should sound more like WCBS-FM. Randy's Music Blimp featuring Classic Hits 92.9 presents the new wave and ‘alternative rock' of the late 70’s ,80’s and 90’s doesn't fit the hits format at all. Jack and Andre are starting to sound like all the other morning shows talking more and more every time I tune in.I wonder how long PAMAL will continue Randy Turner to be ‘independent’ with a sub 1 number and an ultra light commercial load. Few commercials are great for the listeners but do not make the bean counters happy.
Like I said at the top this book is skewed somehow apparently the result of book distribution. Look down at the bottom even WHVW makes a rare appearance with a .6, meaning that somehow Arbitron must have found everyone of their listeners. WKIP did not really change after their format flip.
 
MHVRadiofan said:
A Classic Hits stations should sound more like WCBS-FM. Randy's Music Blimp featuring Classic Hits 92.9 presents the new wave and ‘alternative rock' of the late 70’s ,80’s and 90’s doesn't fit the hits format at all.
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This music is designed to attract the next middle-aged "money demos" that 70s Classic Hits stations did in the earlier part of this decade and the latter 1990s. It's time someone jumped out in front on this kind of formet. Unfortunately, it probably doesn't fit in an area like Ulster County. This type of format has a place -- if done right and in a more populated location. Also, some promotion might work. If Pamal wants to attract listeners to WBPM, then the music played should be promoted properly. Most people who haven't listened to WBPM in a while likely think it's either still an oldies station or a generic classic hits station -- and there are plenty of those to go choose from in the Valley.
 
MHVRadiofan said:
I really hate to say this because I love Classic Rock personally but this will not work because the format is slowly dieing. Do you remember when WPDH was number one? Now they are languishing in fifth, with their share gradually eroding with each book. I doubt WBPM is stealing any of their audience since WBPM's ratings are heading south. Although as I said the ratings are not always that accurate, the trend is still negative.

As has been noted WBPM is not as they proclaim a Classic Hits station, it is more like Classic Rock .Deep obscure cuts in the name of variety are not hits. While most of the music they play is good, the play list includes too many unknown clunkers, and they sound like a poor imitation of WPDH. Randy needs to overhaul his play list to include just the hits. He can do this and still maintain variety by cutting out the album tracks, reducing the 80's music and increasing the sixties Pop and Rock hits, which they play very little of. There is even a liner deriding these songs as "stupid dinosaur bands" A Classic Hits stations should sound more like WCBS-FM. Randy's Music Blimp featuring Classic Hits 92.9 presents the new wave and ‘alternative rock' of the late 70’s ,80’s and 90’s doesn't fit the hits format at all. Jack and Andre are starting to sound like all the other morning shows talking more and more every time I tune in.I wonder how long PAMAL will continue Randy Turner to be ‘independent’ with a sub 1 number and an ultra light commercial load. Few commercials are great for the listeners but do not make the bean counters happy.
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Thanks for the info MHVRadiofan. WBPM is going to hurt WPDH, reminds me of WNEW's former "Mix 102.7" was hurting KTU a few years ago. I guess WBPM is going to become the next WRKW that it used to be on 92.9 when it was from the "Quality Rock" days since it first kicked off since 1999 until 2003 when it was "92.9 Rock". I remember WBPM when it was on 94.3 from the good old days, but I missed them so much, but it's not going to happen anytime soon.

WBPM needs to be a "Greatest Hits" station like CBS-FM, not a classic rock copy of WPDH, but it's going to hurt the station. As I said, the station is going nowhere and Randy Turner is not a good show, but it needs to back it off and forget the station that plays "Dinosaur Rock" from the 70's through the 80's, but mostly 90's, but it's too boring. Time to bring back a greatest hits/oldies station like CBS-FM.

WCZR's "Cruisin' 93.5" signal was bad in all areas like Poughkeepsie, Kingston, New Paltz and all over the place. Do we need another frequency to simulcast "Cruisin' 93.5"?

And as for WBPM, the liners sounded a lot like WCZX's former "Oldies 97.7" back in the late 90's and WBPM's original "Cool 94.3" when Cumulus took over from CC back in 2003 where he does the same voice doing the liners, screw them. We need Ziggy, the voice of CBS-FM and WKLI's "Magic 100.9" to do this.

I don't like WBPM too much, because the music on this station is wrong, too much "Dinosaur Rock" and it's going to hurt WPDH. Fix it and forget it!

This is what they did with CBS-FM two years ago when it was "Jack-FM", I guess WBPM will be the next "Jack-FM" if Howard Colgan will show up.
 
I remember WBPM when it was on 94.3 from the good old days, but I missed them so much, but it's not going to happen anytime soon.
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Disney, I just had an idea. Why don't you move to Pittsburgh, so you can listen to B94?
 
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