Newcomb out at 1480/Nova M

[ajhenderson]

Oh yeah, and Barry Young and Brucie Jacobs never shriek or fall into the gutter of ad hominem attacks... At least when Randi Rhodes "shrieks," she says something of interest. I haven't heard a word of truth from any of the talking head nabobs at KFYI (or KKNT - what a hoot!) in twenty years.

If KPHX fails it will be due to their 1/4 watt lousy signal that barely makes it to the end of their stick.

My record about Randi Rhodes on this board has been clear - she's a talent, but can only be taken in limited quanities. I don't know about shrieking on KFYI, save Jacobs, who's a caricature, but Hannity does get old very quickly. Crummey, if I ever heard him for more than 20 minutes, probably the same... the schtick gets old quickly. But then, how many people listen for the entire show, let alone a whole hour?

KPHX's signal also isn't that bad... at night, it's nothing great, but no reason it can't be somewhat competitive. They have the same problem every other small operation has - no money. Nobody knows they exist. And when you ask for donations in a sort of Salvation Army bin of talk radio to get the station running, the fringe elements that donate want to control the programming and keep it so far left that no one would listen except them. Kind of the same thing as Salem - except they have a much bigger bin and more bellringers.

 

[Legend City]

Well, it turns out that the Holocaust denier who supposedly had nothing to do with the latest Kook Confab in Chandler actually did get up and speak at the event. As well, he had a booth and was selling merchandise.

I'm sure Air America is so proud to have a local talkshow host that was the emcee of such an event.

Unbelievable

http://phoenixnewtimes.com/blogs/?p=263

 

[KMGX]

And you know this precisely how? Are you psychic? Have you taken some kind of a survey? Myself, I still meet people that don't know that there is a new liberal talk station in Phoenix after they lost the previous station to a religious broadcaster.

I know this because, unlike some people, I am capable of reading the arbitrons—that by the way IS the “survey” I would trust on this matter. Everywhere they have tried “liberal talk” it has failed in this market—so why would it change now? There’s an old adage in gambling ‘never bet against a streak’, and that applies to Air-America-Nova-M-liberal-fanboy-radio-whatever-we’re-calling-ourselves-this-week-1480.

h, I get it! You just hate the whole idea of liberal talk.

Awfully presumptuous aren’t you? I don’t “hate” liberal talk. I have a great dislike for the hypocrisy behind Air America; the so called ‘liberal answer’ to the ‘conservative dominated media’ has proven to be just as polarizing and embittered than those they are opposing. Just like some of their conservative counterparts, Liberal talkers put style before content and come across as whiny, emotionally charged arguments where substance takes a back seat—in fact, I think Air America demonstrated that motif even more than any conservative programming—and yet they touted themselves as the intellectual retort to Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity. Unfortunately, they couldn’t even sniff fractions of the ratings that smaller conservative talk hosts garner, nevermind Rush or Sean.

So… I dislike the hypocrisy of it all.

I doubt that you've ever even listened to Stephanie Miller (who is quite entertaining, BTW) or Thom Hartmann (who you just might learn something from). Guess you just aren't part of the target demographic. Don't assume it doesn't exist though.

This is a typical tactic; if you don’t like something or find it uninspiring someone always says, “oh, you obviously never even listened to it to know if it’s good or bad”, blah blah blah. I’ve listened to just about every talk show and every station that’s been in and out of this market for the last 20-25 years, and Miller’s show, while not quite as embittered as some of her liberal comrades is still sub-par when comparing it to other entities in this rather mediocre radio landscape of Phoenix.

Oh yeah, and Barry Young and Brucie Jacobs never shriek or fall into the gutter of ad hominem attacks...

A few key differences Bill, 1) Bruce and Barry get ratings, 2) Bruce, while not the most educated nor savvy when it comes to the English language brings the ineffable qualities of passion, honesty and credibility (that being an ability to relate to the audience) to the table. Barry, while I am certainly a critic of some aspects of his show, brings great research and knowledge. This is more than I can say for Charles Goyette, Mike Newcomb the departed Al Franken, et al.

At least when Randi Rhodes "shrieks," she says something of interest. I haven't heard a word of truth from any of the talking head nabobs at KFYI (or KKNT - what a hoot!) in twenty years.

Yeah, Randi Rhodes just does bits involving presidential assassination under the guise of “humor”, all the while “shrieking” with laughter.

If KPHX fails it will be due to their 1/4 watt lousy signal that barely makes it to the end of their stick.

Well that’s good, you already have an excuse for why they will inevitably fail—of course it couldn’t have anything to do with the CONTENT could it?

 

[KOHS]

Well said, KMGX!

 

[j henry waugh]

Barry, while I am certainly a critic of some aspects of his show, brings great research and knowledge. This is more than I can say for Charles Goyette, Mike Newcomb the departed Al Franken, et al.

This is a joke, right?

Barry Young frequently regurgitates misinformation and disinformation. And the calls are screened to keep sensible and intelligent countering arguments off the air (I know this firsthand experience), and only those "loony" enough to be served up to the host as dissenters are permitted on the air. Anyone credible simply doesn't stick around, thus this is why that station is constantly "preaching to the LCD choir", instead of offering intelligent debate…

And a general remark on building a network/high frequented listener station — it doesn't happen overnight… …many conservative outlets operated at a financial loss for many years. The Moonies lose money on their ventures. And KXXT 1010 was profitable and ratings increasing before it was sold to the new fire & brimstone owners, despite the foolhardy nature of braindead AA executives that tried to do "Daily Show" style comedy trimmings on the radio, discarding real radio talent for those unequipped and unprepared for talk radio host duties.

An example is Shiddy & Shill, er, Liddy and Hill show that got high ratings on established KFYI but languishes now on Salem 960. It takes time for word to spread, friends to turn other friends on to show, or to capture serendipity effect output…

 

[NewsVet]

And a general remark on building a network/high frequented listener station — it doesn't happen overnight… …many conservative outlets operated at a financial loss for many years. The Moonies lose money on their ventures. And KXXT 1010 was profitable and ratings increasing before it was sold to the new fire & brimstone owners, despite the foolhardy nature of braindead AA executives that tried to do "Daily Show" style comedy trimmings on the radio, discarding real radio talent for those unequipped and unprepared for talk radio host duties.

Another example of a conservative outlet that lost money for years: the Fox News Channel, which lost hundreds of millions of dollars from the time it went on the air in 1996 until 2001, when it finally started to make a profit. Five full years being propped up by Rupert Murdoch, who still loses millions every year on the equally conservative New York Post.

 

[Legend City]

I saw a booth today for 1480 at a disability awareness conference.

They really looked out of place.

And the guys working the booth all looked like Lenin and Trotsky.

Oh well, at least its not being a part of a Holocaust denying kook festival.

 

[NewsVet]

I saw a booth today for 1480 at a disability awareness conference.

They really looked out of place.

And the guys working the booth all looked like Lenin and Trotsky.

Oh well, at least its not being a part of a Holocaust denying kook festival.

Do you mean the conference that had nothing to do with Holocaust denying and where the holocaust denier who upsets you so was NOT talking about that issue and was NOT selling his holocaust denial book? Did you actually read the New Times piece that you provided a link for?

 

[KMGX]

Barry Young frequently regurgitates misinformation and disinformation. And the calls are screened to keep sensible and intelligent countering arguments off the air (I know this firsthand experience), and only those "loony" enough to be served up to the host as dissenters are permitted on the air. Anyone credible simply doesn't stick around, thus this is why that station is constantly "preaching to the LCD choir", instead of offering intelligent debate…

Knowing it "first hand" would imply that you were the call-screener. Are you Andrew Babinski? Barry takes calls that disagree with him--the rare times he takes calls that is. I hate to be in the precarious position of defending Barry, but your attack seems more of an embittered view based upon Barry's politics than his show itself. (Based also on your other posts as well).

An example is Shiddy & Shill, er, Liddy and Hill show that got high ratings on established KFYI but languishes now on Salem 960. It takes time for word to spread, friends to turn other friends on to show, or to capture serendipity effect output…

They had high ratings on KFYI? That's news to me. That's as laughable as Goyette claiming he got fired for "disagreeing with the other hosts on the station" and such--when in reality he was in 21st place in his time slot.

 

[j henry waugh]

Barry Young frequently regurgitates misinformation and disinformation. And the calls are screened to keep sensible and intelligent countering arguments off the air (I know this firsthand experience), and only those "loony" enough to be served up to the host as dissenters are permitted on the air. Anyone credible simply doesn't stick around, thus this is why that station is constantly "preaching to the LCD choir", instead of offering intelligent debate…

Knowing it "first hand" would imply that you were the call-screener. Are you Andrew Babinski? Barry takes calls that disagree with him--the rare times he takes calls that is. I hate to be in the precarious position of defending Barry, but your attack seems more of an embittered view based upon Barry's politics than his show itself. (Based also on your other posts as well).

No, from being a caller kept on hold for the entire show duration, being told that Mr. Young could not "pronounce my name", and mind you, these were on errors of his relating to computer/internet technology matters...

An example is Shiddy & Shill, er, Liddy and Hill show that got high ratings on established KFYI but languishes now on Salem 960. It takes time for word to spread, friends to turn other friends on to show, or to capture serendipity effect output…

They had high ratings on KFYI? That's news to me. That's as laughable as Goyette claiming he got fired for "disagreeing with the other hosts on the station" and such--when in reality he was in 21st place in his time slot.

I'll let Goyette answer your false charges as he did in a column… …point is, they had a much larger audience than on 960 currently, and enough ratings that they were kept as PMD hosts for a couple of years…

GOYETTE: If my problem with Clear Channel's KFYI was about ratings rather than about my opposition to Bush's elective war with Iraq, it wouldn't have taken them 3 1/2 years to figure it out. Instead, in January 2003, more than three months before the war, they officially notified me they would be extending my contract at their option for another year. With still another increase in salary.

A few months later I declined management's kind invitation to shut up about the war and at the end of the second quarter was moved from afternoon drive time. That, despite the fact that Clear Channel paid me a ratings performance bonus for the quarter! Management's recent spin that it was about ratings is just that - recent. Last year station management denied to a writer from Phoenix Magazine that moving me was about ratings. That was before I went public with my account about being a war opponent at Clear Channel. Thereafter, the ratings spin started.

 

[Legend City]

I saw a booth today for 1480 at a disability awareness conference.

They really looked out of place.

And the guys working the booth all looked like Lenin and Trotsky.

Oh well, at least its not being a part of a Holocaust denying kook festival.

Do you mean the conference that had nothing to do with Holocaust denying and where the holocaust denier who upsets you so was NOT talking about that issue and was NOT selling his holocaust denial book? Did you actually read the New Times piece that you provided a link for?

I read other reports from folks that were there (see Screw Loose Change) and watched some videos. The Holocaust denier was allowed to get up and speak with a panel and sell his offensive material at his table. Right next to the Air America table.

Face it, Air America in Phoenix and its talent helped support this kook fest, they should be embarassed as hell.

 

[KMGX]

No, from being a caller kept on hold for the entire show duration, being told that Mr. Young could not "pronounce my name", and mind you, these were on errors of his relating to computer/internet technology matters...

Oh, well, say no more, you were kept on hold for the whole show, that proves your point. I have been on the air and disagreed with Barry in years past, but I guess since YOU didn't get that opportunity that means he keeps dissenting viewpoints off the air.

I'll let Goyette answer your false charges as he did in a column… …point is, they had a much larger audience than on 960 currently, and enough ratings that they were kept as PMD hosts for a couple of years…

They had decent ratings initially and saw a precipitous decline in their last few books--being as we're not supposed to quote numbers here, I think you should have a look at the 12+ and 25-54m numbers for that time period--they weren't miserable failures, but not getting the job done, that's for sure--the primary reason Goyette was moved out of his time slot I might add.

Speaking of Goyette, I've read that column before, but in radio it's about two things, generating revenue and RATINGS. Saying that 'management found my anti-war comments unfavorable and that's why they fired me' is a real convenient excuse for your own failures, but again the reality is that Chuckie pulled a whopping 21st place! He was also the victim of significant ratings decline over his last few books. Your conspiracy theory holds no water because Clear Channel has many voices disagreeing with the war--in fact, they had an Air-America affiliate in their mighty empire of stations. At last check, Air-America would not be a fan of the war in Iraq, thus Charles should probably find another excuse that can't have holes poked through it in 5 seconds.

If he is such a big-time host, why has he been fired (or released) from every station in this market (virtually) in the last 4 years? I have a feeling my question will be answered with a cliche or three, "well, he's on stations that have poor signals, a poor listener base, no promotion... blah blah blah". Good hosts overcome adversity and rise to the top, bad hosts (as with any profession) find excuses as to why they fail and fall-back on them--see Dopie and Agony (and their fan base) or the guy earlier in this thread actually trying to justify the poor performance of 1480/1010 Air-America. Remember, it's about ratings 99% of the time.

 

[ajhenderson]

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[NewsVet]

[ read other reports from folks that were there (see Screw Loose Change) and watched some videos. The Holocaust denier was allowed to get up and speak with a panel and sell his offensive material at his table. Right next to the Air America table.

Face it, Air America in Phoenix and its talent helped support this kook fest, they should be embarassed as hell.

But you falsely claim or imply that the conference was about holocaust denial and that Williams talked about that issue and sold his holocaust denial book. The facts are that the conference was about 911, that Williams spoke very briefly with a panel about 911, and that he did NOT sell his holocaust denial book. Criticize the conference for all the talk about 911 conspiracies if you must, but there was NOTHING about holocaust denial!

 

[NewsVet]

He was also the victim of significant ratings decline over his last few books. Your conspiracy theory holds no water because Clear Channel has many voices disagreeing with the war--in fact, they had an Air-America affiliate in their mighty empire of stations. At last check, Air-America would not be a fan of the war in Iraq, thus Charles should probably find another excuse that can't have holes poked through it in 5 seconds.

"They had an Air-America affiliate?" Huh? Clear Channel has a lot of Air America affiliates, including stations in San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland, Denver, Miami, Madison, and Washington, D.C. The Portland station is a tremendous success with great ratings and the rest are doing well enough that Clear Channel has continued to carry Air America and other progressive talk programs on them for more than two years or, in some cases, for almost three years.

 

[Legend City]

[ read other reports from folks that were there (see Screw Loose Change) and watched some videos. The Holocaust denier was allowed to get up and speak with a panel and sell his offensive material at his table. Right next to the Air America table.

Face it, Air America in Phoenix and its talent helped support this kook fest, they should be embarassed as hell.

But you falsely claim or imply that the conference was about holocaust denial and that Williams talked about that issue and sold his holocaust denial book. The facts are that the conference was about 911, that Williams spoke very briefly with a panel about 911, and that he did NOT sell his holocaust denial book. Criticize the conference for all the talk about 911 conspiracies if you must, but there was NOTHING about holocaust denial!

Get real, the conference wasn't about holocaust denial. I never said that the focus of the conference was on that.

I said, and continue to say, that the conference allowed a published holocaust denier to be one of the major people planning the event, then he supposedly dropped out of all involvement, but that he really didn't because he was still there, still spoke and had a booth.

And, Air America should be ashamed that one of their local hosts had any involvement with the the whole thing.

Get it?

Now, if say, a conservative host in the valley was a speaker at such an event, say a white power group (for example, or fill in your own cause), the left would be barbecuing the guy, and quite rightly so.

Don't even say they wouldn't. Fariah should be ashamed of himself for consorting with these folk.

 

[NewsVet]

Get real, the conference wasn't about holocaust denial. I never said that the focus of the conference was on that.

I said, and continue to say, that the conference allowed a published holocaust denier to be one of the major people planning the event, then he supposedly dropped out of all involvement, but that he really didn't because he was still there, still spoke and had a booth.

And, Air America should be ashamed that one of their local hosts had any involvement with the the whole thing.

Get it?

Now, if say, a conservative host in the valley was a speaker at such an event, say a white power group (for example, or fill in your own cause), the left would be barbecuing the guy, and quite rightly so.

Don't even say they wouldn't. Fariah should be ashamed of himself for consorting with these folk.

You called it a "Holocaust denying kook festival," when it had nothing to do with the holocaust or holocaust denial! And now you're denying that you said that? Go back and read your own post!

Again, it wasn't about "holocaust denial," Williams didn't speak about holocaust denial, and he didn't sell his holocaust denial book. And Farias didn't know the guy's background and when it became a big issue, Fariah and everybody else were told that Williams wouldn't be speaking after all. And your comparison with a "white power group" is nonsense, because THIS WAS NOT A HOLOCAUST DENIAL CONFERENCE OR "GROUP."

 

[Legend City]

Yeah, well sorry you didn't get my hyperbole.

OK, its a kook festival with holocaust deniers in it.

Fariah should be ashamed of himself for being part of it.

Hey, if David Duke came here and did a conference about a colon blow product and a local talk host was the emcee, would it matter that the conference was only about colon blow?

Or would people be right in criticizing the local talk show host for working with such a person?

At least someone in this town raised some questions about the questionable folks running this kook fest.

 

[NewsVet]

So it's only "hyperbole" to claim that a conference is about something that wasn't even mentioned at the conference, by anybody?

And, again, Farias didn't know the guy's background and when it became an issue, Farias and everybody else was told that the guy wouldn't be speaking. As for David Duke, everybody knows who he is. I'd never heard of Williams and I'm sure hardly anybody else had either.

 

[j henry waugh]

Yeah, well sorry you didn't get my hyperbole.

OK, its a kook festival with holocaust deniers in it.

Fariah should be ashamed of himself for being part of it.

Hey, if David Duke came here and did a conference about a colon blow product and a local talk host was the emcee, would it matter that the conference was only about colon blow?

Or would people be right in criticizing the local talk show host for working with such a person?

At least someone in this town raised some questions about the questionable folks running this kook fest.

Genetic Fallacy

As far as calling truth seekers "kooks", well, perhaps you prefer to be an ostrich, but others quest for the truth… …not that I agree about 9/11 being an "inside job", or that SOME kooks have affiliated themselves with the 9/11 truth movement, but there are a number of unanswered questions that "official" reports have not adequately addressed… …your disbelief is your OPINION, especially considering that so much the evidence has been concealed from public sharing…