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Next move for W292DV, 106.3 Translator
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Barry said:
Cumulus didn't lodge a complaint when the translator was broadcasting from Manhattan last year at roughly 100 Watts if I remember correctly. Why do you think they would do it now and do you think there are so many llisteners now that would as opposed to last year? And yes I suppose many could lodge a formal complaint if infact it did effect the listening area but how does the FCC know it's valid if no one verifies?. Also there are many more pirates that cause interferenceto suburban signals in and around Brooklyn and the Bronx. It would seem to me that the FCC might want to concern themselves with illegitimate stations operating than translators.
Jeffrey said:
The W292DV translator last summer was further southwest in Manhattan, and may not have produced significant interence to WDVY (WFAF was the call at the time). Furthermore, WFAF was simulcasting WFAS, which had a stronger signal in that area. So there would be little or no reason to be listening to WFAF in Manhattan, with WFAS 103.9 being the superior signal.
But the new location for W292DV in northern Queens could interfere with WDVY in the Bronx. The station the latter is now simulcasting, Kicks 105 has no significant signal in the Bronx, but WDVY is listenable there. So if WDVY is significantly interfered with by the translator, fans of WDBY and country music may not be able to listen in the Bronx. If they complain, the rules are that the translator must shut down, pending rectification of the situation.
The fact there are unlicensed stations flouting the law does not justify ignoring the rules for licensed ones.
I checked the F.C.C. FM database this morning for W292DV. The application for the translator to move from Manhattan to Long Island City, reduce power and retransmit WVIP that this thread is about is no longer listed.
I wonder whether the application by the owner of the translator has been withdrawn, is being revised, or whether there is perhaps a mistake in the F.C.C. listings.
The only recent application that is listed now is to continue the STA to keep the 106.3 translator in Manhattan silent, pending efforts to work out the interference it creates. That one was granted by the F.C.C.
Speaking of WVIP 93.5, I see that the F.C.C. granted their request to operate an auxiliary FM transmitter at the station's New Rochelle location. This is in addition to their main site in northern Bronx.
I wonder whether the application by the owner of the translator has been withdrawn, is being revised, or whether there is perhaps a mistake in the F.C.C. listings.
The only recent application that is listed now is to continue the STA to keep the 106.3 translator in Manhattan silent, pending efforts to work out the interference it creates. That one was granted by the F.C.C.
Speaking of WVIP 93.5, I see that the F.C.C. granted their request to operate an auxiliary FM transmitter at the station's New Rochelle location. This is in addition to their main site in northern Bronx.
The application to move the W292DV 106.3 translator from Manhattan to Long Island City and rebroadcast WVIP 93.5, was apparently granted today by the F.C.C.
I wonder whether it will be used to rebroadcast the main WVIP signal, or one of their 3 HD subchannels. Perhaps the HD2 or HD3 will change format to one that is appropriate for the area that will be reached by the new translator.
I hope that it will not cause local interference to the two country stations on 106.3, WDVY and WKMK.
New W292DV Construction Permit: http://licensing.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/pubacc/Auth_Files/1489009.pdf
Signal Map: https://licensing.fcc.gov/cdbs/CDBS...?appn=101489009&qnum=5160©num=1&exhcnum=1
I wonder whether it will be used to rebroadcast the main WVIP signal, or one of their 3 HD subchannels. Perhaps the HD2 or HD3 will change format to one that is appropriate for the area that will be reached by the new translator.
I hope that it will not cause local interference to the two country stations on 106.3, WDVY and WKMK.
New W292DV Construction Permit: http://licensing.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/pubacc/Auth_Files/1489009.pdf
Signal Map: https://licensing.fcc.gov/cdbs/CDBS...?appn=101489009&qnum=5160©num=1&exhcnum=1
I'm fuzzy about a few things, being out of the business for so long.
1) Who erased the minumum s p a c i n g rules? From the way I understand it, a translator signal is quite similar to that of a class-D LPFM. The latter is supposed to 42 miles from the tower of a second-adjacent Class B. Not right out the window and across a river from one.
b) More recently I'd heard of that 12-mile exclusitivity ruling -- the one regarding the 10.7 mHz blanketing. Obviously, a station on 106.3 wouldn't interfere with other FM commercial broadcasts. Instead, 117.0 would be affected.
Just doing the math, would that mean all stations from 88.1 to 97.1 on those second-adjacents who wanted to 'move in' would be ineligible .... and therefore that translators could be built in NYC on 97.5, 98.3, 99.1, 99.9, 100.7, and so on?
c) What did 105.9 WQXR have to say about any of the new construction?
1) Who erased the minumum s p a c i n g rules? From the way I understand it, a translator signal is quite similar to that of a class-D LPFM. The latter is supposed to 42 miles from the tower of a second-adjacent Class B. Not right out the window and across a river from one.
b) More recently I'd heard of that 12-mile exclusitivity ruling -- the one regarding the 10.7 mHz blanketing. Obviously, a station on 106.3 wouldn't interfere with other FM commercial broadcasts. Instead, 117.0 would be affected.
Just doing the math, would that mean all stations from 88.1 to 97.1 on those second-adjacents who wanted to 'move in' would be ineligible .... and therefore that translators could be built in NYC on 97.5, 98.3, 99.1, 99.9, 100.7, and so on?
c) What did 105.9 WQXR have to say about any of the new construction?
Steve Green NEPA said:
1) A waiver of the rules was requested and granted because it was shown that no actual interference will be caused by the translator. for second-adjacent WQXR, the translator's interfering contour would be 132 dBu, which extends no more than 11 meters from the antenna. Because the antenna will be more than 11 meters from the rooftop of the building, the interference doesn't reach the roof top, let alone the ground. Same thing for WLTW, for which the interfering contour only extends 3 meters from the antenna.
2) I'm not really sure what you're asking about 10.7 MHz Intermediate Frequency spacing, but it doesn't apply to stations less than 100 watts, so it's a non-issue for this translator.
3) See 1.
93.5 had their transmitter on top of an apartment building in Yonkers before the Bronx move. They are probably getting rid of that (why pay rent) and putting an aux at their studio instead.
It's got nothing to do with protecting northern coverage since that's measured from their main...the aux coverage must stay within the contours of the main.
That translator would probably also work well for 94.7.
It's got nothing to do with protecting northern coverage since that's measured from their main...the aux coverage must stay within the contours of the main.
That translator would probably also work well for 94.7.
After rechecking the F.C.C. database a short while ago, I just realized that it authorized the Long Island City translator to run only 25 watts. The original application was for 40.
I wonder whether the F.C.C. trimmed the permissible power, or if there was a change in the application from the translator operator.
Perhaps if this translator can operate at the approved low power and height without generating significant interference complaints from the listeners of the two local stations on 106.3, there will be other applications for translators within city limits.
I wonder whether the F.C.C. trimmed the permissible power, or if there was a change in the application from the translator operator.
Perhaps if this translator can operate at the approved low power and height without generating significant interference complaints from the listeners of the two local stations on 106.3, there will be other applications for translators within city limits.
It is probably impossible to predict beyond a short distance from the translator where it will have a listenable signal. If it reaches well into the Bronx, it is possible that listeners to Kicks on WDVY 106.3 will complain of interference. I heard them mention on the air this morning that they have listeners in the Bronx.Jeffrey said:
If the translator's signal can be heard in much of Brooklyn, fans of Thunder Country 106.3 may get riled up once again, as they did with the previous 106.3 translator location.
But it is also possible that with only 25 watts from a low elevation, at a location in between the two country stations' signals, there will be little if any interference with them.
As for having any effect on the unlicensed Caribbean broadcasts, that can't be a serious comment. WRTN's programming is primarily infomercials aimed at the West Indian community. Relatively little music is played. While I am not condoning pirate stations, the large amount of them do offer diversity to Caribbean listeners, with a wide variety of programming. Even in the Bronx, near WRTN's antenna, I hear many unlicensed West Indian stations, but have never heard a radio tuned to WRTN.
There is already an incredible amount of interfence on 106.3 in the Bronx and Brooklyn because of the pirates so I fail to see how a 25 watt translator would provoke any complaints from the 15 people within the 5 boroughs listening to 2 seperate suburban country stations that happen to be on the same frequency.
There is definitely no current interference from pirate stations on 106.3 in the Bronx. I have been in several different parts of it during the week.Jeffrey said:
I am not as sure about the situation in Brooklyn. When I passed through it late last year, there was no interference on WKMK 106.3 in the southern half of the borough, where its signal is strongest.
But even if there were strong signals from pirates, listeners to WDVY do not have to tolerate additional interference from a translator.
But as I previously mentioned, hopefully due to the fact that the translator will be located about midway between the signals from WKMK and WDVY, and will run low power from only about 40 meters elevation, it will not cause significant interference to them.
It will be interesting to find out whether they WVIP will use the translator to retransmit the programming of one of their HD side channels, as is being done in many other cities. They would probably be glad to lease them.
the pirates aren't 24/7 and tend to broadcast more in the evening but if you are in the Bronx and northern Manhattan on a regular basis you will definitely hear pirates on 106.3 with regularity. In Brooklyn it's worse. Although you can go several days without hearing the pirates on 106.3 they then come back with a vengence.
On another note, not sure if the translator could possibly already be testing but driving the LIE past the midtown tunnel this evening all the way into Nassau county there was a west indian format going on and off the air sporadically. Didn't sound like the usual pirate and I've never heard it all the way out past Queens.
On another note, not sure if the translator could possibly already be testing but driving the LIE past the midtown tunnel this evening all the way into Nassau county there was a west indian format going on and off the air sporadically. Didn't sound like the usual pirate and I've never heard it all the way out past Queens.
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