Next move for W292DV, 106.3 Translator

[Jeffrey]

On another note, not sure if the translator could possibly already be testing but driving the LIE past the midtown tunnel this evening all the way into Nassau county there was a west indian format going on and off the air sporadically. Didn't sound like the usual pirate and I've never heard it all the way out past Queens.

If you hear this again, you could simply check if it is the same programming that is being broadcast from WVIP 93.5. I believe translators cannot originate separate programming, even when testing.

I did check WVIP and it wasn't the same broadcast as what was on 106.3. Didn't know translators couldn't originate seperate programming even while testing so it must have been a pirate...maybe a new or more powerful one...who knows. Good luck to any translator that goes on 106.3 from LIC. They can forget being heard with all the interference.

 

[Barry]

The translator operator has now filed for a License to Cover, indicating that W292DV has already been set up, and is ready to go. It was installed within 2 weeks from the time the F.C.C. authorized it. But it was probably a relatively simple job to put the translator in place.
I wonder whether they will be satisfied with this 25 watt facility, or will soon apply to move it and/or raise its power once again, following approval of the License to Cover.

 

[nd2023]

Press won't allow them to increase their power on 106.3. They can only move to 105.7-106.9, or 95.7. If they go to 95.7, they can then move to 95.9, which is a better frequency in NYC.

Clear Channel no longer wants this translator after Press shot down their hopes of launching a new station on 106.3.

 

[badjef]

Press won't allow them to increase their power on 106.3. They can only move to 105.7-106.9, or 95.7. If they go to 95.7, they can then move to 95.9, which is a better frequency in NYC.

Clear Channel no longer wants this translator after Press shot down their hopes of launching a new station on 106.3.

Since the 106.3 translator sits outside of WKMK's protected contour, Press won't, legally, have a lot to say about it. But, they can send letters and of protest and make life miserable for them. Thereby convincing them to look at other possible frequencies.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

 

[reelyreal]

Press won't allow them to increase their power on 106.3. They can only move to 105.7-106.9, or 95.7. If they go to 95.7, they can then move to 95.9, which is a better frequency in NYC.

Clear Channel no longer wants this translator after Press shot down their hopes of launching a new station on 106.3.

Since the 106.3 translator sits outside of WKMK's protected contour, Press won't, legally, have a lot to say about it. But, they can send letters and of protest and make life miserable for them. Thereby convincing them to look at other possible frequencies.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

Not true, a translator can not cause interference to listeners of a station, whether that translator is within the protected contour or not, and whether the listener is in the full power station's contour or not. If there's a complaint of interference, the translator has to shut down until the interference is "resolved." contours don't matter when it comes to interference caused by translators.

 

[badjef]

Press won't allow them to increase their power on 106.3. They can only move to 105.7-106.9, or 95.7. If they go to 95.7, they can then move to 95.9, which is a better frequency in NYC.

Clear Channel no longer wants this translator after Press shot down their hopes of launching a new station on 106.3.

Since the 106.3 translator sits outside of WKMK's protected contour, Press won't, legally, have a lot to say about it. But, they can send letters and of protest and make life miserable for them. Thereby convincing them to look at other possible frequencies.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

Not true, a translator can not cause interference to listeners of a station, whether that translator is within the protected contour or not, and whether the listener is in the full power station's contour or not. If there's a complaint of interference, the translator has to shut down until the interference is "resolved." contours don't matter when it comes to interference caused by translators.

OK, let me try this again, if the interference from the translator is outside of the protected contour, then Press won't, legally, have a lot to say about it.

That better, counsel?

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

 

[reelyreal]

Press won't allow them to increase their power on 106.3. They can only move to 105.7-106.9, or 95.7. If they go to 95.7, they can then move to 95.9, which is a better frequency in NYC.

Clear Channel no longer wants this translator after Press shot down their hopes of launching a new station on 106.3.

Since the 106.3 translator sits outside of WKMK's protected contour, Press won't, legally, have a lot to say about it. But, they can send letters and of protest and make life miserable for them. Thereby convincing them to look at other possible frequencies.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

Not true, a translator can not cause interference to listeners of a station, whether that translator is within the protected contour or not, and whether the listener is in the full power station's contour or not. If there's a complaint of interference, the translator has to shut down until the interference is "resolved." contours don't matter when it comes to interference caused by translators.

OK, let me try this again, if the interference from the translator is outside of the protected contour, then Press won't, legally, have a lot to say about it.

That better, counsel?

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

No, it's still wrong. ANY interference caused by a translator to a full-power station is unacceptable, regardless of contours. If I live outside the WKMK contour and I complain of interference because of the new translator, WKMK can complain to the FCC, letters in hand, and have the translator shut down.

That's what happened last time.

 

[badjef]

Press won't allow them to increase their power on 106.3. They can only move to 105.7-106.9, or 95.7. If they go to 95.7, they can then move to 95.9, which is a better frequency in NYC.

Clear Channel no longer wants this translator after Press shot down their hopes of launching a new station on 106.3.

Since the 106.3 translator sits outside of WKMK's protected contour, Press won't, legally, have a lot to say about it. But, they can send letters and of protest and make life miserable for them. Thereby convincing them to look at other possible frequencies.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

Not true, a translator can not cause interference to listeners of a station, whether that translator is within the protected contour or not, and whether the listener is in the full power station's contour or not. If there's a complaint of interference, the translator has to shut down until the interference is "resolved." contours don't matter when it comes to interference caused by translators.

OK, let me try this again, if the interference from the translator is outside of the protected contour, then Press won't, legally, have a lot to say about it.

That better, counsel?

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

No, it's still wrong. ANY interference caused by a translator to a full-power station is unacceptable, regardless of contours. If I live outside the WKMK contour and I complain of interference because of the new translator, WKMK can complain to the FCC, letters in hand, and have the translator shut down.

That's what happened last time.

They may have decided it wasn't worth the hassle.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

 

[Barry]

I heard the translator on the air for the first time this afternoon. I heard it while traveling through the southern part of the Bronx.
It was overriding the signal of WDVY (Kicks Country) on 106.3. Ironically the translator was rebroadcasting WVIP HD2, Country Hits HD. So for the moment, NYC has a (small) country music signal on regular FM.

 

[Jeffrey]

I heard the translator on the air for the first time this afternoon. I heard it while traveling through the southern part of the Bronx.
It was overriding the signal of WDVY (Kicks Country) on 106.3. Ironically the translator was rebroadcasting WVIP HD2, Country Hits HD. So for the moment, NYC has a (small) country music signal on regular FM.

Yesterday it was transmitting WVIP-HD1. Comes in very well in Brooklyn and better in midtown.

 

[ansky212]

I don't care what they're airing. At least this time they're not interfering with my reception of WKMK in NJ.

 

[Barry]

Now that a translator is back on the air on 106.3 (albeit with lower power and height), Thunder Country's website is again encouraging listeners to send in letters of complaint. They have a map indicating potential areas of interference.
So far, there is no mention of the translator on the website of Kicks 105/106.3. As previously posted, I experienced interference with their signal from the translator, in the southern part of the Bronx.
I wonder whether it is WVIP's intention to continue broadcasting the country programming of the HD3 on the translator, or whether this is temporary. They could switch to a rebroadcast of the main signal, or lease out one of their HD channels.

Thunder Country Appeal to Listeners: http://thunder106.com/thunder-106-interference

 

[KyleSmith1988]

WKMK only has to get a few complaints and the translator would have to be take down...again.
I wonder if WKMK can state that they already won the case last year and shouldn't have to go thru this process again.

One solution is for the 106.3 translator to get LMA'd from it's owner to Press for relay of WKMK.
similar to how 101.5 W268AN simulcasted 105.3 on Long Island.
If not over the air, maybe an internet stream or even STL...like how 106.3 & 106.5 are synced.
It would make lot of people happy, but I know it likely won't happen.
But anything other than that, WKMK will try relentlessly to get it shot & shut down... :

 

[fybush]

One solution is for the 106.3 translator to get LMA'd from it's owner to Press for relay of WKMK.
similar to how 101.5 W268AN simulcasted 105.3 on Long Island.

FCC rules don't allow that. Because the translator is outside WKMK's protected contour, it can't be owned by, or receive any support from, WKMK.

 

[Jeffrey]

One solution is for the 106.3 translator to get LMA'd from it's owner to Press for relay of WKMK.
similar to how 101.5 W268AN simulcasted 105.3 on Long Island.

FCC rules don't allow that. Because the translator is outside WKMK's protected contour, it can't be owned by, or receive any support from, WKMK.

so if the translator is outside of WKMK's protrected countour why does WKMK have the right to shut it down as they did last time?

 

[Barry]

so if the translator is outside of WKMK's protrected countour why does WKMK have the right to shut it down as they did last time?

Jeffrey, I remember you asking this previously, and having it explained, probably more than once.
As you were told in the past, the F.C.C. rules require that if there are complaints from listeners of a regular station on the same frequency as a translator, whether it is in the protected contour or not, the latter must shut down. The owners then need to address the situation. If they are not successful in answering the complaints, the translator cannot continue operating.
As I recently posted, an example was a translator in Detroit that had to shut down because some listeners of WIOT, a station about 50 miles away in Toledo Ohio, complained they could not hear that station while traveling in the Detroit area, due to interference.
My impression is that as a regular on this board, you already know this, but are just expressing disagreement with the rule. You appear to have an agenda against country music being available on the radio in New York (ie WKMK Thunder country), as you have been denigrating the format for a long time.

 

[Jeffrey]

so if the translator is outside of WKMK's protrected countour why does WKMK have the right to shut it down as they did last time?

Jeffrey, I remember you asking this previously, and having it explained, probably more than once.
As you were told in the past, the F.C.C. rules require that if there are complaints from listeners of a regular station on the same frequency as a translator, whether it is in the protected contour or not, the latter must shut down. The owners then need to address the situation. If they are not successful in answering the complaints, the translator cannot continue operating.
As I recently posted, an example was a translator in Detroit that had to shut down because some listeners of WIOT, a station about 50 miles away in Toledo Ohio, complained they could not hear that station while traveling in the Detroit area, due to interference.
My impression is that as a regular on this board, you already know this, but are just expressing disagreement with the rule. You appear to have an agenda against country music being available on the radio in New York (ie WKMK Thunder country), as you have been denigrating the format for a long time.

thanks for setting me straight. As a regular on this board I express my disagreement or agreement with things I like or don't just as do you and others on this board. Perhaps that's why we post on a radio board....
Frankly whether or not I have an agenda against country music being available on the radio in New York is irrelevant in this post. WKMK does not reach NYC accept for southern Brooklyn and Staten Island so any comment I may or may not make about the translator has nothing to do with that.
The translator is currently playing country from WVIP HD-3 so maybe my arguing against complaints by WKMK is because I want an audible country formattted station in New York.. :

 

[bigtom101]

My impression is that as a regular on this board, you already know this, but are just expressing disagreement with the rule. You appear to have an agenda against country music being available on the radio in New York (ie WKMK Thunder country), as you have been denigrating the format for a long time.

WKMK is licensed to serve Eatontown NJ....despite all the on air posturing, it is a Monmouth/Northern Ocean/Middlesex station. NOT a NYC station. Whatever coverage it gets in Staten Island/Brooklyn/Queens is a bonus...hell, unless I'm in the car (or have a Grundig or Insignia HD Portable), I can't get it. Or on Long Island, WBLI smashes the crap out of it...and north of Union WHCY and WDVY gang up on it. Hell, if the translator relays the country format on WLTW HD-2, I'd support it rather than try to futz with trying to pull in WKMK or WDVY for a country fix.

Or, you could just listen to all the country stations online and quit kvetching about it not being OTA in NYC.

 

[ansky212]

Give WKMK a break. I would bet that if anyone here owned a radio station and your listeners were complaining that some translator signed on and intefered with reception, you would do anything possible to protect those listeners, regardless of where they are or what your contour says. And what WKMK is doing is perfectly legal and within their rights. I live outside the magic WKMK "contour" but because I live up on a hill I get perfect stereo reception. I even have an old radio with a broken off antenna and I can still pull it in clearly. So you can't just look at a circle on a map.

 

[Jeffrey]

according to Radio Locator the transmiter is broadcasting on 106.3 from Manhattan at 99 watts at 889 ft. and Long Island City at 25 watts at 141 ft. If that were the case the signal should be quite strong which it's not.
They don't appear to be transmiting from LIC today. There's no signal in Long Island City itself (just static)but it is coming in intermittently in midtown Manhattan. Northern Brooklyn has somewhat of a signal but the signal today is so weak that I can't imagine anyone could actually be listening to it. They're still broadcasting WVIP-HD3 and it sounds like it's coming from a tin can. The audio is bad but then again so is the audio of WVIP-HD3 itself.