Nielsen DMA rankings, 2010-11

[JackBauer112]

What about the Solano County region, it's very odd to see that stations like KNTV are available to Vallejo and Benecia, but when you go to Fairfield and Vacaville, you get KCRA instead... But anyway's the DMA in the SF #6 and Sac #20 is West Solano County belongs in the San Francisco Bay Area while East Solano County belongs to Sacramento/Stockton/Modesto. Weird thing huh?

 

[kilamanjero]

Just out of curiousity, how many markets have CW Plus and a broadcast CW station?

I'm aware of Boise, Savannah, and Myrtle Beach are three such situations. I cannot think of any others, but that doesn't mean there aren't any.

- Trip

Montgomery is another one of those such situations where its CW affiliate is over the air on WBMM, channel 22 "CW Montgomery" as well as on the digital sub-channel of sister station WNCF on 32.2.

 

[Nate Wesley]

Just out of curiousity, how many markets have CW Plus and a broadcast CW station?

I'm aware of Boise, Savannah, and Myrtle Beach are three such situations. I cannot think of any others, but that doesn't mean there aren't any.

- Trip

Montgomery is another one of those such situations where its CW affiliate is over the air on WBMM, channel 22 "CW Montgomery" as well as on the digital sub-channel of sister station WNCF on 32.2.

The CW Plus/CW affiliate split seems to make it extra confusing for local TV listings--well, at least for my cable provider. I live in a part of Alabama getting both Montgomery and Mobile network affils, and we clearly get CW Montgomery on channel 70 (thanks to local commercial inserts). But trying to look up accurate listings for it proves fruitless, as both TitanTV and TV Guide note my location having WFNA 55 (formerly WBPG) out of Gulf Shores/Mobile.

 

[tripinva]

Montgomery is another one of those such situations where its CW affiliate is over the air on WBMM, channel 22 "CW Montgomery" as well as on the digital sub-channel of sister station WNCF on 32.2.

To my knowledge, Montgomery is actually not one of those areas. As far as I know, both WBMM and WNCF air the same programming. I could be wrong, but neither signal covers the whole market and so it would make sense for them to be a simulcast.

- Trip

 

[ding12]

What about the Solano County region, it's very odd to see that stations like KNTV are available to Vallejo and Benecia, but when you go to Fairfield and Vacaville, you get KCRA instead... But anyway's the DMA in the SF #6 and Sac #20 is West Solano County belongs in the San Francisco Bay Area while East Solano County belongs to Sacramento/Stockton/Modesto. Weird thing huh?

I suppose because the county is large (area wise) 829.19 sq miles Nielsen splits the county.

Well larger than the typical East coast county in the Bos-Wash corridor.

And, likely enough TV HH/density on the east side of the county that Sacramento wants to claim its fair share, and SF wants to claim its fair share.

But usually Nielsen seems averse to splitting up counties.

 

[ShawnHill1]

What about the Solano County region, it's very odd to see that stations like KNTV are available to Vallejo and Benecia, but when you go to Fairfield and Vacaville, you get KCRA instead... But anyway's the DMA in the SF #6 and Sac #20 is West Solano County belongs in the San Francisco Bay Area while East Solano County belongs to Sacramento/Stockton/Modesto. Weird thing huh?

I suppose because the county is large (area wise) 829.19 sq miles Nielsen splits the county.

Well larger than the typical East coast county in the Bos-Wash corridor.

And, likely enough TV HH/density on the east side of the county that Sacramento wants to claim its fair share, and SF wants to claim its fair share.

But usually Nielsen seems averse to splitting up counties.

Another weird situation is Riverside County, California...its split into three DMAs--the western third is part of Los Angeles, the central portion is its own (Palm Springs), and the eastern end is claimed by Phoenix (and of course, the Phoenix DMA is a very geographical area, due to the number of translators each station has throughout northern and central Arizona). You can even unofficially add Riverside County as a part of the San Diego DMA as well, at least along the far-southern edge of Riverside County along the Interstate 15 corridor, where they receive both S.D. and L.A. TV, and one of the San Diego stations (indie KUSI) has a translator in Temecula.

I believe, last I checked, even Kern County (Bakersfield), to the north of Los Angeles County, is also split into two DMAs--the southeastern corner is claimed by L.A., and the rest is all Bakersfield.

 

[dhett]

Another weird situation is Riverside County, California...its split into three DMAs--the western third is part of Los Angeles, the central portion is its own (Palm Springs), and the eastern end is claimed by Phoenix (and of course, the Phoenix DMA is a very geographical area, due to the number of translators each station has throughout northern and central Arizona). You can even unofficially add Riverside County as a part of the San Diego DMA as well, at least along the far-southern edge of Riverside County along the Interstate 15 corridor, where they receive both S.D. and L.A. TV, and one of the San Diego stations (indie KUSI) has a translator in Temecula.

Is eastern Riverside County still in the Phoenix DMA? The five Blythe translators are now dark that brought in the Phoenix stations. Meanwhile, all of the Yuma/El Centro full-power stations put strong signals into Blythe.

 

[Markxxx]

Here's a link to a clickable map of DMAs

Just click on the colored area for a detailed map of what counties are in which DMA. I am not sure how accurate it still is, but it's the only map I could find online. It says 2005 - 2010 on main maps but 2007 on clicked maps. So some things probably have changed, but it'll give you an idea

 

[KML0224]

It shows Hartford/New Haven correctly (Connecticut minus Fairfield County).

 

[ShawnHill1]

Another weird situation is Riverside County, California...its split into three DMAs--the western third is part of Los Angeles, the central portion is its own (Palm Springs), and the eastern end is claimed by Phoenix (and of course, the Phoenix DMA is a very geographical area, due to the number of translators each station has throughout northern and central Arizona). You can even unofficially add Riverside County as a part of the San Diego DMA as well, at least along the far-southern edge of Riverside County along the Interstate 15 corridor, where they receive both S.D. and L.A. TV, and one of the San Diego stations (indie KUSI) has a translator in Temecula.

Is eastern Riverside County still in the Phoenix DMA? The five Blythe translators are now dark that brought in the Phoenix stations. Meanwhile, all of the Yuma/El Centro full-power stations put strong signals into Blythe.

According to the map link that Mark put up...eastern Riverside County is now part of the Los Angeles DMA. It must have been changed within the last year.

 

[dhett]

Is eastern Riverside County still in the Phoenix DMA? The five Blythe translators are now dark that brought in the Phoenix stations. Meanwhile, all of the Yuma/El Centro full-power stations put strong signals into Blythe.

According to the map link that Mark put up...eastern Riverside County is now part of the Los Angeles DMA. It must have been changed within the last year.

Which makes even less sense, as no LA-area OTA signal reaches Blythe by any means.

 

[kilamanjero]

Just out of curiousity, how many markets have CW Plus and a broadcast CW station?

I'm aware of Boise, Savannah, and Myrtle Beach are three such situations. I cannot think of any others, but that doesn't mean there aren't any.

- Trip

Montgomery is another one of those such situations where its CW affiliate is over the air on WBMM, channel 22 "CW Montgomery" as well as on the digital sub-channel of sister station WNCF on 32.2.

The CW Plus/CW affiliate split seems to make it extra confusing for local TV listings--well, at least for my cable provider. I live in a part of Alabama getting both Montgomery and Mobile network affils, and we clearly get CW Montgomery on channel 70 (thanks to local commercial inserts). But trying to look up accurate listings for it proves fruitless, as both TitanTV and TV Guide note my location having WFNA 55 (formerly WBPG) out of Gulf Shores/Mobile.

Yeah, people in Lee County encounters something very similar. It's weird how the market areas aren't clearly delineated in these portions of Alabama.

 

[landtuna]

Phoenix's growth was anemic and it may find itself overtaken by Seattle.

Phoenix's in-migration hasn't changed much but the exodus, particularly of illegals, has caused an overall reduction in the normally high growth rate.

It's kind of a laugher to see Prescott included in the Phx DMA. Prescott is 90 miles away and has one bottom-dwelling indie station.

 

[KeithE4]

It's kind of a laugher to see Prescott included in the Phx DMA. Prescott is 90 miles away and has one bottom-dwelling indie station.

But they get all other TV from Phoenix stations via translators or the bird, as do all locations in Arizona north of I-8. That's why the entire northern 2/3 of the state outside of the Navajo Nation is the Phoenix market, although Mojave County (far NW Arizona) really should be part of the Las Vegas market. They have translators of Phoenix and LV stations in most Mojave County towns, as well as a below-bottom-dweller Spanish-language station in Kingman.

 

[KML0224]

I was going to say that would be because of the time zone difference? Then again, that can't be why, since you have the Yuma/El Centro market split that way to the south along the border.

 

[KeithE4]

I was going to say that would be because of the time zone difference? Then again, that can't be why, since you have the Yuma/El Centro market split that way to the south along the border.

Nope. It's because there are only three metro areas in the state that are large enough to support standalone network-affiliated stations: Phoenix, Tucson, and Yuma.

 

[dhett]

I was going to say that would be because of the time zone difference? Then again, that can't be why, since you have the Yuma/El Centro market split that way to the south along the border.

No, time zone differences don't come into play at all. There are many markets across the US that span more than one time zone.