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NIGHTS WITH: Alice Cooper

R

RK

WHY hasn't some station picked up this show?
NIGHTS WITH: Alice Cooper

It does very well on most stations and at worst holds its' own on others.

I can see Rock 107 never picking it up because Shamrock has a bitter hatred for anything that would cost money & that cannot be done "in house".

What about 102.3 The Mountain? - Entercom has the $$$ to spend and with The Mountains' trend toward lower ratings, that might be a nice "pick me up" for listenership. Delilah? Geez if they can broadcast her, and the .01 share she gives EZ, Alice might give a decent boost and provide an alternative on 102.3

104.9 The River - Bold Gold really hasn't expressed its' desire to become known as a classic rock station, despite that being what it truely sounds like.

97.9X - Would that show work on here? Too old? But 97.9 plays Zeppelin. Cooper is just as hard-sounding, possibly more so. The X has attracted more older listeners since the shift towards older material. A fit here? Hmmm interesting!

Thoughts? Opinions? Yay/Nay
 
> WHY hasn't some station picked up this show?
> NIGHTS WITH: Alice Cooper
>
> It does very well on most stations and at worst holds its'
> own on others.
>
> I can see Rock 107 never picking it up because Shamrock has
> a bitter hatred for anything that would cost money & that
> cannot be done "in house".
>
> What about 102.3 The Mountain? - Entercom has the $$$ to
> spend and with The Mountains' trend toward lower ratings,
> that might be a nice "pick me up" for listenership. Delilah?
> Geez if they can broadcast her, and the .01 share she gives
> EZ, Alice might give a decent boost and provide an
> alternative on 102.3
>
> 104.9 The River - Bold Gold really hasn't expressed its'
> desire to become known as a classic rock station, despite
> that being what it truely sounds like.
>
> 97.9X - Would that show work on here? Too old? But 97.9
> plays Zeppelin. Cooper is just as hard-sounding, possibly
> more so. The X has attracted more older listeners since the
> shift towards older material. A fit here? Hmmm interesting!
>
> Thoughts? Opinions? Yay/Nay
>
This might sound like "Science Fiction", but I do think
the show might be the "Second Coming" of all great syndicated
radio shows. My wife diasgrees, but "Ain't That Just Like A
Woman". Now I don't want to get into a "Street Fight" with a
"Black Widow" or encounter some "Road Rats" who might get
stuck "Under My Wheels" but I think some station would do
well giving it a shot. It might have to be a GM that knows
where the "Dead Bodies" are buried or a couragious PD who is
no "Devil's Fool", but you never know. If this duo did exist,
we can dub them "Mr. and Misdeameanor" conceding that both
"Have A long Way to Go" in dealing with selling this type of
show to advertisers. Perhaps a "Shoe Salesman" could sell the
ads much easier than "You and Me". I, for one would love to
hear the show, perhaps even doing "The Ubangi Stomp" around
the dining room table. In Feb. of 1972, proclaiming "I'm
Eighteen", I began in earnest to follow Alice Cooper and the
music. Thinking "School's Out" when I first heard the riffs,
I decided to champion his cause even though many thought I was
"Caught In A Dream". But don't just rely on my opinion, listen
to the music, and the show. I mean let's "Give The Kid A Break"
and have a station pick the show up. When it's a success, some
wise Sales Manager will be charging top dollar telling Johnny
Come lately advertisers, "No More Mr. Nice Guy", give me top
rate.
Yonkstur
 
> This might sound like "Science Fiction", but I do think
> the show might be the "Second Coming" of all great
> syndicated
> radio shows. My wife diasgrees, but "Ain't That Just Like
> A
> Woman". Now I don't want to get into a "Street Fight" with
> a
> "Black Widow" or encounter some "Road Rats" who might get
>
> stuck "Under My Wheels" but I think some station would do
>
> well giving it a shot. It might have to be a GM that knows
>
> where the "Dead Bodies" are buried or a couragious PD who
> is
> no "Devil's Fool", but you never know. If this duo did
> exist,
> we can dub them "Mr. and Misdeameanor" conceding that both
>
> "Have A long Way to Go" in dealing with selling this type
> of
> show to advertisers. Perhaps a "Shoe Salesman" could sell
> the
> ads much easier than "You and Me". I, for one would love
> to
> hear the show, perhaps even doing "The Ubangi Stomp"
> around
> the dining room table. In Feb. of 1972, proclaiming "I'm
> Eighteen", I began in earnest to follow Alice Cooper and
> the
> music. Thinking "School's Out" when I first heard the
> riffs,
> I decided to champion his cause even though many thought I
> was
> "Caught In A Dream". But don't just rely on my opinion,
> listen
> to the music, and the show. I mean let's "Give The Kid A
> Break"
> and have a station pick the show up. When it's a success,
> some
> wise Sales Manager will be charging top dollar telling
> Johnny
> Come lately advertisers, "No More Mr. Nice Guy", give me
> top
> rate.
> Yonkstur
>


Yonk, you never cease to amaze me.
I really don't see any stations in this market picking the show up. It may be a good product, but-----the only real possibility is The Mountain, but Entercom already has a syndicated show on The Mountain overnights.
You're right on the money (pun) with your assessment of Shamrock---
Citadel's perfectly happy with what's on The X and don't hold your breath waiting for Bold Gold to do it. Hey, if their overnights are covered by Scott, none of these corporate bottom-liners are going to ante up any money.
 
> You're right on the money (pun) with your assessment of
> Shamrock---
Yeah sure,pay some money to run an out of town satellite non local show to replace a #1 night show.
 
But...Entercom

> the only real
> possibility is The Mountain, but Entercom already has a
> syndicated show on The Mountain overnights.

With the lower ratings on The mountain, I'm not putting down the current overnight show in any way, but does anyone even know the name of it? I question how well itcan it be making a dent in 102.3's ratings.

I think if Entercom were bold enough to make this move it could "breathe some life" into overnight ratings maybe even overall on 102.3. People would start saying. "Hey did you hear that new Alice Cooper show on the radio? Which station? 102.3 The Mountain. Bingo.

Maybe someone will be bold enough to "Boldly Go Where No Man Has Gone Before" (pun intended) someday. It would take some ballz, but it could very well be a great counter-programming strategy.
 
Re: But...Entercom

> I think if Entercom were bold enough to make this move it
> could "breathe some life" into overnight ratings maybe even
> overall on 102.3. People would start saying. "Hey did you
> hear that new Alice Cooper show on the radio? Which station?
> 102.3 The Mountain. Bingo.
>

Wow, when did Arbitron start rating the overnights? I was under the impression that was an unrated daypart. All this talk about paying aren't most of these shows a you let us on and we sell the commercials type deal?
 
no syndication

> > You're right on the money (pun) with your assessment of
> > Shamrock---
> Yeah sure,pay some money to run an out of town satellite non
> local show to replace a #1 night show.
>
I'm under the impression that syndicated national shows Don't go over well in NEPA. Stern, O&A, Imus, Bob and Tom, Z-Talk, Etc.
Am I wrong?
 
Re: no syndication

> I'm under the impression that syndicated national shows
> Don't go over well in NEPA. Stern, O&A, Imus, Bob and Tom,
> Z-Talk, Etc.
> Am I wrong?

Stern did fine. O&A were only on in the market for 3 months.<P ID="signature">______________
D. Stroyer
Celebrating 10 years of idle radio message board speculation.</P>
 
Re: no syndication

> > I'm under the impression that syndicated national shows
> > Don't go over well in NEPA. Stern, O&A, Imus, Bob and Tom,
>
> > Z-Talk, Etc.
> > Am I wrong?
>
> Stern did fine. O&A were only on in the market for 3
> months.
>

Well, this Alice Cooper thing might do well here. Listeners here in NEPA are very attached to their classic rock icons. And not all of these shows are on barter. I know Stern was not and he priced himself out of the market...for that time. Now he's a moot point.
Anyway, I agree. This might be a worthwhile thing for someone...most likely 102.3...to do.
And to answer another question, no---overnights are not rated. That's why 90% of stations are on Scott.
 
Re: no syndication

> I'm under the impression that syndicated national shows
> Don't go over well in NEPA. Stern, O&A, Imus, Bob and Tom,
> Z-Talk, Etc.
> Am I wrong?

Stern - Wanted lots of $$$ & thus was taken Off-Air.
$$$ ='s GREED But he did fine in ratings in this market. He was probablly worth his own price of admission.

O & A - taken off the air - (indecency). Would have probablly lasted otherwise.

Bob & Tom - Jostled between two stations (95.7 FM & WARM) in a 5 or 6 month span.
The 2nd coming himself wouldn't even be noticed under those erratic conditions.

Z-Talk - Dumped after 1 ratings book or shortly there after from Citadel and also had [ zero ] promotion. Less then The River in fact.

IMUS - Ancient fart. Past his prime & is like an old piece of gum stuck to your shoe. You cant get rid of it because it's stuck there and won't go away.
 
Re: no syndication

> Well, this Alice Cooper thing might do well here. Listeners
> here in NEPA are very attached to their classic rock icons.
> And not all of these shows are on barter. I know Stern was
> not and he priced himself out of the market...for that time.
> Now he's a moot point.
> Anyway, I agree. This might be a worthwhile thing for
> someone...most likely 102.3...to do.
> And to answer another question, no---overnights are not
> rated. That's why 90% of stations are on Scott.
>

I always thought that the Arbs include overnights in the overall station ratings, but don't do break downs because the audience is too small.

On to point 2 forget Alice, Eddie Trunk out of NYC is a better show once a week with great guests like Ace Frehley, Sammy Hagar and the like.

c. Stern failed in this market. His numbers were ok, not good enough to sustain him. Yes, he wanted more money, but he wasn't worth it. Try to fill 15 minutes an hour of commercials when most nationals don't want to run even on stations that carry him plus many locals didn't want to run during his show except maybe Harry's U Pull it.
 
Re: no syndication

> > I'm under the impression that syndicated national shows
> > Don't go over well in NEPA. Stern, O&A, Imus, Bob and Tom,
>
> > Z-Talk, Etc.
> > Am I wrong?
>
> Stern - Wanted lots of $$$ & thus was taken Off-Air.
> $$$ ='s GREED But he did fine in ratings in this market. He
> was probablly worth his own price of admission.

BZZZZTT!

Oh, I'm sorry...no...he failed because there was no one willing to advertise on his show. If he were asking for 100 dollars a week, the ad revenue wouldn't have supported even that. And you can say he did fine in the ratings but if he did, pottymouth notwithstanding, attracting advertisers wouldn't have been an issue. But thanks for playing our game. We have some lovely parting gifts and the home version of our show.
 
Re: no syndication

> BZZZZTT!
>
> Oh, I'm sorry...no...he failed because there was no one
> willing to advertise on his show. If he were asking for 100
> dollars a week, the ad revenue wouldn't have supported even
> that. And you can say he did fine in the ratings but if he
> did, pottymouth notwithstanding, attracting advertisers
> wouldn't have been an issue. But thanks for playing our
> game. We have some lovely parting gifts and the home version
> of our show.

{CALLING MR. "SELL-IT ALL"}

Read the posts of the others who agree, Stern was GREEDY. Did you even read the posts above? GREED ='s OVERPRICED ='s kicked outta the market. WHY? Nobody would advertise because of what the $$$ he wanted NOT because they thought he sucked.

Let's Recap for our viewers at home.........
-----------------------------------

TODAY'S FINAL JEOPARDY QUESTION:

GREED is to ADVERTISTING as talent is to?

GOOD LUCK!


TIME IS UP !!!

Let's Check out our responses.....

GREED ='s High Price demanded.
Advertisers refusing to support whom they believe to be overpriced & greedy. Therefore nobody purchases ad time with the product.
 
Re: no syndication

> {CALLING MR. "SELL-IT ALL"}
>
> Read the posts of the others who agree, Stern was GREEDY.
> Did you even read the posts above? GREED ='s OVERPRICED ='s
> kicked outta the market. WHY? Nobody would advertise because
> of what the $$$ he wanted NOT because they thought he
> sucked.

It was the content not the cost. If the cost were the problem, they would have had more than one local ad on the show. I think "Harry's U-Pull It" is a terrific junkyard, but not terrific enough to do the job singlehandedly. If the numbers were there, the $ numbers would have been too. Advertisers, smart ones anyway, don't care if a show "sucked" as you so eloguently put it. They care about how many people want to hear the suckiness and secondarily they care about being associated with trash.

You're wrong.
 
Re: no syndication

> It was the content not the cost. If the cost were the
> problem, they would have had more than one local ad on the
> show. I think "Harry's U-Pull It" is a terrific junkyard,
> but not terrific enough to do the job singlehandedly. If the
> numbers were there, the $ numbers would have been too.
> Advertisers, smart ones anyway, don't care if a show
> "sucked" as you so eloguently put it. They care about how
> many people want to hear the suckiness and secondarily they
> care about being associated with trash.
>
> You're wrong.

I think you both seem rather bitter. However your post seems to indicate your "opinion" rather his, has more factutal elements to base his claims. Whether they're 100% is TBD.
 
Re: no syndication

> I think you both seem rather bitter. However your post seems
> to indicate your "opinion" rather his, has more factutal
> elements to base his claims. Whether they're 100% is TBD.
>

This time you're wrong

KNOWN FACT: Many national advertisers will not run during Stern, some will not run at ALL on a station that runs Stern. Say goodbye to regional buys as well as Westwood, ABC, et al

KNOWN FACT: Many local advertisers did not want their commercials to run during Stern.

Question: Can't make money on a morning show that only pulls OK numbers (I don't think it ever went above 5th place 25-54)?

Solution: Dump it.
 
No More Calls Please...

> This time you're wrong
>
> KNOWN FACT: Many national advertisers will not run during
> Stern, some will not run at ALL on a station that runs
> Stern. Say goodbye to regional buys as well as Westwood,
> ABC, et al
>
> KNOWN FACT: Many local advertisers did not want their
> commercials to run during Stern.
>
> Question: Can't make money on a morning show that only pulls
> OK numbers (I don't think it ever went above 5th place
> 25-54)?
>
> Solution: Dump it.

We Have a Winner!
 
Re: No More Calls Please...

> > This time you're wrong
> >
> > KNOWN FACT: Many national advertisers will not run during
> > Stern, some will not run at ALL on a station that runs
> > Stern. Say goodbye to regional buys as well as Westwood,
> > ABC, et al
> >
> > KNOWN FACT: Many local advertisers did not want their
> > commercials to run during Stern.
> >
> > Question: Can't make money on a morning show that only
> pulls
> > OK numbers (I don't think it ever went above 5th place
> > 25-54)?
> >
> > Solution: Dump it.
>
> We Have a Winner!
>

Say all you want about Stern, but he is no longer relevant to this discussion thread. It doesn't matter what facts you have or even what your opinion is. He's made the move to Sirius and is getting more money than any of us will ever see in our lifetimes. Nothing we have to say matters in this case.
 
you're missing the point

> Say all you want about Stern, but he is no longer relevant
> to this discussion thread. It doesn't matter what facts you
> have or even what your opinion is. He's made the move to
> Sirius and is getting more money than any of us will ever
> see in our lifetimes. Nothing we have to say matters in
> this case.
>
The thread is whether or not syndicated shows will work in this market. Using Stern, usually a winner, as an example only stress the fact that people in NEPA don't care who you are or how great you are else where. You actually have to prove yourself to the oft mentioned "lemmings" of NEPA.. If they don't like you, they don't like you. If you can't make it in W-B/Scranton, you can't make it in W-B/Scranton.
 
Re: you're missing the point

> > Say all you want about Stern, but he is no longer relevant
>
> > to this discussion thread. It doesn't matter what facts
> you
> > have or even what your opinion is. He's made the move to
> > Sirius and is getting more money than any of us will ever
> > see in our lifetimes. Nothing we have to say matters in
> > this case.
> >
> The thread is whether or not syndicated shows will work in
> this market. Using Stern, usually a winner, as an example
> only stress the fact that people in NEPA don't care who you
> are or how great you are else where. You actually have to
> prove yourself to the oft mentioned "lemmings" of NEPA.. If
> they don't like you, they don't like you. If you can't make
> it in W-B/Scranton, you can't make it in W-B/Scranton.
>

I agree with you---however I havs some very interesting "anecdotal evidence" to pass along. Funny thing. I know a guy who refused to listen to Stern when he was on 97.9. Too trashy---filthy mind---all the usual reasons. In January he went out and bought a Sirius reciever...........
so he could listen to Stern.
 
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