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Nine Coverage

Yes, David, we'll all kneel before you and Zod. You're comical.

My statement in regards to your Reggaeton station was based on a SMALL signal, not one with the coverage it has NOW. If you weren't so busy researching numbers that miss more than you do you'd have noted in many of my past posts I considered (with it's signal) that La Kalle will clean B96's clock, even with their terrible airstaff, it's a great station.

So typical of you to pick arguments from various threads and put them together to form your reality.

I know, you do battle every day, you're a research guy, blah blah blah. You're not the only guy in radio here. I may not talk like some suit but then I'm way past that point in my career. Please, I've seen enough of your posts to know when I'm reading garbage that doesn't apply in the real world. But I understand, it's your way of justifying why you even have a job. If you need research to tell you Chicago could use a Reggaeton station then you're an IDIOT, especially knowing how much of a crutch Hispanics were for B96. If you needed research to tell you that 18 minutes of commercials an hour would cause people to get so pissed off that they'd rather PAY to listen to a different for of radio then you're an IDIOT. There's no other "professional" way to put it.

Take your 70dbu contour and go wipe with it, you're another person who's been lost in his desk too long. Reality is this, when you add up the towns and the city coverage that the NINE signals cover it's three million. Go research that, find it so and then figure out a way to show it's not, that's what you're best at.


> > > Boy, even in replying to me you can't help yourself.
> Just
> >
> > > had to get that dig in.
> > >
> > > Oh well, I'm not going to enable you, or engage you in
> the
> >
> > > exact activity that I was trying to joke about.
> >
> > The problem with them is that they're both in the industry
>
> > and both have differing philosophies.
>
> Up to now, I have seen no evidence that Musiclover is
> actually in the industry. In truth, he has so many of the
> basics wrong, that would be hard to believe.
>
 
Don't let anyone like David read this. You'll be considered someone who knows nothing as shows no evidence of anyone in radio. Good post. It's reality, simple and to the point. Most in radio would argue it but then tis better to be right and not liked than be wrong and surrounded by mindlessness.











> > > I'm not from Chicago, but I've been reading about the
> > > Variety Hits(JACK-style)format online, and I found out
> > about
> > > Nine-FM from a blurb on varietyhits.com.
> > >
> > > Judging from the coverage maps on Nine's website, it
> looks
> >
> > > like the ultimate example of rimshotting. Has Nine ever
> > > considered starting a translator &/or booster in the
> city,
> >
> > > to improve coverage there?
> > >
> > With the current spacing rules, Nine Fm can't get a
> > translator in the city of Chicago. Numerous suburban
> > stations are already short-spaced with the city grade
> > sticks. 92.3*, 93.1, 93.9, 94.7, 95.5, 96.3, 97.1, 97.9,
> > 98.7, 99.5, 100.3, 101.1, 101.9, 102.7, 103.1*, 103.5,
> > 104.3, 105.1, 105.9, 106.7*, 107.5, & 107.9* all have city
>
> > grade coverage. In the cases of frequencies with
> astericks
> > next to them, they have their signal in the suburbs with
> > primary contour in the city of Chicago. I however don't
> > know about 103.1 yet, if they moved their transmitter from
>
> > Arlington Heights to Evanston yet or not. That move is
> > suppose to give them primary contour over Downtown
> Chicago.
> > As for boosters, they can't get one on either 99.9 or 92.7
>
> > because 99.9 is already short-spaced with 99.5 & 100.3,
> plus
> > short-spaced with the 99.9 in Benton Harbor Michigan &
> 99.9
> > in Janesville Wisconsin. As for 92.7, they're already
> > short-spaced with 92.3 in Hammond Indiana, 92.5 (their
> > simulcast) in Dekalb Illinois, & 92.7 in Kankakee
> Illinois.
> > With frequencies being scarce in the Chicago market, they
> > simply can't put a translator on the John Hancock, Sears
> > Tower, or the AON Building and cover Downtown Chicago.
> > They're stuck with their rimshot signals targeting Chiago.
>
> >
>
> Since the rest of the thread has gone mostly off-topic,
> guess I'll place this here...
>
> The tri-cast (which did not include 99.9 at the time) did
> quite alright as dance when it was Energy. No numbers that
> were startling, but respectable for a limited signal - and
> they made money. That's the bottom line, of course.
>
> The corporate parent closed their doors, sold the station(s)
> and it was flipped to spanish. Being suburban and rural in
> coverage, it virtually disappeared from the books for two
> years. Then it was sold again and made the change to Nine.
>
> Really, with coverage like they have now (and that includes
> 99.9 in Kankakee now), there's not a lot you can do with it
> other than try to offer programming not being duplicated on
> a bigger city-grade signal. The only differences that I can
> perceive between Nine and Jack right now is that Nine is
> live with air talent, and they make an attempt to offer some
> different programming on the weekends.
>
> Personally, I think the station would do better if they went
> all-80's or dance, were it programmed properly. Just my 2
> cents though.
>
 
Re: Question

I would like to see a response from MLII and David on this fo shure:

What happens if a station(s) enters the market playing what many have voiced we are lacking in the market: Dance/CHR.

In terms of total market composition, demographics, and their respective ratings, where would Chicago radio be and how would such a station impact terrestrial FM/HD-1 stations.<P ID="signature">______________
Rob Austin
Vice President
JamTraxx Media Inc.
http://www.jamtraxxmedia.com
"Major Market Solutions for Your Radio Station's Needs!"</P>
 
You distort the facts, at times you misplace the facts to justify your superiority complex. Your facts differ from many of ours who laugh at many of posts. While interesting, they don't always apply to REALITY.


> > > No offense guys, but it seems like you all argue for the
>
> > > sake of arguing.
> >
> > It's kind of like our version of "Grumppy Old Men"
> > (Remember that movie?)
>
> There is an expression in Spanish that goes, "trying to hide
> the sky with the palm of the hand" and it fits here... you,
> Musiclover and RadioDoc and pip are failing to distinguis
> points of view from facts.
>
> A point of view is something like "advertisers should pay
> mor attention to 55+ listeners." Or, "I think the new mix on
> B 96 is too urban leaning." Everyone has a right to that
> type of oopinion.
>
> But when you take the laws of physics (signal strength) and
> analysis of tens of thousands of diaries and ignore it so
> you can come up with you own estimate of the potential
> listenership to a signal, that is covering the sky with the
> palm of your hand.
>
> There is nothing "grumpy" about facts... nor is there
> anything cheerful about them. They are just facts.
>
 
Anyone have an ETA on when WVIV will be moving to Evanston?<P ID="signature">______________
Rob Austin
Vice President
JamTraxx Media Inc.
http://www.jamtraxxmedia.com
"Major Market Solutions for Your Radio Station's Needs!"</P>
 
Re: Question

You mean if a particular company now talking to another company about station purchases were to come in and play music other than what B, Power, GCI and Kiss are playing. One not leaning overly mindless progressive? Do you mean taking B96's heritage golds, combining them with late 80s, early 90s mainstream dance hits, going on full attack with station promos, live mix shows at the club level, public appearance, an irreverant, fun morning show that knows the market well and a mixture of today's dance hits?

It would change the face of Chicago radio. The Mix, Lite and Love would have to rething some positioning and strategy because there'd be alot of their P1-s sampling, the way to keep them is with PERSONALITY, people who know the market and music but can still relate to their listeners without sounding like some glow stick twirling X freak. A 3 share in less than 4 books would be a no-brainer. THREE share 25-44 Female.

Rumors swirling around about like this. Who would love to come into Chicago and compete at the right price? I guess we'll see. It'd be nice if it got past the talking stages that's for sure.

It's a billable format when presented properly and a successful hy-brid dance format combining the right elements might actually get those who've turned off their radios completely and perhaps allow other city's to give it a shot AS LONG as it stay with MAINSTREAM dance hits as it's base and includes only the most commercial of dance hits from today. And I don't mean what some DJ in some club says is great either. HITS. When you're in radio, you know a hit when you hear it, if not, find another career. Find the records and make them your own.

SONGS like The Body Rockers "I Like The Way"m The Chemical Brothers "Galvanize"
Jenn Cunnetta's track are all COMMERCIAL MAINSTREAM RECORDS that fit the mid level of that target demo, surround them with more familiar records from the upper end target demos past and success is assured.

When you think about it, dance is your only "alternative" format left.




> I would like to see a response from MLII and David on this
> fo shure:
>
> What happens if a station(s) enters the market playing what
> many have voiced we are lacking in the market: Dance/CHR.
>
> In terms of total market composition, demographics, and
> their respective ratings, where would Chicago radio be and
> how would such a station impact terrestrial,
> non-multi-casting FM/HD-1 stations.
>
 
No, for the sake of sake, let' just say that can you imagine with all that signal, covering all those people, in all those territories that that number was your "door count" for say... the week?

You can't bill 7 mill when you're running a barter and exchange program can you?

> Are you saying that they are only billing 170K a month?
> Someone mentioned here some time ago that internally they
> are looking to bill a challenging $6-7M.
>
 
I remember having a discussion with someone regarding what would happen in this market with the debut of the reggeaton VIV/X. In 50/50 hindsight, I was right and he was wrong - VERY wrong, since he felt the FCC would NEVER approve the move of WVIV-FM. Secondly, how devistating can this move be, if the VIV signal penetrates even farther into probably the largest concentrated areas of English speaking Hispanics in the area.

One look at KXOL in LA would tell you what COULD have happened here and what very well COULD STILL HAPPEN as a result of the relocation of the transmitter to Evanston. Although currently not at the top of the pile of stations in the market, the VIV/X combo is doing VERY well against other 18-34 competitors, furthermore, as an ethnic format.

As they say in the streets, someone better recognize! What is the potential 18-34 damage?<P ID="signature">______________
Rob Austin
Vice President
JamTraxx Media Inc.
http://www.jamtraxxmedia.com
"Major Market Solutions for Your Radio Station's Needs!"</P>
 
Once again, you live by research you die by research. But then you've been associated with enough ideas that have failed in the Chicago market to know.

You can only distort reality for so long before you have to take your head out of your books and find out what's really going on.

But then you charge people for outdated, warped studies that create such memorable concepts in Chicago radio who's names have already alluded my memory.




> >
> > Musiclover: "The sky is blue"
> > David: "Research shows the sky is grey"
> > Musiclover: "The sky is NEVER grey it is blue"
> > David: "In my xx years of experience I have NEVER seen a
> > blue sky".
> > Musiclover: "How can you not see what the rest of us
> > have...a blue sky!"
> >
> > Lather, rinse, repeat.
> >
> > No offense guys, but it seems like you all argue for the
> > sake of arguing.
>
> Isn't that what these boards are for?
>
> I do admit that debating Musiclover is so muc like grabing
> low-hanging fruit that it is tempting to challenge him every
> time he messes up his facts.
>
> In this instance, an awful lot of research has been done to
> determing how big a signal is needed for listeners to use it
> regularly. Musiclover comes in with a statement based, no
> doubt, on his n=1 experience and the loverly maps at
> radio-locator. And in doing so, overestimates the vaible
> audience of the Newsweb stations by about 60%.
>
> Even if you are not hungry, it is tough to pas by an
> opportunity to shoot fish in a barrel.
>
>
> >
>
 
> Once again, you live by research you die by research. But
> then you've been associated with enough ideas that have
> failed in the Chicago market to know.

I actually think research is a great tool, but you need to also live a little off the cuff and go with your gut until research tells you otherwise. If you're in a market long enough, you just KNOW what works.

As a perfect example, Research is working out VERY well for our national mixshows.

> You can only distort reality for so long before you have to
> take your head out of your books and find out what's really
> going on.
>
> But then you charge people for outdated, warped studies that
> create such memorable concepts in Chicago radio who's names
> have already alluded my memory.
>
>
>
>
> > >
> > > Musiclover: "The sky is blue"
> > > David: "Research shows the sky is grey"
> > > Musiclover: "The sky is NEVER grey it is blue"
> > > David: "In my xx years of experience I have NEVER seen a
>
> > > blue sky".
> > > Musiclover: "How can you not see what the rest of us
> > > have...a blue sky!"
> > >
> > > Lather, rinse, repeat.
> > >
> > > No offense guys, but it seems like you all argue for the
>
> > > sake of arguing.
> >
> > Isn't that what these boards are for?
> >
> > I do admit that debating Musiclover is so muc like grabing
>
> > low-hanging fruit that it is tempting to challenge him
> every
> > time he messes up his facts.
> >
> > In this instance, an awful lot of research has been done
> to
> > determing how big a signal is needed for listeners to use
> it
> > regularly. Musiclover comes in with a statement based, no
> > doubt, on his n=1 experience and the loverly maps at
> > radio-locator. And in doing so, overestimates the vaible
> > audience of the Newsweb stations by about 60%.
> >
> > Even if you are not hungry, it is tough to pas by an
> > opportunity to shoot fish in a barrel.
> >
> >
> > >
> >
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Rob Austin
Vice President
JamTraxx Media Inc.
http://www.jamtraxxmedia.com
"Major Market Solutions for Your Radio Station's Needs!"</P>
 
Re: Question

> You mean if a particular company now talking to another
> company about station purchases were to come in and play
> music other than what B, Power, GCI and Kiss are playing.
> One not leaning overly mindless progressive? Do you mean
> taking B96's heritage golds, combining them with late 80s,
> early 90s mainstream dance hits, going on full attack with
> station promos, live mix shows at the club level, public
> appearance, an irreverant, fun morning show that knows the
> market well and a mixture of today's dance hits?
>
> It would change the face of Chicago radio. The Mix, Lite and
> Love would have to rething some positioning and strategy
> because there'd be alot of their P1-s sampling, the way to
> keep them is with PERSONALITY, people who know the market
> and music but can still relate to their listeners without
> sounding like some glow stick twirling X freak. A 3 share in
> less than 4 books would be a no-brainer. THREE share 25-44
> Female.
>
> Rumors swirling around about like this. Who would love to
> come into Chicago and compete at the right price? I guess
> we'll see. It'd be nice if it got past the talking stages
> that's for sure.

Is it WTKC-FM? Seriously, I have heard nothing of the sort, so please stop teasing and do tell what you know.

Furthermore, how do you think it would change the landscape of the market.

> It's a billable format when presented properly and a
> successful hy-brid dance format combining the right elements
> might actually get those who've turned off their radios
> completely and perhaps allow other city's to give it a shot
> AS LONG as it stay with MAINSTREAM dance hits as it's base
> and includes only the most commercial of dance hits from
> today. And I don't mean what some DJ in some club says is
> great either. HITS. When you're in radio, you know a hit
> when you hear it, if not, find another career. Find the
> records and make them your own.
>
> SONGS like The Body Rockers "I Like The Way"m The Chemical
> Brothers "Galvanize"
> Jenn Cunnetta's track are all COMMERCIAL MAINSTREAM RECORDS
> that fit the mid level of that target demo, surround them
> with more familiar records from the upper end target demos
> past and success is assured.
>
> When you think about it, dance is your only "alternative"
> format left.
>
>
>
>
> > I would like to see a response from MLII and David on this
>
> > fo shure:
> >
> > What happens if a station(s) enters the market playing
> what
> > many have voiced we are lacking in the market: Dance/CHR.
>
> >
> > In terms of total market composition, demographics, and
> > their respective ratings, where would Chicago radio be and
>
> > how would such a station impact terrestrial,
> > non-multi-casting FM/HD-1 stations.
> >
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Rob Austin
Vice President
JamTraxx Media Inc.
http://www.jamtraxxmedia.com
"Major Market Solutions for Your Radio Station's Needs!"</P>
 
Re: Question

I believe you were in the market at the time. Did you ever sample WLUW-FM while it was Energy?<P ID="signature">______________
Rob Austin
Vice President
JamTraxx Media Inc.
http://www.jamtraxxmedia.com
"Major Market Solutions for Your Radio Station's Needs!"</P>
 
Re: Question

Dance is dead. The man, I mean research, has spoken. There is no room for it in the market, or any market in the world. (sarcasm)

But funny, listening to La Kalle last night, they were mixing old school dance for a while live from a few hot spots in the market. Shame on them! Read the research! It can tell you the name of your 1st born, your fiber intake and even Mrs Cleo's highly regarded personal info!!!!!!!!! Who needs any gut instinct? <P ID="signature">______________

"Z"
Music Coordinator/Technical Support</P>
 
WVIV_FM_CU.gif

Houston, do we have a problem?

Looks like we are covering lots of Hispanic areas here, doesn't it?<P ID="signature">______________
Rob Austin
Vice President
JamTraxx Media Inc.
http://www.jamtraxxmedia.com
"Major Market Solutions for Your Radio Station's Needs!"</P>
 
Re: Question

WTKC? Is that a Chicago station? If you're saying WKSC then no, they're happy billing half of what they did five years ago, that's progress and there's no need to rething anything there I'm sure.

There's just some low level discussion occuring somewhere, nothing big but talking ideas, concepts and going to dinners for business are always a good start.


> > You mean if a particular company now talking to another
> > company about station purchases were to come in and play
> > music other than what B, Power, GCI and Kiss are playing.
> > One not leaning overly mindless progressive? Do you mean
> > taking B96's heritage golds, combining them with late 80s,
>
> > early 90s mainstream dance hits, going on full attack with
>
> > station promos, live mix shows at the club level, public
> > appearance, an irreverant, fun morning show that knows the
>
> > market well and a mixture of today's dance hits?
> >
> > It would change the face of Chicago radio. The Mix, Lite
> and
> > Love would have to rething some positioning and strategy
> > because there'd be alot of their P1-s sampling, the way to
>
> > keep them is with PERSONALITY, people who know the market
> > and music but can still relate to their listeners without
> > sounding like some glow stick twirling X freak. A 3 share
> in
> > less than 4 books would be a no-brainer. THREE share 25-44
>
> > Female.
> >
> > Rumors swirling around about like this. Who would love to
> > come into Chicago and compete at the right price? I guess
> > we'll see. It'd be nice if it got past the talking stages
> > that's for sure.
>
> Is it WTKC-FM? Seriously, I have heard nothing of the sort,
> so please stop teasing and do tell what you know.
>
> Furthermore, how do you think it would change the landscape
> of the market.
>
> > It's a billable format when presented properly and a
> > successful hy-brid dance format combining the right
> elements
> > might actually get those who've turned off their radios
> > completely and perhaps allow other city's to give it a
> shot
> > AS LONG as it stay with MAINSTREAM dance hits as it's base
>
> > and includes only the most commercial of dance hits from
> > today. And I don't mean what some DJ in some club says is
> > great either. HITS. When you're in radio, you know a hit
> > when you hear it, if not, find another career. Find the
> > records and make them your own.
> >
> > SONGS like The Body Rockers "I Like The Way"m The Chemical
>
> > Brothers "Galvanize"
> > Jenn Cunnetta's track are all COMMERCIAL MAINSTREAM
> RECORDS
> > that fit the mid level of that target demo, surround them
> > with more familiar records from the upper end target demos
>
> > past and success is assured.
> >
> > When you think about it, dance is your only "alternative"
> > format left.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > I would like to see a response from MLII and David on
> this
> >
> > > fo shure:
> > >
> > > What happens if a station(s) enters the market playing
> > what
> > > many have voiced we are lacking in the market:
> Dance/CHR.
> >
> > >
> > > In terms of total market composition, demographics, and
> > > their respective ratings, where would Chicago radio be
> and
> >
> > > how would such a station impact terrestrial,
> > > non-multi-casting FM/HD-1 stations.
> > >
> >
>
 
Re: Question

YTZ, What do you think?<P ID="signature">______________
Rob Austin
Vice President
JamTraxx Media Inc.
http://www.jamtraxxmedia.com
"Major Market Solutions for Your Radio Station's Needs!"</P>
 
Re: Question

No, I'm referring to WTKC-FM, as in a station that former B96 mixmaster Too Kool Kris wanted to start with an infusion of cash from local car dealers. Although he contacted many people in the market to program and take out the garbage, the station never came to fruition.

> WTKC? Is that a Chicago station? If you're saying WKSC then
> no, they're happy billing half of what they did five years
> ago, that's progress and there's no need to rething anything
> there I'm sure.
>
> There's just some low level discussion occuring somewhere,
> nothing big but talking ideas, concepts and going to dinners
> for business are always a good start.
>
>
> > > You mean if a particular company now talking to another
> > > company about station purchases were to come in and play
>
> > > music other than what B, Power, GCI and Kiss are
> playing.
> > > One not leaning overly mindless progressive? Do you mean
>
> > > taking B96's heritage golds, combining them with late
> 80s,
> >
> > > early 90s mainstream dance hits, going on full attack
> with
> >
> > > station promos, live mix shows at the club level, public
>
> > > appearance, an irreverant, fun morning show that knows
> the
> >
> > > market well and a mixture of today's dance hits?
> > >
> > > It would change the face of Chicago radio. The Mix, Lite
>
> > and
> > > Love would have to rething some positioning and strategy
>
> > > because there'd be alot of their P1-s sampling, the way
> to
> >
> > > keep them is with PERSONALITY, people who know the
> market
> > > and music but can still relate to their listeners
> without
> > > sounding like some glow stick twirling X freak. A 3
> share
> > in
> > > less than 4 books would be a no-brainer. THREE share
> 25-44
> >
> > > Female.
> > >
> > > Rumors swirling around about like this. Who would love
> to
> > > come into Chicago and compete at the right price? I
> guess
> > > we'll see. It'd be nice if it got past the talking
> stages
> > > that's for sure.
> >
> > Is it WTKC-FM? Seriously, I have heard nothing of the
> sort,
> > so please stop teasing and do tell what you know.
> >
> > Furthermore, how do you think it would change the
> landscape
> > of the market.
> >
> > > It's a billable format when presented properly and a
> > > successful hy-brid dance format combining the right
> > elements
> > > might actually get those who've turned off their radios
> > > completely and perhaps allow other city's to give it a
> > shot
> > > AS LONG as it stay with MAINSTREAM dance hits as it's
> base
> >
> > > and includes only the most commercial of dance hits from
>
> > > today. And I don't mean what some DJ in some club says
> is
> > > great either. HITS. When you're in radio, you know a hit
>
> > > when you hear it, if not, find another career. Find the
> > > records and make them your own.
> > >
> > > SONGS like The Body Rockers "I Like The Way"m The
> Chemical
> >
> > > Brothers "Galvanize"
> > > Jenn Cunnetta's track are all COMMERCIAL MAINSTREAM
> > RECORDS
> > > that fit the mid level of that target demo, surround
> them
> > > with more familiar records from the upper end target
> demos
> >
> > > past and success is assured.
> > >
> > > When you think about it, dance is your only
> "alternative"
> > > format left.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > I would like to see a response from MLII and David on
> > this
> > >
> > > > fo shure:
> > > >
> > > > What happens if a station(s) enters the market playing
>
> > > what
> > > > many have voiced we are lacking in the market:
> > Dance/CHR.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > In terms of total market composition, demographics,
> and
> > > > their respective ratings, where would Chicago radio be
>
> > and
> > >
> > > > how would such a station impact terrestrial,
> > > > non-multi-casting FM/HD-1 stations.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Rob Austin
Vice President
JamTraxx Media Inc.
http://www.jamtraxxmedia.com
"Major Market Solutions for Your Radio Station's Needs!"</P>
 
Re: Question

Dance stations are like good horror movies: They only come around once every ten years. =) LOL!<P ID="signature">______________
Rob Austin
Vice President
JamTraxx Media Inc.
http://www.jamtraxxmedia.com
"Major Market Solutions for Your Radio Station's Needs!"</P>
 
Re: Question

LOL @ WTKC.

Yeah but story has it Next Media was in talks trying to get WTKC (Too Kool Kris) radio in action somewhere in their portfolio! Yipes! Would dance cut it in Sturtevant Wisc, or Joliet IL?




> WTKC? Is that a Chicago station? If you're saying WKSC then
> no, they're happy billing half of what they did five years
> ago, that's progress and there's no need to rething anything
> there I'm sure.
>
> There's just some low level discussion occuring somewhere,
> nothing big but talking ideas, concepts and going to dinners
> for business are always a good start.
> <P ID="signature">______________

"Z"
Music Coordinator/Technical Support</P>
 
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