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Northern New Jersey AM Oldies

> > I'll Take Sour Puss For A Thousand Alex....
> >
>
> The answer: Who do YOU see when you look in a
> mirror? Did I get that right Vanna?
>

Actually NO YOU DID NOT GET THAT ONE CORRECT. Mine was a JEOPARDY REFERENCE NOT a Wheel of Fortune one...LOL :-D

Think before you post there Tough Guy!!!

Let's stop trying to focus on WMTR's signal blending with that Pittsburgh station and focus on what YOU actually were talking about so perhaps in the future YOU don't look so foolish with a less-than-intelligent-remark!!

LOL....Gee I Really Needed That Laugh!!

Thanks Harold!! Enjoy the cheese with your Wine!!!
 
Re: 101.1 JACK-FM

> > Goodbye CBS-FM...
> >
> What a loss? This Monday, WABC played tapes of Musicradio
> 77, which reminded everyone how "oldies" should be done.
> Now, New York has no FM oldies station. Maybe ABC could
> capitalize on this by flipping WPLJ to Musicradio 95.5.
>

EXCELLENT IDEA! Or, change the calls to what they once were

once an hour "WABC-FM, New York"

(tympani roll) "The greatest hits of all time play on, at..."

(music - singers) "Musicradioooo...W-A-B-CCCCCCCCCccccccccccccc"


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> > If you go back a few posts you'll see this thread got
> > started with the statement that WMTR has a "great signal."
>
>
> What I actually said was, "WMTR's strong signal (including
> the simulcast on 1170 WWTR) and frequent traffic reports
> makes it indispensible for people driving through northern
> and central NJ."
>
> > The truth is...they don't!! WABC has a great signal.
> > WOR has a great signal. WMTR loses power when the hamster
> > gets tired. No one should mistake stations like WMTR for
> > the major-market treatment people in Morris County....ALL
> > of Morris County deserve.
>
> 1250 WMTR's daytime 0.5 mV/m FCC Protected Service Contour
> covers all of Morris County, except for the extreme western
> tip (west of Hackettstown). If you're getting a poor signal
> from WMTR within this area, you need a better radio! Or,
> better yet, just tune in 1360 WNNJ or 1510 WRNJ instead, and
> stop complaining about WMTR.
>


Please explain from where you get the 0.5 mV/m specification.
Do you have a copy of the station's most recent proof of
performance? Have you personally made these measurements?
Or did you get them from some fanciful source, like those
contour maps you see on-line that are more the sales
department's fantasy than the chief engineer's proof
report.

WMTR protects stations to the west and south. The truth,
as those who live in the area know, is that they project
a poor signal to the west. That's just the facts. Their
signal is weak and not comparable to several New
York stations, such as WABC and WOR. Them's the facts.

As an enthusiast for many years I have all the equipment
I need. Walkmans, Superradios, ICOM, Kenwood, Yaesu,
Hammarlund, National, Heathkit, and yes..even Collins.
(Four Select-A-Tennas too!) However, nothing more than
a pocket radio is needed to do a qualitative comparison.

Incidentally, neither WNNJ nor WRNJ comes in well
where I live. In fact, WRNJ is, for the most part,
non-existant. As you climb the hill on Route 46 from
their Morris County transmitter location you notice
the signal weakening as you get into Budd Lake. Not
a really conductive ground system I guess.

WNNJ is a bit better but not enough
to make it an easy listen. That's just the way it
is in northern New Jersey. Weak, low-power radio
stations with underpaid and mostly inexperienced
staffs. It's been that way for a very long time.

About your last comment...I can, and will, complain
about the inadequacies of the broadcast industry in
northern New Jersey. I regret that this bothers you
but I really can't do anything about that. You'll
just have to avoid reading my posts. I really wouldn't
be offended if you choose that course of action.
While you might not like to see criticism of the
broadcast industry, the FCC, and the politicians
who have let us down, I am sure others read it and
use what I say to come to their own conclusions.
My thoughts are legitimate and come from many years
of working in the industry, relationships with
broadcasters, and (shudder) contacts with local,
state, and federal officials.

Oh...And one last thing. Hackettstown in in Warren
County. Areas to the immediate west of that community
are also in Warren County. Washington Township (Morris
County) is to the immediate east of Hackettstown.

OK now. Let's see the source for the field-strength
readings.
 
Re: Morristown vs. Morris County

> > Included in northern New Jersey are communities just to
> > the west and/or north of Morristown, like Denville. WMTR's
>
> > already weak signal there disappears at night. That's not
> > good for a station that has long..very long..identified
> > itself not with Bergen County but with....Morris County.
> > I take it you too don't live in Morris County.
>
> WMTR stands for MorrisTown Radio. They are, and always have
> been, a Morristown station... not a "Morris County" station.
> And I've never heard them claim to be a Bergen County
> station, because their signal doesn't cover that area
> either.
>
> WMTR is based in Morristown, and their primary signal
> coverage area includes eastern Morris County, Essex County,
> and Union County. That's where their ad dollars come from,
> and that's where most of their listeners are.
>
> Furthermore, I've driven through Denville numerous times,
> and WMTR's daytime signal has always been perfect on my car
> radio through that area. If you're in Denville and your
> daytime reception of WMTR is poor, you need a better radio!
>

You make a claim as follows "They are, and always have
been, a Morristown station.. not a "Morris County"
station." That's quite a statement. Do you say this
from personal experience? Are you old enough to have
been around in the 1940s when the station went on the
air?

A bit of geography. Morristown is the county seat of
Morris County. Perhaps being a wee bit older than you
I can remember their programming from many years ago.
Since I started listening they have always catered to
a Morris County audience and sponsorship. People in
Morris County can tell you that.

The facts are that the WMTR signal to the west is
weak. Yes...You can hear them in Denville during the
day. You can even hear them farther to the west.
But their signal is noticeably weaker than other
stations on the dial. The station is not on the
listening fare of most residents of the western
part of the county. I live here..I know.

And at night..the WMTR signal loses the fight with
Pittsburgh. You can hold them up Fox Hill but by
the time you get to Denville you want to switch
to something else. Not an ideal situation, but you
have to live with the physics of it all.
 
> > > I'll Take Sour Puss For A Thousand Alex....
> > >
> >
> > The answer: Who do YOU see when you look in a
> > mirror? Did I get that right Vanna?
> >
>
> Actually NO YOU DID NOT GET THAT ONE CORRECT. Mine was a
> JEOPARDY REFERENCE NOT a Wheel of Fortune one...LOL :-D
>
> Think before you post there Tough Guy!!!
>
> Let's stop trying to focus on WMTR's signal blending with
> that Pittsburgh station and focus on what YOU actually were
> talking about so perhaps in the future YOU don't look so
> foolish with a less-than-intelligent-remark!!
>
> LOL....Gee I Really Needed That Laugh!!
>
> Thanks Harold!! Enjoy the cheese with your Wine!!!
>

Jeopardy. Wheel of Fortune. Who cares? I don't
spend my time watching mindless game shows. There
are more interesting things to do with the time.
I crown you Game Show Expert. I'm not. Shame.

What I was talking about was that WMTR has a poor
signal to the west. Only their sales department
would tell you otherwise. I'm sorry you don't like
the idea, but facts are facts.

I like a nice glass of wine occasionally but please,
I wouldn't want to take any of your cheese stash.
Nibble away.
 
> OK now. Let's see the source for the field-strength readings.

I'd rather see your justification for your incessant complaints about WMTR's signal coverage (or alleged lack thereof) in western Morris County. Are you just going to sit around and complain, or are you going to offer any constructive suggestions about how this situation can be rectified? I have yet to see any such thing from you.

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> > > > I'll Take Sour Puss For A Thousand Alex....
> > > >
> > >
> > > The answer: Who do YOU see when you look in a
> > > mirror? Did I get that right Vanna?
> > >
> >
> > Actually NO YOU DID NOT GET THAT ONE CORRECT. Mine was a
> > JEOPARDY REFERENCE NOT a Wheel of Fortune one...LOL :-D
> >
> > Think before you post there Tough Guy!!!
> >
> > Let's stop trying to focus on WMTR's signal blending with
> > that Pittsburgh station and focus on what YOU actually
> were
> > talking about so perhaps in the future YOU don't look so
> > foolish with a less-than-intelligent-remark!!
> >
> > LOL....Gee I Really Needed That Laugh!!
> >
> > Thanks Harold!! Enjoy the cheese with your Wine!!!
> >
>
> Jeopardy. Wheel of Fortune. Who cares? I don't
> spend my time watching mindless game shows. There
> are more interesting things to do with the time.
> I crown you Game Show Expert. I'm not. Shame.
>
> What I was talking about was that WMTR has a poor
> signal to the west. Only their sales department
> would tell you otherwise. I'm sorry you don't like
> the idea, but facts are facts.
>
> I like a nice glass of wine occasionally but please,
> I wouldn't want to take any of your cheese stash.
> Nibble away.
>

I don't understand all this talk about WMTR having a poor signal to the West. That isn't true. Here in Sussex County, I get them during the day. Not a night usually. Even though I didn't intend for this type of discussion, I'll jump in anyway. Which AM oldies station in North NJ has the strongest signal? I get 1500 WGHT, 1250 WMTR, and 1160 WVNJ in Sussex County through the day. The Morris County stations all come into Sussex County. Yes, the signal isn't as strong, but it is listenable.

Also, Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune are great shows and not mindless!<P ID="signature">______________
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Jeopardy. Wheel of Fortune. Who cares? I don't
> spend my time watching mindless game shows. There
> are more interesting things to do with the time.
> I crown you Game Show Expert. I'm not. Shame.
>
> What I was talking about was that WMTR has a poor
> signal to the west. Only their sales department
> would tell you otherwise. I'm sorry you don't like
> the idea, but facts are facts.
>
> I like a nice glass of wine occasionally but please,
> I wouldn't want to take any of your cheese stash.
> Nibble away.
>

First of ALL...NO ONE IS DISPUTING THAT STATION'S COVERAGE TO THE WEST. Having said that YOU are the one that keeps HARPING on it. Get over it unless YOU can shell out the money to buy adjacent stations and shut them down. Quite frankly it has not a damn thing to do with the fact that "I don't like
the idea, but facts are facts." My life still rolls on. I doubt I'll ever lose sleep because a radio stations signal isn't making into "Old McHarold's Farm" in either Warren or Sussex county. If I were YOU I'd put more effort into making sure that my appreance didn't associate me the people in the locales.

Oh and the cheese comment...BEYOND TACKY!! Definitely DRIER than the Sahara Desert...Back to the drawing board BIG GUY!!

Oh yeah and if you are going to "Crown" ME Game Show Expert...Put your imagination to GOOD USE and imagine what I would crown YOU ;-)

I must be going now...I have to go scan the radio dial for stations that claim to cover a particular area when they don't so I can lose sleep over it...LOL!!

Ba-Bye Now!!
 
Are you just going to
> sit around and complain, or are you going to offer any
> constructive suggestions about how this situation can be
> rectified? I have yet to see any such thing from you.
>

Right On.... You sound an awful lot like me...Bigger Fish to Fry huh!!

~DJinNJ
 
>
> Also, Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune are great shows and not
> mindless!
>


LOOK...for every "Idiotic Enemy" I make, I gain a "Friend" along the way!!

Very Touching... I mean how can you mistake Vanna White to be associated with Jeopardy?? Someone spends too much time in the John with the Lubriderm I guess...
 
Re: Suggestion

> > OK now. Let's see the source for the field-strength
> readings.
>
> I'd rather see your justification for your incessant
> complaints about WMTR's signal coverage (or alleged lack
> thereof) in western Morris County. Are you just going to
> sit around and complain, or are you going to offer any
> constructive suggestions about how this situation can be
> rectified? I have yet to see any such thing from you.
>

Just as I suspected, your signal-strength figures
were substantially more fantasy than fact.

Among the things you excel at is exaggeration. I
have not made "incessant complaints about WMTR's
signal coverage." Indeed, if you see my original
post it was just an observation that WMTR does not
have the type of signal coverage suggested by the
first poster.

Suggestions to improve the signal coverage of
WMTR? Sure. Have the chief go out and by
bags and bags of rock salt. Sprinkle it liberally
over the ground system and water generously. Then
watch all those listeners call in from distant parts!!
Heh, heh.
 
> Are you just going to
> > sit around and complain, or are you going to offer any
> > constructive suggestions about how this situation can be
> > rectified? I have yet to see any such thing from you.
> >
>
> Right On.... You sound an awful lot like me...Bigger Fish to
> Fry huh!!
>
> ~DJinNJ
>

"Right On?" Well get on down with your bad self bro.

"You sound an awful lot like me." And he should be
proud of that???

"Bigger Fish to Fry" No...One less bell to answer.
 
Re: Go Bucs

> First of ALL...NO ONE IS DISPUTING THAT STATION'S COVERAGE
> TO THE WEST. Having said that YOU are the one that keeps
> HARPING on it. Get over it unless YOU can shell out the
> money to buy adjacent stations and shut them down. Quite
> frankly it has not a damn thing to do with the fact that "I
> don't like
> the idea, but facts are facts." My life still rolls on. I
> doubt I'll ever lose sleep because a radio stations signal
> isn't making into "Old McHarold's Farm" in either Warren or
> Sussex county. If I were YOU I'd put more effort into making
> sure that my appreance didn't associate me the people in the
> locales.
>
> Oh and the cheese comment...BEYOND TACKY!! Definitely DRIER
> than the Sahara Desert...Back to the drawing board BIG GUY!!
>
>
> Oh yeah and if you are going to "Crown" ME Game Show
> Expert...Put your imagination to GOOD USE and imagine what I
> would crown YOU ;-)
>
> I must be going now...I have to go scan the radio dial for
> stations that claim to cover a particular area when they
> don't so I can lose sleep over it...LOL!!
>
> Ba-Bye Now!!
>


You gave a "First of all" but didn't favor us with
a "Second of all" or even beyond. But don't trouble
yourself. We collectively have decided not to hold
our breaths.

"NO ONE IS DISPUTING THAT STATION'S COVERAGE TO THE WEST."

Sure there is. One of your buddies gave out statistics
on the field strengths around Morris County but seems
reluctant to reveal the source of that information. Maybe
Mark Felt knows. Or that guy who's so vain. The one
with the apricot scarf.

Your passionate defense of WMTR suggests that you
have more than a casual listener's interest in the
place. Do you work there?

That stuff about Warren and Sussex counties. I didn't
bring that up. What's with that? Has someone else
mentioned those counties to you?

"If I were YOU I'd put more effort into making sure
that my appreance didn't associate me the people in
the locales." I always wanted to learn Greek.

Glad you liked the cheese thing. Wallace and I like
Wensleydale.

I don't lose sleep over WMTR. In fact, at night I
set the radio to 1250 kHz and fall asleep to
Pittsburgh sports. How about those Pirates!!!
 
> I don't understand all this talk about WMTR having a poor
> signal to the West. That isn't true. Here in Sussex County,
> I get them during the day. Not a night usually. Even though
> I didn't intend for this type of discussion, I'll jump in
> anyway. Which AM oldies station in North NJ has the
> strongest signal? I get 1500 WGHT, 1250 WMTR, and 1160 WVNJ
> in Sussex County through the day. The Morris County stations
> all come into Sussex County. Yes, the signal isn't as
> strong, but it is listenable.
>
> Also, Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune are great shows and not
> mindless!
>

First you say you "don't understand all this talk about WMTR
having a poor signal to the West." Then later in the paragraph
you admit "Yes, the signal isn't as strong, but it is listenable."

Thanks for agreeing with my original contention...that WMTR
does not have a strong signal to the west. Some of your friends
here take issue on that score.

What is a "listenable" signal for a radio enthusiast is a
channel-skipper for the typical listener. Stations spend
considerable thought..and money..trying to make the
signal sound strong. Powerful, punchy audio cuts through
on a band sweep and gets the listener to take notice.
Indeed, many people simply tune to the strongest station
on the dial because it is more pleasant hearing music or
talk than it is power-line noise or that static from the
light dimmer in the next room. A great deal of WABC's
success over the years has been their excellent signal.
It's all about marketing in the end.

OK. Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy aren't mindless
shows. I'll tune in next time I'm preparing my
doctoral dissertation.
 
> >
> > Also, Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune are great shows and
> not
> > mindless!
> >
>
>
> LOOK...for every "Idiotic Enemy" I make, I gain a "Friend"
> along the way!!
>
> Very Touching... I mean how can you mistake Vanna White to
> be associated with Jeopardy?? Someone spends too much time
> in the John with the Lubriderm I guess...
>

Say hello to Steve Hawking next time you're
over for dinner.
 
Suggestion to Harold

> Just as I suspected, your signal-strength figures
> were substantially more fantasy than fact.

Allow me to correct what I said. WMTR's daytime 0.5 mV/m FCC Protected Signal Contour (the purple line on this map) covers <U>ALL</U> OF MORRIS COUNTY. So if you are in Morris County and you are not getting an acceptable daytime signal from WMTR, GET A BETTER RADIO!

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Re: Go Bucs

You, to DJinNJ:
> Your passionate defense of WMTR suggests that you
> have more than a casual listener's interest in the
> place. Do you work there?

On the flip side, considering that your entire purpose on this board seems to be to complain about WMTR, leads me to believe that you used to work for them, and are now upset that they aren't doing things up to your standards -- even though you have offered absolutely no useful suggestions about how they could improve things so that they do live up to your standards.

If you want a more worthy North Jersey cause to follow, why not join the people who moved next to the Armstrong Tower in Apline and are now demanding that it be torn down because it's an eyesore -- even though it predated their existence by more than half a century? That kind of argument is about as logical as the ones you've posted here in regard to WMTR and other northern NJ radio stations.
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Re: Go Bucs

>
> Your passionate defense of WMTR suggests that you
> have more than a casual listener's interest in the
> place. Do you work there?
>


Actaully NO I don't and I CAN ACTUALLY HEAR THE STATION so looking back on it, I couldn't even care what YOU have to say. YOU want to hear 'MTR so bad then MOVE and LEAVE THE LIVESTOCK BEHIND!!

I cannot believe how much time I have wasted talking to a complete "Stick in the Mud/Fuddy Duddy!!"

Misery Loves Company and Just MAYBE THEY ARE SERVING YOUR FAVORITES...WINE AND CHEESE!!

Pardon me again...I'm off to look for static on the AM Band and complain on an open-forum and not contact the STATION ITSELF with these issues...
 
Re: Happy, Happy, Happy

> > Just as I suspected, your signal-strength figures
> > were substantially more fantasy than fact.
>
> Allow me to correct what I said. WMTR's daytime 0.5 mV/m
> FCC Protected Signal Contour (the purple line on this map)
> covers ALL OF MORRIS COUNTY. So if you are in Morris County
> and you are not getting an acceptable daytime signal from
> WMTR, GET A BETTER RADIO!
>

Ah Ha!! Radio-locator.com. Your source for
those field-strength readings. But does
reality match the map you presented? Why
don't we ask the people who presented it on
the Web..radio-locator.com themselves. Here's
what they say about their own maps:

"...we also hope you understand that they are
"predictions" based upon the information that
we have available to us, and that your actual
reception of these stations may vary considerably."

Yes, my friend, predictions!! Fact? No. A guess?
Yes!! The phrase to remember here is "vary
considerably."

The next time you look at one of these maps from
radio-locator.com remember that they describe
them only as predictions, not representative of
the actual coverage area.

That all being said, remember that terrain, ground
conductivity, antenna construction, etc. all affect
how a coverage pattern will look. As any chief would
tell you, field-strength readings vary, even during a
single day.

For those of you from out of the area, rest assured
that WMTR does not have a good signal to the west of
their Hanover transmitter. Receivable? Yes. Sounding
punchy and strong? No. And the bottom line, engineering-wise,
is to produce a signal at the listener's receiver that's
going to make that listener a fan. If the received signal
doesn't rise enough above the local noise level than the
listener will become a...former listener. And advertisers
don't run ads for those who don't listen.

A bit about radios that westlife enjoys discussing.
When a station is designed a good chief engineer,
or the consulting company if they go that way, has
to consider the entire system, not just the resources
available at the transmitter site. No matter how much
power you squirt into the aether you still have to
understand what's happening at the listener's end.

Many listeners are in the challenging environment of
the automobile. Even the best car radio has difficulty
coping with the noise-filled world of New Jersey's
highways and byways. Ignitions, traffic signals, power lines,
etc. make listening marginal in many areas. The solution,
of course, is for the station to provide enough signal to
mask the locally generated noise. However, many drivers
will tolerate noise if what's on the radio is sufficiently
interesting. But not for too long. If another station has
an interference-free signal that listener will be tempted
to linger on that spot on the dial.

Listeners at home have a choice of table radios, clock radios,
and portables, such as walkmans. Most of those appliances
aren't built for DXing. In fact, without sounding like a
codger, many of the All-American Five tube radios from the
1950s exhibit finer reception than the stuff you take off
the shelf in Wal-Mart's electronics department.

It's curious how passionate some people are in defending
anything they sense is a slur against WMTR. I wasn't
demeaning the station. Only pointing out that it doesn't
have a good signal to the west. I suspect their chief would
acknowledge that. So why all the vitriole, sarcasm, etc.?
Beats me. Perhaps one or both of my challengers work for
or have some other connection with WMTR. No problem there
but gee, you don't have to get bent out of shape.

Maybe I'll start another thread. How about discussing the
merits of a 3-letter callsign versus a 4-letter one? That
thread would run off the right edge of my monitor!!
 
Re: Go Bucs

> >
> > Your passionate defense of WMTR suggests that you
> > have more than a casual listener's interest in the
> > place. Do you work there?
> >
>
>
> Actaully NO I don't and I CAN ACTUALLY HEAR THE STATION so
> looking back on it, I couldn't even care what YOU have to
> say. YOU want to hear 'MTR so bad then MOVE and LEAVE THE
> LIVESTOCK BEHIND!!
>
> I cannot believe how much time I have wasted talking to a
> complete "Stick in the Mud/Fuddy Duddy!!"
>
> Misery Loves Company and Just MAYBE THEY ARE SERVING YOUR
> FAVORITES...WINE AND CHEESE!!
>
> Pardon me again...I'm off to look for static on the AM Band
> and complain on an open-forum and not contact the STATION
> ITSELF with these issues...
>

If it's true what you say, that "I couldn't even care what
YOU have to say," than why are you reading this post??!!
Gotcha!!

Why in the world should I contact WMTR? Really. I'm
not especially fond of their format and can only
receive them here and there. I have no financial interest
in the place. Who owns them now? Greater Media? If they
sell the station I couldn't care less. I would feel sorry
for kids in Hanover who wouldn't have a good signal to
try out their fox-hole and crystal radios. If you're close
enough you can develop enough voltage to drive an
impedance-matched speaker. It's really cool.
 
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