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Now Playing on K-Earth - Classic Rock! (Well, sorta...)

I have noticed that lately K-Earth has been very cautiously dipping its toe in a new pool of classic rock to try and add just a bit of variety to their improved but still tiresome on-air library. Of course they have always had artists like the Doobie Brothers and CCR which fit comfortably in both the classic rock and classic hits formats, but now they have become ever-so-slightly more aggressive by adding newcomers to the list that include Dire Straits "Sultans of Swing". Foreigner's "Double Vision", "Walk this Way" by Aerosmith, and just about all of the major hits by David Bowie (I guess he must test well these days). They haven't gone all in by any means - still no sign of Led Zep, Deep Purple, or Black Sabbath, so the kids are still safe.

The results have been decidedly K-Earthish, which is to say, if there is a new way for them to take the joy out of your old favorite songs, they will find it. To wit:

Heard "Young American's" by David Bowie this morning and they cut a full minute or more out of the song to, as Billy Joel once sang, "cut it down to 3:05". K-Earth has a long tradition of playing the three minute hit versions of otherwise longer songs such as the Doors' "Light My Fire", but this edit was so bad and it cut right from chorus to the end of the song's coda that it had to be a hack inside job. No label would release something that bad. I notice this stuff all the time because I am both a radio and music fan, but this hack splice job had to be jarring even to casual listeners.

Next Up, "Sultans of Swing". No edit here, but they quite obviously sped the song up. It's supposed to be a relaxed, somewhat bluesy song, but K-Earth's version felt like it was sprinting to the finish line. Maybe they do that with a lot of hit songs these days, so they think their audience won't notice, but certain classic rock hits are so ingrained in a lot of listeners minds they, like I, know exactly where every note goes and to hear the song messed with is again rather disconcerting. Makes me want to turn OFF a song I might otherwise want to turn UP. Whatever may happen, please God, do not let these people get ahold of the Steely Dan catalog!
 
ChannelFlipper said:
Heard "Young American's" by David Bowie this morning and they cut a full minute or more out of the song to, as Billy Joel once sang, "cut it down to 3:05". K-Earth has a long tradition of playing the three minute hit versions of otherwise longer songs such as the Doors' "Light My Fire", but this edit was so bad and it cut right from chorus to the end of the song's coda that it had to be a hack inside job. No label would release something that bad. I notice this stuff all the time because I am both a radio and music fan, but this hack splice job had to be jarring even to casual listeners.

Doubtful. The single's label time was 3:16, but the extremely abrupt fade hit at about 3:07.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3TMbFFrl-4
 
The complaints about KRTH never cease to amaze me. Before Jhani Kaye took over all the complaining was about the short playlist. Then Kaye showed up, turned the station around and expanded the playlist considerably. Then something happened. People started complaining again.

I find KRTH's music to be pretty well maintained. Yes, things repeat, but not for long as they move their songs/packets around quite a bit. I too have noticed more rock on the station, and I think it's for the better. The songs that were mentioned above are all over 30 years old, and all were top 40 hits in their day, so they don't sound out of place. They do seem to stick to the single versions of these songs, but that's not so bad. Plus, shorter songs mean you can fit more music in your hour. Personally, I don't need the 7 minute version of Light My Fire, it's too repetitive. Most long versions are a waste of time. You can compain about it, but really, stations have edited songs since God knows when. I've seen it at literally every station I've worked at, so nothing new there. The real problem is people listening to KRTH too much. If you listen non-stop, you will notice the rotation, just like you will on most stations, no matter the format. It's been that way for decades. Plus, the station has to evolve or it will die. You have to start playing newer songs as your listeners age out of the demos and you want to replace them with younger people coming in to the demo. If anything, KRTH is sounding stale because it hasn't changed it's imaging since the early 90's. If imaging stays the same, all you can change are djs and music. Maybe it's time for newer jingles and a different image voice?
 
It's easy to forget that there were specific "radio only" releases for some titles "back in the day" that only showed up on the white label promo 45 when it was originally released. You know the ones where the song was the mono edit on side one and the flip was the stereo edit.

A perfect example of a "radio only" release is Supertramp's "Bloody Well Right". The promo 45 is a completely different edit than any of the "single edit" versions that followed. The only place I've heard this particular edit, including Gold Disc versions, was only on that original promo 45. The promo 45 version blows off the entire piano intro and starts hard on the downbeat of the guitar with an :18 intro, and has the typical 3:30-3:45 run time. Of all of my promo versions this was the best of the short edits as it sounded great coming out of a shotgun jingle. Very powerful...
 
Some of those promo edits were also remixed to emphasize certain instruments(Fleetwood Mac's "Over My Head" and "You Make Loving Fun")...and some were sped up by the record label itself (Bob Dylan's "Tangled Up In Blue" and Gerry Rafferty's "Baker Street").
 
And, in the latter half of the 1960s, didn't KRTH's former sister station KHJ speed up almost all of their records by 5% to make them sound "brighter"? Of course I wasn't aware of that back then, so when I'd buy a 45 and play it, I'd think, "Man, this sounds slow!"
 
calguy said:
The complaints about KRTH never cease to amaze me. Before Jhani Kaye took over all the complaining was about the short playlist.

KRTH has improved a lot since the pre Kaye days. I believe that the complaints today would relate to continued repetition of the same songs by the same artists. In other words, why only "Light My Fire", but not "Riders on the Storm"? or why "Hotel California" but not "I Can't tell You Why"? People notice these things, even if they are light listeners. Yes, many people could careless and take what they throw out, but others want to hear the "other" songs by popular artists, that never get aired in the first place.

I'm not saying play some song that peaked at #79 for pete's sake, but most songs in the top 10 that were played heavily in it's day, should be played today as classic hits. People remember those songs too and that's what they are complaining about: The lack of selection among any given artist or group that have many hits in their discographies.
 
calguy said:
Personally, I don't need the 7 minute version of Light My Fire, it's too repetitive. Most long versions are a waste of time. You can compain about it, but really, stations have edited songs since God knows when.

Some songs must be played at album length, otherwise (for me anyways) they are tuneouts.

Beginnings, American Pie, That's the Way of the World, I'm Not In Love,Come Sail Away, Nights in White Satin and yes, Light My Fire.
 
KRTH will probably never again play the Chambers Brothers' Time Has Come Today but there were three different edits of the song on 45: the first was a pathetic 2:37, the second was 3:05, the third was 4:45. The album version was 11:06. And of course the song included cowbells, which should appease those of you who like to chant "More cowbell!" ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/More_cowbell
 
LARadioRewind said:
And, in the latter half of the 1960s, didn't KRTH's former sister station KHJ speed up almost all of their records by 5% to make them sound "brighter"? Of course I wasn't aware of that back then, so when I'd buy a 45 and play it, I'd think, "Man, this sounds slow!"

It was 1974. Gerry Peterson was the PD. He was there for a year. When Charlie Van Dyke took his place in 1975, he ordered the practice stopped, but by that point the station was on cart and CVD told me that previously carted stuff was simply allowed to remain at the old speed until there was a reason to re-cart. Within a year or so, it was all back to normal.
 
LARadioRewind said:
KRTH will probably never again play the Chambers Brothers' Time Has Come Today but there were three different edits of the song on 45: the first was a pathetic 2:37, the second was 3:05, the third was 4:45. The album version was 11:06. And of course the song included cowbells, which should appease those of you who like to chant "More cowbell!" ;)

If I recall correctly, Bruce Dickinson produced that song...didn't he? "I got a feev-uh, and the only prescription is more cowbell!" Kay-Earth, One Oh One.
 
Remember in 1971 when KHJ would usually play only Part 1 or Part 2 of Don McLean's American Pie and seldom play the complete 8:36 song? A few months later, the Temptations refused to shorten Papa Was A Rolling Stone even though Motown founder Berry Gordy Jr. predicted that stations wouldn't play the song in its entirety. It was 6:58.....and stations played it.....and it went to number one. There ya go!
 
LARadioRewind said:
Remember in 1971 when KHJ would usually play only Part 1 or Part 2 of Don McLean's American Pie and seldom play the complete 8:36 song? A few months later, the Temptations refused to shorten Papa Was A Rolling Stone even though Motown founder Berry Gordy Jr. predicted that stations wouldn't play the song in its entirety. It was 6:58.....and stations played it.....and it went to number one. There ya go!

Well, SOME stations played it. KHJ got it down to around 4:00 by shortening the intro and fading early.

And the single was an edit. The album version was 9 minutes.
 
michael hagerty said:
LARadioRewind said:
Remember in 1971 when KHJ would usually play only Part 1 or Part 2 of Don McLean's American Pie and seldom play the complete 8:36 song? A few months later, the Temptations refused to shorten Papa Was A Rolling Stone even though Motown founder Berry Gordy Jr. predicted that stations wouldn't play the song in its entirety. It was 6:58.....and stations played it.....and it went to number one. There ya go!

Well, SOME stations played it. KHJ got it down to around 4:00 by shortening the intro and fading early.

And the single was an edit. The album version was 9 minutes.

Heck I'd never heard any version but the single edit Of "Papa was a Rolling Stone".
I didn't even know there was a longer version until I bought the LP...

In my experience on Top-40 radio AM and FM from 1970 and up, the only long versions we played were Stairway to Heaven, Nights in White Satin, American Pie, Light my Fire, but all were dayparted "nights only".
 
Jay Walker said:
michael hagerty said:
LARadioRewind said:
Remember in 1971 when KHJ would usually play only Part 1 or Part 2 of Don McLean's American Pie and seldom play the complete 8:36 song? A few months later, the Temptations refused to shorten Papa Was A Rolling Stone even though Motown founder Berry Gordy Jr. predicted that stations wouldn't play the song in its entirety. It was 6:58.....and stations played it.....and it went to number one. There ya go!

Well, SOME stations played it. KHJ got it down to around 4:00 by shortening the intro and fading early.

And the single was an edit. The album version was 9 minutes.

Heck I'd never heard any version but the single edit Of "Papa was a Rolling Stone".
I didn't even know there was a longer version until I bought the LP...

In my experience on Top-40 radio AM and FM from 1970 and up, the only long versions we played were Stairway to Heaven, Nights in White Satin, American Pie, Light my Fire, but all were dayparted "nights only".

Yep. Spot loads were lighter. There was often anywhere from 6 to 10 extra minutes for music, so the long version of a song or two was just the thing. Plus, in the early 70s, the real numbers for album rock stations were at night, so it helped credibility for a Top 40 station to do that.

The elegant solution later were Dave Sholin's edits at KFRC, which would make a point of incorporating something only the long album version had but would edit something else out, keeping the length about that of the single. At the time, I thought I was hearing long versions. It's only on repeated listens to unscoped airchecks years later that I caught it.
 
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