'RXP is a total trainwreck going from Aerosmith and ZZ Top to indie music to late 90s pop-punk and alternapop to 60s psychedelia. I remember one time turning it on and hearing Fastway "Say What You Will" and then they play an acoustic singer-songwriter and then there's all the Foreigner and small selection of Foo Fighters tracks played but it just does not mesh together. They're trying too hard to be a modern-day progressive station and don't realize what songs don't sound good together. And, if you're waiting to hear Godsmack and Disturbed, you're screwed, I even heard one jock bashing Metallica once so they're not very friendly to the hard rock crowd (the modern hard rock crowd, that is- they play plenty of AC/DC and Rush but then again so does 104.3).
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Brooklyndon said:
Linkin Park's new song from Tramsformer's 2 is doing well, along with Saving Abel, Kings of Leon, New Pearl Jam, Shinedown, Nickelback. I know these bands don't fit the snooty "NYC Alternative" style. But they are Rock bands performing within the Billboard 200.
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The Truth said:
That's all he ever does! It seems to be his raison detre. He's a quintessential fanatic.
Oh, and remind us Nick how much you pledged to Pulse during its farcical one-day fund drive, if you please! ;DTheBigA said:
I wasn't alive for Bruce or the Eagles so I'm really fumbling in the dark trying to understand what broad appeal is. What about No Doubt? They started in the rock world, kicked around there for most of the mid and late 90's and then departed for the world of top 40 to star the '00s. Loved by many, played by all.
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bruce? how many #1 singles did bruce have? uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ZERO.... Nickelback and Creed both came out within the last 15 years and have seen huge success...they are both on rock stations and AC stations..as well as top 40...ill go as far as saying they both might have sold more albums than bruce springsteen...terrible example...and no one will ever touch the eagles..music isnt made as good as theirs anymore...
881. is 3 different stations where I live in old greenwich. 88.7 had my attention one night with active rock but 88.5 Kills it in the stamford Ct area.
Like I said, I would love to listen to online radio but there is no cell service to do online radio here in Old Greenwich.
Like I said, I would love to listen to online radio but there is no cell service to do online radio here in Old Greenwich.
frozenfiresb said:
Comparing Nickelback and Creed to Bruce and The Eagles? Good God!
First of all, Nickelback and Creed both exist among a sea of bands that all have a very generic sound - in so many ways, they are completely interchangeable with tons of bands that came out over the past 10-15 years. They just happen to have the best promotional/marketing team of the lot.
Next: Nickelback and Creed are chick rock bands. Most of their fans happen to be female and large parts of the catalogs of both bands consist of sentimental balladry that tugs at their heartstrings. Neither band has performed well on the rock charts lately, and rock stations that choose to play them are clearly shooting for the female demos.
I think a more apt comparison to Nickelback and Creed would be the big, dumb, overproduced corporate rock acts of the '70s and '80s: Journey, REO Speedwagon, Foreigner, Styx, Loverboy, etc. Think about it: The critics hated them all and criticized the generic sound and dunderheaded lyrics of all these bands, yet they all went on to huge success having several hits and playing shows at stadiums. They're like the According To Jim of rock music.
Nickelback and Creed might be huge and have a lot of big hits, but it's the soccer moms that have played the biggest part in their success - ditto for 3 Doors Down, Daughtry, Hinder, and other similar acts.
The bands that TheBigA mentions seem to have more universal appeal ... at least that goes for Foo Fighters and Linkin Park (the latter of whom I can't stand, but oh well). Sadly, Radiohead doesn't seem to have much of a presence on radio - the only song the FM stations around here ever play is "Creep", and that song is to Radiohead what "Shiny Happy People" is to R.E.M.
First of all, Nickelback and Creed both exist among a sea of bands that all have a very generic sound - in so many ways, they are completely interchangeable with tons of bands that came out over the past 10-15 years. They just happen to have the best promotional/marketing team of the lot.
Next: Nickelback and Creed are chick rock bands. Most of their fans happen to be female and large parts of the catalogs of both bands consist of sentimental balladry that tugs at their heartstrings. Neither band has performed well on the rock charts lately, and rock stations that choose to play them are clearly shooting for the female demos.
I think a more apt comparison to Nickelback and Creed would be the big, dumb, overproduced corporate rock acts of the '70s and '80s: Journey, REO Speedwagon, Foreigner, Styx, Loverboy, etc. Think about it: The critics hated them all and criticized the generic sound and dunderheaded lyrics of all these bands, yet they all went on to huge success having several hits and playing shows at stadiums. They're like the According To Jim of rock music.
Nickelback and Creed might be huge and have a lot of big hits, but it's the soccer moms that have played the biggest part in their success - ditto for 3 Doors Down, Daughtry, Hinder, and other similar acts.
The bands that TheBigA mentions seem to have more universal appeal ... at least that goes for Foo Fighters and Linkin Park (the latter of whom I can't stand, but oh well). Sadly, Radiohead doesn't seem to have much of a presence on radio - the only song the FM stations around here ever play is "Creep", and that song is to Radiohead what "Shiny Happy People" is to R.E.M.
The things that bothers me about the "Alternative" rock chart is that most of the bands on the chart are butt rock bands like Nickelback, Seether etc. They aren't real alternative bands. Which leads to many stations claiming they're alternative, when really they're playing butt rock.
IMO, NY rock radio needs to open up more to the music across the pond. Brit/Euro rock is so shut out here except for a hand full of new bands. (I'm not talkin' about the classics.) All rock generes can be programmed on one station, done right. Programmers must know the history, to get it right. No one really mixes the flow right anymore. Too choppy, and the same songs over and over.
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Brooklyndon said:
Given what we're speaking of in terms of "rock", No Doubt was always too inherently bubblegummy (in a retro-new-wavey way), and pretty much "Top 40" from the start (the only reason it might seem otherwise is that they didn't release singles at a time when Billboard only charted single releases, hence "Just A Girl" and "Don't Speak" weren't Hot 100 hits at all despite being by any account among the biggest hits of their time, etc)
If I try to think of anything that embodies hypothetical "broad appeal" today in the classic Eagles/Springsteen/U2 sense (as opposed to the REO/Styx/Journey sense embodied by Nickelback & Creed), the one name that sticks out is Coldplay--and even they're a little too "Starbucks demo" for comfort.
The trouble, I think, for replicating the "broad appeal" formula today is that cultural demographics have changed a lot since the peak days of the Eagles and Bruce--most particularly, a big "heartland" swath of what generated the success of said artists hived off to a primarily country realm in the 90s and 00s; which might as well be redneck yokelville as far as a lot of New Yorkers are concerned...
MarcR said:The Truth said:
That's all he ever does! It seems to be his raison detre. He's a quintessential fanatic.
There's also some posters here who only seem to post things criticizing Pulse. I think it's safe to say those posters are quintessential fanatics (or obsessed) as well!
TheWitch said:
RXP would be the perfect candidate to do this. Instead, RXP is the poster child for a station that is way, way off with the music it plays. There's times when the station sounds like the old 'LIR, times when it sounds like PLJ, and times when it sounds like Q104.3. At one point earlier this evening, they played Tom Petty, Nirvana and the Rolling Stones consecutively... at another point they segued from Paul McCartney to the Beastie Boys. They somehow manage to be both unoriginal and unpredictable at the same time.
adma said:
The tragic kingdom singles were really accessable, but album was really cutting edge. Tracks like Excuse Me Mister, Sunday Morning, and almost everyone on the return of saturn album was pure late 90s surfer girl alternative goodness. Which is strang it appealled to me as I was a male teenager from the Boston suburbs nowhere near any surfboards. Going back today and listening to Spiderwebs, the ode to call screening technology, reminds me of a quainter era before facebook and iPhones and you could pretend you weren't home.
adma said:
Great call. But if you talk about Coldplay as a band with universal appeal, you have to mention the killers in the same breath.
Guys, let's keep Pulse out of this thread. This is not about Pulse, it's about the rock format. Just as much as we don't want rock fans bashing the dance format, we should not bash the rock format. We don't have to stoop, that's what I'm sayin'.
I do find this to be an interesting thread though because the problem isn't just New York, or for that matter the metro area. To me it does seem as if current rock is suffering an identity crisis. I agree with TheWitch that perhaps more bands over the pond should get here somehow. I also think there is a lot of local talent here as well that can be tapped onto rock radio.
I do find this to be an interesting thread though because the problem isn't just New York, or for that matter the metro area. To me it does seem as if current rock is suffering an identity crisis. I agree with TheWitch that perhaps more bands over the pond should get here somehow. I also think there is a lot of local talent here as well that can be tapped onto rock radio.
There's another thread floating around where someone's complaining about the "invasion" of 90's music on the airwaves. This is very true for AC stations. But, for rock stations (especially the shrinking CBS cluster), a lot of them are cutting down on '90's music and playing more played-out arena rock and AC/DC and Van Halen. I wonder how long it'll be before there's an exclusively 90s/early 2000's rock station.
frozenfiresb said:
That pretty much applies to the Philly/NJ Greater Media cluster as well (WMMR, WDHA, WRAT). They're all classic rock stations where the bulk of their '90s material consists of the Seattle movement, RHCP and Siamese Dream/Mellon Collie-era Pumpkins. And as far as this decade is concerned, it's all about the most regressive arena dreck you could think of: Nickelback, Hinder, Creed, 3 Doors Down, Saving Abel, Theory Of A Deadman, Shinedown, Buckcherry, etc. Everything else, including edgier alt-rock, alt-metal, and even top-selling acts like Tool, receive limited airtime or none at all.
I live in Ocean County and the relative dearth of music from the '90s and today (and to an extent, even the '80s) on rock formats is very surprising. You really begin to wonder why some 18-45 demos seem as though they're not coveted at all by broadcasters around here. Are they known to really be taking it on the chin in this recession?
SoulCrusher said:
You raise a good point, and one that I think about a lot. I feel it comes down to the fact that many radio owners/programmers feel that the culturally savvy 18-30 audience who listens to edgier, alt-rock, art-metal, etc. just is no longer willing to embrace rock radio. This could be why we experience a never-ending onslaught of mook/post-grunge hacks who dominate whatever small share of the pie us rock fans have in terms of radio.
p_herring said:
But thankfully they still give us an outlet to listen to music on K-Rock(2). Their online stream is about spot on. Lots of british stuff, lots of local stuff, tracks from the 80s and 90s thrown in. Great station.
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