NYC ARBITRON PPM RATINGS RELEASED: NOVEMBER 2010

[TheWitch]

You definitely have pick the right rock blend to make it work and then you need personality not necessarily celebrity. Back in the day, WNEW jocks actually picked their own music and each had their own delivery. Rock music was blended. You heard Eagles along with Kiss. Jackson Brown along with Joe Jackson, Joni Mitchell along with The Pretenders etc., all on the same station. It has to be done right and with talented ears. No one takes the time to really listen and segue the songs that work well together. It can be done. Takes time. That's the problem IMO.

 

[atlantaboy]

There are dozens and dozens of possible formats in the Spanish language. One of the ones on the air in Miami is Hot AC. There is also a classic hits station, a rhythmic hits station, a personality AC, a salsa station, a regional Mexican staiton, and two "more music" AC's as well as Colombian focused talk, Cuban oriented talk (several), Catholic religious, Evangelical religious and internationally focused talk.

You are also oversimplifying the English language stations. WEDR is urban, WHYI CHR, WHQT Urban AC, WPOW CHurban, WMIA rhythmic AC/adult hits, etc., etc.

I know man - I'm just pointing out that the market for new pop/rock/alternative music seems to be dwindling in NYC, and it's almost nonexistent in Miami

And lol you don't have to go to Fargo to hear rock - just drive an hour to Philadelphia

 

[davideduardo]

Hey, you can do until n=10^e6 and Spanish will still be considered a programming format to those of us who don't speak the language. It all sounds the same. Those of us who don't get into CHR, Hip-Hop and Rhythmic music will lump it into the same category as well. To the non-aficionado, it all sounds the same. Semantics aside, that's the reality.

One of the reasons to read posts here is to learn something new.

It's interesting that people in Latin America and, indeed, much of the world, know the difference between English language pop, hip-hop, AC, rock, etc. I suppose that it should not be surprising that, in the country where "bilingual" seems to be a dirty word, anyone would assume that other linguistic groups have only one style of music of their own.

 

[satech]

One of the reasons to read posts here is to learn something new.

Yes, but it's difficult to explain in text -- and then remember -- the exact differention between various music styles within any non-English genre. It's fairly easy for the uninitiated Anglo to tell the difference between the slower AC/Oldies-type music on 93.1 and the more uptempo music on 92.7, 96.3, and 97.9. But in the latter category, I know if I ventured a guess as to exactly which nationalities and music styles are represented on each station, I'd probably get it wrong.

Likewise, there are several Asian languages represented on NYC's time-brokered AM stations, but I'd have to do some research to tell you which is which -- nor could I tell the difference between, say, Russian and Ukranian at a quick listen.

 

[musichead1029]

It's interesting that people in Latin America and, indeed, much of the world, know the difference between English language pop, hip-hop, AC, rock, etc. I suppose that it should not be surprising that, in the country where "bilingual" seems to be a dirty word, anyone would assume that other linguistic groups have only one style of music of their own.

I think it's less an issue of not being aware of the non-English format differences than the simple impenetrability of the foreign language to the average U.S. listener. The inhabitants of most countries speak English to some degree as a second, or third language. That's mostly not the case with other languages here in the U.S. The differences in non-English formats are of interest to many of the readers here, but to the average listener the distinction is likely lost.

 

[davideduardo]

I think it's less an issue of not being aware of the non-English format differences than the simple impenetrability of the foreign language to the average U.S. listener. The inhabitants of most countries speak English to some degree as a second, or third language.

That argument fails because, outside the nations where English is the primary language, like the US and Australia or where it is considered one of two national/official languages, like Canada and India, English is known only by the better educated or those in industries that depend on English abilities, such as tourism... (exceptions being cases like those on borders of countries that don't share a language or foreign trade zones).

For example, where I lived for nearly 30 years, Puerto Rico, USA, at least half the population has no English ability; English is not required in public schools and has not been for roughly 50 years. Truly bilinguals may be, perhaps, 10% of the population... and that's a part of the USA. Where I also lived, Ecuador, may have 2% to at most 5% of the population able to understand English adequately, and that would be typical of all but the higher socioeconomic levels in much of the world.

 

[davideduardo]

Yes, but it's difficult to explain in text -- and then remember -- the exact differention between various music styles within any non-English genre. It's fairly easy for the uninitiated Anglo to tell the difference between the slower AC/Oldies-type music on 93.1 and the more uptempo music on 92.7, 96.3, and 97.9. But in the latter category, I know if I ventured a guess as to exactly which nationalities and music styles are represented on each station, I'd probably get it wrong.

Likewise, there are several Asian languages represented on NYC's time-brokered AM stations, but I'd have to do some research to tell you which is which -- nor could I tell the difference between, say, Russian and Ukranian at a quick listen.

Good points. Similarly, I could not tell Mandarin from Cantonese were I listening to the "Chinese" programs on LA radio. But I would not call stations with those progams "Chinese formats" but, rather, "Chinese language formats" which allows for many options without seeming to say that what is really a language or nationality is a format.