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NYC Radio Dream Dial

And yet it's been explained many many times that New York, and New Yorkers, move to a rhythmic beat. The huge numbers of African Americans, Latinos, and other first-generation ethnics in the market, who have never shown an iota of interest in country, rock, album alternative or moldy oldies ('50s/'60s), preclude advertiser interest in those formats. New York radio has what most New Yorkers like to listen to. Look to suburban or non-commercial radio for those other genres, start streaming or start paying for SiriusXM.
Lack of advertiser interest in underperforming, tertiary formats like Alternative goes without saying. And, MVB13 refuses to acknowledge the stations that already exist.

AAA - WFUV and 107.1 The Peak
Alt - 92.3 HD2
Country - 94.7 HD2
Moldy oldies - 101.1 HD3

If people won't support what's already there...well, you know the answer.
 
I agree no variety and very boring. The same 10 stations playing the same songs. We have 2 Hot A/Cs, 2 Hip Hop stations, 1 Classic Hip Hop station, 2 sports on FM, 1 news on FM, 2 Spanish Language Stations, 1 A/C, 1 Classic Rock, 1 Adult R&B station, 1 Conservative Talk Station, and 1 Christian Station (non-commercial).
Your numbers here are a bit off. Check your math.

We lack commercial stations including:
1. Alternative Rock
2. AAA
3. Country
4. Variety Hits
5. Oldies
1. We've discussed in the Alt 92.3 thread why that station failed, and why alt rock isn't coming back. Alt rock was poorly executed by a PD who thought he knew what he was doing, and corporate pushed the local management to put WINS on FM. iHeart is the only other real operator in town and all their stations are successful, so no chance.
2. Why do you need commercial AAA in the city proper when you, depending on where you are, can receive WXPK or WFUV?
3. NYC has had many attempts at country. The most recent attempt had one of the worst cumes of a music FM in the city. Can you give a reason for this format to exist in NYC other than "variety"?
4. This seems moot when you have a strong classic hits station, a strong AC, and a strong classic rock station. There is little leeway for a variety hits station to exist, let alone gain traction.
5. WABC airs some oldies on weekends, and there's 101.1 HD3. That's the closest you're gonna get to Oldies radio in NYC unless Catsimitidis buys another pet project AM.

1. 95.5 which was Hot A/C
2. 92.7 which was Spanish Language CHR.
1. WPLJ was a shell of itself when it died, and those listeners have moved on.
2. A station that, because of it's limited signal, did not gain traction and was majorly outmatched by it's main competitor in signal and thus ratings.
 
92.3 - The Block (Classic Rap)
92.7 - Mami (Spanish AC)
93.1 - Today 93.1 (Beautiful Music)
94.7 - RXP (Alternative Rock)
95.5 - PLJ (Basically pre-2006 WKTU)
96.3 - La Kalle (All Reggaeton)
96.7 - The Coast (Classic Hits)
97.1 - Hot 97.1 (Rap)
97.9 - Mega KQ (Classic Salsa and Merengue)
98.7 - Kiss FM (Classic Soul and R&B)
99.1 - K-LOVE (Christian Rock)
100.3 - Z100 (Top 40)
101.1 - Jack FM (80s Hits)
101.9 - CBS Sports Radio (Sports Talk)
102.7 - New 102.7 (Top 40)
103.5 - KTU (Same as PLJ)
104.3 - WADO (Spanish News/Talk)
105.1 - Power 105.1 (Rap)
105.9 - Latino Mix (Spanish Top 40)
106.7 - Lite 106.7 (Lite Rock)
107.1 - Rumba 107 (Latin Pop and Rock)
107.5 - WBLS (R&B)
Today 93.1?

Also, critics say K-Love isn't Christian rock. That, to them, is the problem.

You've got two Top 40s, a station that sounds like WPLJ, and two rap stations, and you left out country, oldies and standards.

Just have one WPLJ, one rap station and one Top 40 and then put the three missing formats on the other stations. To be very specific, country as it was when it was one three different frequencies, the old sound of WCBS-FM, and the old sound of WQEW immediately before it went Radio Disney.
 
Today 93.1?
It was the former name of WPAT before SBS purchased it.
Also, critics say K-Love isn't Christian rock. That, to them, is the problem.
I've listened to K-LOVE a couple of times and it's ALL Christian rock.
You've got two Top 40s, a station that sounds like WPLJ, and two rap stations, and you left out country, oldies and standards.
NEW 102 was originally meant to be Top 40, but they saw the failure that happened with Now and went for Hot AC. PLJ and KTU are the same after all, it wouldn't be so bad killing one of them. Same thing for Power 105.1 and Hot 97. Oldies are what I call classic hits, 96.7 has that, in this scenario, 96.7 broadcasts from the Empire State Building. Country does horribly in New York. Even Alt 92.3 could do better than a country station. I'm also an idiot, so can you explain the meaning of ā€œstandardsā€?
 
Lack of advertiser interest in underperforming, tertiary formats like Alternative goes without saying. And, MVB13 refuses to acknowledge the stations that already exist.

AAA - WFUV and 107.1 The Peak
Alt - 92.3 HD2
Country - 94.7 HD2
Moldy oldies - 101.1 HD3

If people won't support what's already there...well, you know the answer.
They do not exist on actual real FM radio as in most radios do not get the signal.
 
NEW 102 was originally meant to be Top 40, but they saw the failure that happened with Now and went for Hot AC. PLJ and KTU are the same after all, it wouldn't be so bad killing one of them. Same thing for Power 105.1 and Hot 97.
One of those attracts predominantly Black listeners, and the other has a mix of Black, non-Hispanic white and Latino listeners. While a non-listener would find them "the same" they appeal to rather distinct audience groups.
Oldies are what I call classic hits, 96.7 has that, in this scenario, 96.7 broadcasts from the Empire State Building.
But in the radio business, "oldies" and "classic hits" are two barely overlapping formats, one with 60's and early 70's core, the other now with an 80's core.
Country does horribly in New York. Even Alt 92.3 could do better than a country station. I'm also an idiot, so can you explain the meaning of ā€œstandardsā€?
Standards is the industry name for the Sinatra-Benny Goodman-Nat King Cole music styles, with big bands, crooners and the like... even Lawrence Welk!
 
They do not exist on actual real FM radio as in most radios do not get the signal.
WFUV has a 60 dbu signal that covers 15 million people. Apparently you don't get the signal where you are, but more than 75% of the NYC market does.
 
...And, MVB13 refuses to acknowledge the stations that already exist.

AAA - WFUV and 107.1 The Peak
Alt - 92.3 HD2
Country - 94.7 HD2
Moldy oldies - 101.1 HD3

They do not exist on actual real FM radio as in most radios do not get the signal.

WFUV has a 60 dbu signal that covers 15 million people. Apparently you don't get the signal where you are, but more than 75% of the NYC market does.

I believe he was referring to the HD subchannels that made up the rest of those suggestions.
 
Standards is the industry name for the Sinatra-Benny Goodman-Nat King Cole music styles, with big bands, crooners and the like... even Lawrence Welk!
As well as "Great American Songbook" (Tin Pan Alley) ditties from the '30s and '40s remade years later by singers like Harry Connick Jr., Linda Ronstadt and Rod Stewart.
 
Since Audacy can't have their FM radio dial without WINS, and Q104.3 is literally non-existent at this point (you could say it's the walking dead), why not have 104.3 WADO? WADO is basically 1010 WINS in Spanish.
What planet are you living on? Q is consistently a top performer in men 18-24 and 25-54. That doesn't sound "walking dead" to me.
 
NEW 102 was originally meant to be Top 40, but they saw the failure that happened with Now and went for Hot AC. PLJ and KTU are the same after all, it wouldn't be so bad killing one of them.
Assuming you are not referring to your alternate universe, "New" 102.7 was always a Hot AC before it had rebranded, and well before that, when Fresh was introduced, it was an AC trying to compete with Lite, but never got the footing. It has faired much better as a Hot AC, and even more so after the demise of WPLJ.
 
One of those attracts predominantly Black listeners, and the other has a mix of Black, non-Hispanic white and Latino listeners. While a non-listener would find them "the same" they appeal to rather distinct audience groups.
David explained in the quote above the different audiences for the two local hip hop stations, WWPR 105.1 and WQHT 97.1.
As they seem to be very similar, I wonder why they attract different demos.
I'm also curious whether the two similar sounding Spanish language stations WSKQ 97.9 and WXNY 96.3 have different mixes of listeners.
 
Is WFUV a true AAA station as they play several genres of music? They can play alternative rock, oldies, R&B, folk, and even some rap. Essentially, it is a non-formatted station. No radio station can please all of its listeners all of the time. I have supported WFUV for at 30 years as I enjoy the variety.
 
It was the former name of WPAT before SBS purchased it.
Maybe, but nothing about "beautiful music" suggests "today".
I've listened to K-LOVE a couple of times and it's ALL Christian rock.
Fans of Christian rock would disagree with you.
NEW 102 was originally meant to be Top 40, but they saw the failure that happened with Now and went for Hot AC. PLJ and KTU are the same after all, it wouldn't be so bad killing one of them. Same thing for Power 105.1 and Hot 97. Oldies are what I call classic hits, 96.7 has that, in this scenario, 96.7 broadcasts from the Empire State Building. Country does horribly in New York. Even Alt 92.3 could do better than a country station. I'm also an idiot, so can you explain the meaning of ā€œstandardsā€?
It's a dream dial.

I'm sure your concerns and questions were explained above. Oldies and classic hits are two very different formats.

While it is called AC, WKQC Charlotte is classic hits. Bad example. I can't show you a "last songs played". It's a Christmas station this year.

Now that I think of it, 63 Big WAYS suburban Charlotte is too. But it is "real oldies". In fact, almost standards.
 
Assuming you are not referring to your alternate universe, "New" 102.7 was always a Hot AC before it had rebranded, and well before that, when Fresh was introduced, it was an AC trying to compete with Lite, but never got the footing. It has faired much better as a Hot AC, and even more so after the demise of WPLJ.
The idea of New as Hot AC had come after just 2 days after they decided it was time to look for a refresh of Fresh. New was supposed to be Top 40, I'm not gonna deny the fact that Fresh was always meant to be Lite's ā€œnemesisā€.
 
One of those attracts predominantly Black listeners, and the other has a mix of Black, non-Hispanic white and Latino listeners. While a non-listener would find them "the same" they appeal to rather distinct audience groups.
It is true that WQHT has a more mixed up audience than WWPR.
David explained in the quote above the different audiences for the two local hip hop stations, WWPR 105.1 and WQHT 97.1.
As they seem to be very similar, I wonder why they attract different demos.
Maybe, it's because Hot 97 is diverse when it comes to jockies.
I'm also curious whether the two similar sounding Spanish language stations WSKQ 97.9 and WXNY 96.3 have different mixes of listeners.
WXNY has a more Puerto Rican audience, but ever since they moved Coco from WADO to X, it's has taken a bit of Mega's Dominican audience.
 
It was the former name of WPAT before SBS purchased it.
Actuallly, it was Easy 93.

I've listened to K-LOVE a couple of times and it's ALL Christian rock.
To be more exact, K-Love is a Christian soft rock station, sort of the Christian equivalent of 106.7 Lite FM.

Since Audacy can't have their FM radio dial without WINS, and Q104.3 is literally non-existent at this point (you could say it's the walking dead), why not have 104.3 WADO? WADO is basically 1010 WINS in Spanish.
Currently, WADO is a primarily a sports station carries programming from TUDN Radio.

Since Q104.3 is number five in the latest Nielsen Audio Ratings (with 5.2), I disagree with you in regard to the classic rock station.
 
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