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Q104.3 is a great classic rock station that plays a few popier songs like Stealers Wheel to compete with CBS Fm and be more mass appeal for New York.
They consistently get good adult male numbers and hold back CBS Fm so that WLTW more often than not beats them. CBS would be a monster without Q104.3 which would slightly adjust to a little more rock lean if they were classic hits and the default classic rock station as you can see in other markets.
It's just insanity to claim the station is doing bad just because you don't like it.
New York is not a rock market but clearly Q has it's place beyond being a piece in iHeartRadio's New York cluster.
As for New 102.7, it's doing great and many times doing better than Z100 and Ktu outside of mornings. It also forces ktu into sounding the way that they do which is not the beat of New York lol.
They consistently get good adult male numbers and hold back CBS Fm so that WLTW more often than not beats them. CBS would be a monster without Q104.3 which would slightly adjust to a little more rock lean if they were classic hits and the default classic rock station as you can see in other markets.
It's just insanity to claim the station is doing bad just because you don't like it.
New York is not a rock market but clearly Q has it's place beyond being a piece in iHeartRadio's New York cluster.
As for New 102.7, it's doing great and many times doing better than Z100 and Ktu outside of mornings. It also forces ktu into sounding the way that they do which is not the beat of New York lol.
I know you are joking but even if you remove the two listings for Alternative, your list is still better than that steaming dial of garbage that is NYC radio.
The NYC radio dial achieves the honor of being the most bland radio dial in the US. I am surprised they are able to find people to take the PPM given there is little to no reason to tune to the band.
Someone mentioned again in this thread that NYC is an all rhythmic town and that peoples beef here are narrowly having to do with the lack of Alternative. It is beyond that since the rhythmic choices are just as lame as the poor attempt at Alternative. I do not know what it is about NYC stations trying to top each other to see who can be the most blandest.
All of us are looking at you, Z100.
The ratings and billing numbers for Q indicate otherwise.
So what if Q104.3 doesn't make the news. As long as it continues to play classic rock music, I'm satisfied. 🎧🎸
Your clarification doesn't make the previous statement any less absurd. Why does there need to be "new info" about the station? If anything, that proves its success as indicated by the stability of its lineup, presentation, and its continued relevancy. It performs well in ratings in key demographics (thus a large listener base) and in revenue for the owner.
Sometimes no news is good news.
This is such a tired trope. NYC is one of the most diverse cities with as many different musical tastes as the millions of people who inhabit it. As for radio, two of the top 5 ranked stations are Classic Rock Q104.3 and mostly-rock Classic Hits WCBS-FM.
When it comes to "rhythmic" formats there are too many stations playing the same tired old songs and not all of them are doing great in the ratings.
I don't see Z as being bland.
WBLS is #1 if I am not mistaken.
WBLS is #1 and has been for (2?) months.
WSKQ? #1 in 25-54. If that is not rhythmic, I don't know what is.
In 25-54, besides WSKQ in the top 10 stations we have WHTZ, WBLS, WKTU, WXNY, WQHT and WWPR. And Hot AC WNEW has plenty of rhythmic songs.
That leaves WLTW and CBS-FM as not being particularly rhythmic.
In 25-54 sales demos, it is WSKQ, WHTZ and then WBLS. In 18-34, same stations, but WBLS leads.
And what's your point? That there are Black, Spanish and pop stations playing rhythmic music in NYC? Of course there are, just like in every other market. But the premise that New York is a place where people monolithically want to hear only rhythmic music is simply not true. Talk about stereotyping one of the world's most diverse cities, ignoring its reputation for producing world-class classical and jazz, and its history as an incubator for punk, indie and even folk music.
Again, two of the top 5 ranked NYC stations are primarily playing rock formats which blows the only-rhythmic premise out of the water. Add the fact that top-rated WLTW is, by your own admission, not particularly rhythmic -- that makes 3.
Maybe the real story is that New York radio executives have narrow-minded, preconceived notions that there's only one kind of music that they can play and that's why we end up with a station like WXBK chasing the same audience as everyone else, only to discover the market is saturated and won't support any more of the same old burned-out rhythmic dreck.
Nobody said "monotlithically" but the fact is that classical and jazz are such small fragments of the music preference spectrum that they can not support a commercial radio station. And punk, indie and folks can't even do any more than provide the fodder for occasional shows on marginal stations.
I see WAXQ and WNYL as 14th and 17th in 25-54. Those are the first pure rock stations in the most recent book. CBS-FM, which is sort of pop rock with CHR roots is 9th. WLTW is hardly rock, so it's in a different "pop" category.
WXBK is a limited signal facility that has tried a number or things. It's coverage indicated it has to find most of its audience among Blacks and Hispanics to achieve any success. It's never going to be a top station, but it can ad demographic breadth to the cluster and be a contributor to revenue that way.
For decades now you have to view radio from a company's cluster of stations in that specific market.
Maybe another format would have better ratings on an individual signal, but if it's going to be at the expense of your heritage money printer then you obviously would chooose a format that would have less overlap and yes lower ratings too.
The block is helping WNEW right now by making KTU have to consider it in regards to those 90s rhythmic throw backs. That takes them away a little bit from Hot AC which WNEW is doing very well and focused for the New York audience that Hot AC, or adult CHR is focused upon.
What we have now is an iheart vs. Audacity battle for the mainstream mass audience of New Yorkers 18 to 64 ( mainly 54). That doesn't mean that the other players don't exist in the realm, but their stations are more focused upon certain ethnic groups which is perfect for a diverse city like New York. A certain white dude may enjoy the music on BLS the most, and listen to WPAT and WSKQ for the incredible sound of their processing, but radio geeks are far away from the norm.
Maybe another format would have better ratings on an individual signal, but if it's going to be at the expense of your heritage money printer then you obviously would chooose a format that would have less overlap and yes lower ratings too.
The block is helping WNEW right now by making KTU have to consider it in regards to those 90s rhythmic throw backs. That takes them away a little bit from Hot AC which WNEW is doing very well and focused for the New York audience that Hot AC, or adult CHR is focused upon.
What we have now is an iheart vs. Audacity battle for the mainstream mass audience of New Yorkers 18 to 64 ( mainly 54). That doesn't mean that the other players don't exist in the realm, but their stations are more focused upon certain ethnic groups which is perfect for a diverse city like New York. A certain white dude may enjoy the music on BLS the most, and listen to WPAT and WSKQ for the incredible sound of their processing, but radio geeks are far away from the norm.
From reading some of the industry peoples posts, I think the desire is that all stations should be Rhythmic and/or Spanish. All stations should have Reverb, with news segments with the old WINS Teletype sound in the background and no local talent. A community of support should not be built around the station, rather stay out of hosting or involvement in local concerts. Everything should be a national format, playing the same 50 songs from 30 years ago. 
K-Rock only was successful because of one on-air host, and he left for satellite in 2005. The “return” was a dud and WNYL was pilloried on here by this same board in what was, for all intents and purposes, the modern rock format’s last shot on the commercial radio dial in NYC.
To me, it feels less the notion of a “dream” dial and more the unfulfilled dream of a bygone era that will never return. Stern isn’t coming back. Neither will K-Rock.
To me, it feels less the notion of a “dream” dial and more the unfulfilled dream of a bygone era that will never return. Stern isn’t coming back. Neither will K-Rock.
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10 years ago, how much longer do you think New Rock 101.9 (WRXP version 2) would've lasted if Merlin Media wasn't forced to sell the station?
One or two months, if that. That format was a placeholder programmed entirely out of Chicago and nothing more. It had zero future.
There was no scenario—NONE—in which Merlin’s creditors didn’t force them to sell 101.9. FM News was a massive financial failure.
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