OCT PPM

[Nu_Roo_2]

I see now that CC has introduced Gen-X into another PPM market -- Seattle -- yet it's another rimshot! Of course, that one's a C3. With a far superior signal to 106.7's, 93.3 could and should be the national poster child for how well CC's Gen-X format can perform in PPM.

Since 93.3 is not changing any time soon, why not swap 106.7 and 105.7? The brew would do as well as it does now on 105.7, but I think Gen-X would benefit from the better 105.7 signal. Thoughts?

Interesting thought, but what's the thinking behind your assumption that the Brew wouldn't lose any share on the inferior signal (106.7)?

 

[the marv]

Well let's see. In 1996 Jacor bought 105.7 and 107.1 to add the other 4 stations they owned at the time WTVN,WLVQ,WHOK, and WLLD. Once they took over they took the country music from WLLD 98.9 and put it on 105.7 and gave it the call letters whqk. When they did that it turned out to be a major disaster for that station since they were struggling listenerwise due to WCOL's stronger intown signal. 98.9 at the time became modern rock channel Z. When Nationwide communications sold WNCI,WCOL, and WFYI Jacor sold off WLVQ,WHOK,WAZU, and the 98.9 frequency to get a hold of those stations. Channel Z ended up moving from 98.9 to 105.7 which had it's transmitter in Marysville. The same thing happened to it. The station had better ratings than CD101 when it was on 98.9 then took a big fall with the move to 105.7. Once they finaly moved 105.7 to the Nationwide building they gave up on the format. So you ask if the brew will still hold on to listeners if they swap frequencies with genX radio 106.7? They might not lose a bunch but they will still take a hit since 106.7 is on the same tower as 103.9 which struggles to get listeners.

 

[talkers]

WTDA is pumping out 5300 watts at 348 feet

WCGX is pumping out 7300 watts at 591 feet.

So who has the better coverage???

 

[the marv]

According to radio locator WCGX has more coverage due to power and height. Thought both stations have issues. WTDA is a directional signal in order to keep from interfearing with Fairborn's WXEG that's on the same frequency. Depending on atmosperic conditions you can sometimes catch WXEG cutting into WTDA on the east side of I 270. Wcgx suffers from a first adjacent from Chillocothe at 106.5 and a translator in Logan on the same frequency they are. WBWR the frequency people are talking about moving genx to is 2400 watts at 549 feet.But at least it is downtown so it won't suffer from the twin rivers tower like like 103.9 and 106.7. The Brew signal also has issues southwest with first adjacent 105.5 WCHO Washington Courthouse and southeast with 105.9 WWJM New Lexington. If Gen X were to be move to 105.7 it would still do better but I think it would even better on the frequency you really want it on 93.3

 

[Nu_Roo_2]

According to radio locator WCGX has more coverage due to power and height. Thought both stations have issues. WTDA is a directional signal in order to keep from interfearing with Fairborn's WXEG that's on the same frequency. Depending on atmosperic conditions you can sometimes catch WXEG cutting into WTDA on the east side of I 270. Wcgx suffers from a first adjacent from Chillocothe at 106.5 and a translator in Logan on the same frequency they are. WBWR the frequency people are talking about moving genx to is 2400 watts at 549 feet.But at least it is downtown so it won't suffer from the twin rivers tower like like 103.9 and 106.7. The Brew signal also has issues southwest with first adjacent 105.5 WCHO Washington Courthouse and southeast with 105.9 WWJM New Lexington. If Gen X were to be move to 105.7 it would still do better but I think it would even better on the frequency you really want it on 93.3

All makes sense. Fyi, I've never noticed the Brew's issues, though I usually don't travel SW or SE...more often directly S -- not that I do that a whole lot either. 93.3 is certainly the clear winner signal-wise. (Feels strange calling 93.3 a "winner" in anything...)

 

[Allfirdup]

WTDA is a directional signal in order to keep from interfering with Fairborn's WXEG that's on the same frequency. Depending on atmosperic conditions you can sometimes catch WXEG cutting into WTDA on the east side of I 270.
WTDA actually has to protect WPAY which is currently a class C signal in Portsmouth, they are in the process of Downgrading that to a class C0 in New Boston Ohio, even though the tower is not miving and the ERP will remain 100,000watt That change will finally allow WTDA to upgrade the signal protection to the south that has always been a problem. the new proposed signal is directional to the east from the west side of Columbus. The FCC should allow this.

WCGX suffers from a first adjacent from Chillocothe at 106.5 and a translator in Logan on the same frequency they are.
The Chillicothe signal issue doesn't even show up till you are south of Circleville. and the WWTL-LP moved from 106.7 to 106.3 in Logan Ohio long ago.


WBWR the frequency people are talking about moving genx to is 2400 watts at 549 feet.But at least it is downtown so it won't suffer from the twin rivers tower like like 103.9 and 106.7. The Brew signal also has issues southwest with first adjacent 105.5 WCHO Washington Courthouse and southeast with 105.9 WWJM New Lexington.
WWJM is not even a factor in the Newark / Buckeye lake area as they transmit from just north of New Lexington and just 1700watts, that even barely gets them in to Zanesville which is the biggest market they target, http://maps.google.com/?q=http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/contourplot.kml?gmap=2%26appid=276003%26call=WWJM%26freq=105.9%26contour=60%26city=NEW_LEXINGTON%26state=OH
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[Nu_Roo_2]

Thanks for the clarifications, Allfirdup.

As an aside, I'm sorry to see the FCC move to Google Maps, solely because the Google Maps don't show county borders. Even aside from radio coverage, I've always found the lack of county borders to be an odd and unfortunate omission from Google Maps.