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OH BOY...I've sat back and watched with my hands behind my head...

Tell me what you can offer?

I have read, watched, waited, listened to the beckering going on back and forth. The laughing, the doubtfulness, the interest, the realisam, the pleasure, the expectations..all in the name of music and fans..dj's and promoters..song and dance..money and love.

But tell me truly, what can you offer each other as "true" lovers of music? Take each catagory, mix it together, learning and passing it forward to the next. Some of you guys have been "harsh", while others "do" have music as your love->maybe not first love, but def second!

So, I'm asking, I'm wondering? Can some of you answer that?
 
I wont be sitting back with my hands behind my head, but I may soon be joining you with the "watching & limited to no talking" soon, since I'm planning to do "more music, less talk" in 2011.

Yes, I still come around from time to time so speak, make dumb jokes, and deliver some crazy banter along with some truth to it, but... have realized over time that it's rather pointless - for a variety of reasons, which I wont get into. A lot of the arguments that tend to take place on these boards in general are dumb because they are more based on wishful thinking than fact, and.. for example: If someone hates country, then that alone is reason enough for them to say, argue, and truly believe "country would never work". A lot of people cannot separate personal desires from actual facts, which does tend to create many problems throughout many areas of life.

And all this hating in the music industry is just pathetic. I'm not sure if you've seen some of the things happening within the freestyle dance community on facebook, and... all types of unnecessary drama and chain reaction drama that stems from that drama. ...I'll just leave it at that.

Anyway, time for me to just do what I do and focus primarily on that. More music, less talk.. "Silence is Golden" will be my motto in 2011.
 
Emme said:
Tell me what you can offer?

I have read, watched, waited, listened to the beckering going on back and forth. The laughing, the doubtfulness, the interest, the realisam, the pleasure, the expectations..all in the name of music and fans..dj's and promoters..song and dance..money and love.

But tell me truly, what can you offer each other as "true" lovers of music? Take each catagory, mix it together, learning and passing it forward to the next. Some of you guys have been "harsh", while others "do" have music as your love->maybe not first love, but def second!

So, I'm asking, I'm wondering? Can some of you answer that?

Since you are new here, the bigger question is what can you offer us?

Granted, we are very passionate about our music, in part because we do love the sound and at the same time frustrated because we don't hear much of it on terrestrial radio. Sure, we have Internet streams and that's where most of us go. But we love our music SO much, we just find it a shame that there are only 4 stations in the country dedicated to dance, in our brand.

In that sense, we are "family" here. And just like any other "family" sure, we may bicker, argue, disagree, agree to disagree, what have you. But deep down, all of us just love the music so much, all we want is for more exposure for it so that others can feel that love that we have.

So, are you with us in that sense? ;D
 
Let me break these down.....

KDM 7000 said:
Yes, I still come around from time to time so speak, make dumb jokes, and deliver some crazy banter along with some truth to it, but... have realized over time that it's rather pointless - for a variety of reasons, which I wont get into. A lot of the arguments that tend to take place on these boards in general are dumb because they are more based on wishful thinking than fact, and.. for example: If someone hates country, then that alone is reason enough for them to say, argue, and truly believe "country would never work". A lot of people cannot separate personal desires from actual facts, which does tend to create many problems throughout many areas of life.

Granted, there are things posted in here that are "hope". In that sense, there is nothing wrong with "hope" because sometimes that wishful thinking could turn into something creative if you take that thinking further and further.

I think the anger you may feel KDM, and I'm not you so I can be off on this, is the fact that at times you see a lot of "ignorance" in here. I've seen it on other boards too outside of radio-info. Just the other day while talking about the decline of rock music on another board (mainly because the trends are favoring pop and R&B/rhythmic), another poster (who IS in here) claimed I felt that way about rock because I hate it...but not as much as that person HATED dance music. And it wasn't about hate of ANY music. It was calling the facts. And I was wrong, and someone corrected me, then I can accept that and admit I was wrong. And in here, you do have that "war" with purists versus commercial at times. I'm sympathetic to both sides. Yet it doesn't help when I am trying to push for more of our music to get exposed further and you have the naysayers that are worried. And while I understand why, it still hinders us.

KDM 7000 said:
And all this hating in the music industry is just pathetic. I'm not sure if you've seen some of the things happening within the freestyle dance community on facebook, and... all types of unnecessary drama and chain reaction drama that stems from that drama. ...I'll just leave it at that.

Anyway, time for me to just do what I do and focus primarily on that. More music, less talk.. "Silence is Golden" will be my motto in 2011.

KDM, if you think the freestyle hate is thick on FB, live here in NYC where we have these arguments in clubs and these supposed "meetings" that really get nowhere. I've stopped going because I'm trying to look at things in terms of now and what could be the future, but you have many folks that are still stuck with the past era. I knew people flipped out when I said whatever new music comes out can't be called "freestyle". People do have a "comfort zone" and I can respect that to a certain point, only because at the same time in order for things to progress you have to STEP OUT of that "zone" and take whatever risks possible to try to do something new. So what's the worse that can happen, you fail?

If anything, failure can be GOOD because that's how you learn from your mistakes and correct it for the next attempt. Problem is, people can't shake off that "failure" and give up. And if people want to "hate", fine.....you do what you do and keep on smiling! ;D Because if there is anything to learn, once those "haters" and "bashers" see that you are accomplishing something and achieving.....they will shut up, and while they may never admit it in your face, they will respect you, even if they still want to "hate".
 
Your right Tony, i am new to this board. And i like what i read, very interesting topics and opinions going on back and forth. But at the same time i love my music as well and thats what kills me too. That we have to fight to keep what little we have..that some of us bash what little we have and want to take away what little we have.

When can we make the most of the situation?? When we all group together and get our minds working as one, lol that may never happen because great minds do not always think alike!!

But i grew up with music surrounding me and that makes me a lover...i dont carry a hammer, its not my job, but my job is to help the music continue to carry on...never let it fall..never let it fail..never let it die. In that sense, yes i am part of the family.
 
KDM.....Actually i never said i was going to sit around and just watch, i said "i've sat back and watched"...-->You cant be quiet, its good to give us more music and less talk but you have to educate the public as well..nothing is ever "pointless"..! We do listen just dont give up, you sound like you have.

Now as for "freestyle"..im on facebook and ive seen the "drama". My opinion.. there is little freestyle music..its hasnt been recycle. I hear Coro, Sammy Zone, Judy Torres going out and trying to breakout everyone else is staying the same and its sad. Freestyle is making money but the same artist are singing the same songs and its played out, i guess im also tired of it as well.

New York started it all, I guess its gonna end here as well unless we get something going but its not my passion and not my place to say..my opinion.
 
Emme said:
Your right Tony, i am new to this board. And i like what i read, very interesting topics and opinions going on back and forth. But at the same time i love my music as well and thats what kills me too. That we have to fight to keep what little we have..that some of us bash what little we have and want to take away what little we have.

When can we make the most of the situation?? When we all group together and get our minds working as one, lol that may never happen because great minds do not always think alike!!

But i grew up with music surrounding me and that makes me a lover...i dont carry a hammer, its not my job, but my job is to help the music continue to carry on...never let it fall..never let it fail..never let it die. In that sense, yes i am part of the family.

Welcome aboard Emme! :)

The concept of grouping together is something I've always believed in. That's why I created the New York Dance Music Coalition (when it was Metro New York Dance Radio Coalition back in 1994). The premise was simple, no one person can change anything but as a group we can be united to do things together. Along with unity comes strength and that's what we try to do. It's certainly not an easy job because we're trying to sell a "concept" to those that don't understand or have seen past failures (which is not the fault of the music) of radio stations; that there is a viable audience that loves and craves dance music. When we bicker on each other without coming up with some sort of compromise, then we become self-defeatist.

Yes, we're all not going to agree on everything. But at the very least, we should be able to compromise to a point that we can all be on the same wavelength. And with all these years of dance music being in the "backburner" and things FINALLY moving forward for us, though not as quick as we may like, lol, this is the time more than ever that we all be supportive, (of commercial AND underground) If things take off as they are it only means that down the road more corporations will think of dance music as a viable format for their positive cashflow instead of something that is considered very "niche" and risky.

I suppose I've been holding the "hammer" for 16 years, lol and we certainly want more people to join along with us! :) (living in New York is NOT a requirement, loving dance music is :) ).

But here is where I disagree with your opinion.....if you DO have a passion, you do have a say! :) Speak out if you feel something doesn't sound right. We may not all agree but I do have a saying...

"If you do nothing, then nothing gets done".

So by all means, speak out :)
 
I wouldn't say I necessarily feel any "anger", because nothing on these boards actually gives me reason to be angry, but rather... I feel as if I'm wasting time talking sometimes. I use the facebook freestyle artist feud and these boards as an example of certain types of unnecessary drama, but when I say I'm focusing on more music & less talk, I mean that in general- both in and outside of these boards, and especially in regard to some of the type of controversial, uncomfortable topics I tend to bring up and discuss.

My main desire and purpose is to deliver music to the fans, and especially to deliver a certain type of sound to the people who love it, the same way I wish I had someone to deliver it to me when I was growing up. Not to spread my opinions and point of views to offend people who disagree, create unnecessary trouble or tension, and get people upset.. (which tends to happen if you "say the wrong things" or things people don't wish to hear).

For many reasons, these days, I think it's a bright idea to use your right to remain silent, unless you have something genuinely important you wish to contribute. I don't see discussing or suggesting dance music as "evil" as discussing politics, stereotypes, religion, and other things of that nature. But apparently, to some people, it is just as disturbing, and it, too, can create unnecessary drama (on these boards) the same way pointing out certain facts about... other things in life... can cause an unnecessary uproar. These days, in an age where everyone is hypersensitive and quick to take things personally and (seriously) overreact BEFORE thinking (especially on the net), it's best to tone down the talk and messing around a bit and keep focused on what my main goal and desire is here. "The more you stay focused and the less you talk, the less chance you have of saying or doing something stupid that could create an unnecessary problem" - and this goes for pretty much ALL areas of life, including these radio boards.

Lastly, I'm not sure if people can easily tell whether or not I'm joking & messing around on these boards, but I will say that I've received some direct & indirect complaints for "talking / messing around too much", or making people feel uncomfortable at times with the type of serious topics I tend to discuss and views I have towards them on various sites. Making people feel uncomfortable, creating unnecessary arguments, losing (potential) fans/friends, creating situations in which problems may arise...etc. are obviously not within my goal / desire path. It's ok to have a debate, but if it's a senseless battle that's going no where and will lead to nothing but more unnecessary talking and fighting, then it's best to remain silent. Anything you don't say cannot sensibly be held against you.

Anyway, this does not mean I'm leaving, or "ditching" these boards, but simply that I wont be focusing my attention on posting or responding to anything unless it's seriously & necessarily important to me. Saying a certain station or format style will fail because you hate or have a bias against it will no longer be enough to provoke me to respond. 2011 = More promotion, networking, & music. Less unnecessary banter & chatter.
 
First to Kdm7000..
Ive havnt heard the problems you are discussing so i cant say a thing..but taking a backseat unless otherwise necessary? may be your means of staying "in". But i wish you the best for 2011. Stand tall and give us everything you got!

To Tony..
a) What i meant as "hammer" was i dont smash other people ways of thinking, everything is logical.
b) Hold back on disagreeing for just a moment!!! I do have a "passion and my opinion does count", BUT what i dont have a passion for is freestyle!!

Finally to everyone, this is what i see...
Radio-info is the courtroom.
The Board is the lawyers.
The Fans are both judge and jury.
Music is the evidence.
Present your case, let us go back and debate. Believe me there will always be a hung jury..no winners..no losers..everyone happy as it should be..reserve your opinions for the next great debate!!
 
Emme said:
To Tony..
a) What i meant as "hammer" was i dont smash other people ways of thinking, everything is logical.
b) Hold back on disagreeing for just a moment!!! I do have a "passion and my opinion does count", BUT what i dont have a passion for is freestyle!!

a) Okay, that's fine.
b) And once again, that's fine. There are elements of dance music that people highly favor and some that aren't their "cup 'o joe". Nothing wrong with that. What matters is that the music continues on what appears to be a positive journey. :)
 
One more thing Tony....

I've heard of you, the Coalition, Party Radio USA, all the hard work you put in. I also know not everyone agree's with everything you say and neither do i at times........
.........BUT, at the same time you give fans of dance something they thrive and thats the love, life and survival of music. Thats all they want and ask for and i agree with that.

NICE JOB!!
 
Hey Morpheux...nothing to offer? Def got my attention, stay a while.
 
Emme said:
One more thing Tony....

I've heard of you, the Coalition, Party Radio USA, all the hard work you put in. I also know not everyone agree's with everything you say and neither do i at times........
.........BUT, at the same time you give fans of dance something they thrive and thats the love, life and survival of music. Thats all they want and ask for and i agree with that.

NICE JOB!!

Thank you! ;D

In the grand scheme of things, we matter! It's not about "anti this" or "anti that" rather than the fact you have dance music fans that love this music so much that all we are asking is for a "piece of the pie". It's just the hard task of convincing "corporate", who hides behind consultant statistics, etc. to give this format (in our brand, not as a 'KTU on My106.1 in Philly) the shot it deserves.

I'll be the first to admit that sometimes I'll throw in some "left field" thinking in there just so that people can think. It may not be agreeable to all and that's fine. And to that I say "bring it". It's for debate and the bottom line is that discussions are healthy. It's not to bash or diminish anything but to really get people involved and if they share that same passion for dance music as we do, then it's all about growth and positivity. :)
 
Corporations control the money, control the situation and the masses are at their beck and call. We can only wonder what their focus groups are really talking about and if they really give a crap about the music thats played on air.
Talk is cheap and promises are made everyday and are broken and when you have the exec's say one month, "hey, the format of this station is "now this" because our fans are asking for it", then months later they say, "we have decided to change our station format, take away the station, remame it entirely because our fans dont like it and its changed to "that", it makes you think what the hell is going on behind those walls??


Topics are one grand Think Tank. Makes you wonder what DJs, Artist, Promotors, Managers, Clubs, Stations, Fans are thinking about this "somethings music mess" we have entered, struggled for and how we can fix it....because its fixable as long as we have ears and a voice.
 
Emme said:
Corporations control the money, control the situation and the masses are at their beck and call. We can only wonder what their focus groups are really talking about and if they really give a crap about the music thats played on air.
Talk is cheap and promises are made everyday and are broken and when you have the exec's say one month, "hey, the format of this station is "now this" because our fans are asking for it", then months later they say, "we have decided to change our station format, take away the station, remame it entirely because our fans dont like it and its changed to "that", it makes you think what the hell is going on behind those walls??


Topics are one grand Think Tank. Makes you wonder what DJs, Artist, Promotors, Managers, Clubs, Stations, Fans are thinking about this "somethings music mess" we have entered, struggled for and how we can fix it....because its fixable as long as we have ears and a voice.

I honestly think it's about people getting out of their comfort zones and do more. Right now is the BEST TIME since dance music is on the rise! I'm not saying rush into things....let some things fall into place....but it really is time for everyone to step up, be supportive and push more for the positivity :)
 
PLUR-


wow, I just had a flashback to 10 years ago!

;D
 
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