Ok, here's an Idea For Either WBCN or Mike-FM

[TowerBuzz]

Guess what? here's the problem with that argument: Roxbury? Dorchester? Mattapan? probably wont get one diary between them and even if they did they are not seen by most station operators as affluent communities. So if you run a radio station you're not going to sweat not being thought of as great by portions of the market that wont get a diary and even if they do, are not the exact affluent sell that you want. You' re not going to sell many BMW's or Lexus's if your core is in Roxbury etc which are some of the big money advertisers that stations would give their antenna to have on their air. Same can be said of Waaf's audience, different shade but they're no more affluent. Listen to the commercials that you hear on that station,. Beer, Motorcycles, Strip club, new metal band's cd, Junior college, Army, back into music. THey know who is listening to that station!>

;D

I also maintain that to YOU a GUY whose handle is "Rapking" Jamn is "average" but again you're not the audience dog. You're not a woman between 18-34, if you were you may not feel that way because they're not playing the new banger by underground mix tape artist of the moment, X. Know what I mean?. Different strokes for different folks my man.

 

[rapking]

Guess what? here's the problem with that argument: Roxbury? Dorchester? Mattapan? probably wont get one diary between them and even if they did they are not seen by most station operators as affluent communities. So if you run a radio station you're not going to sweat not being thought of as great by portions of the market that wont get a diary and even if they do, are not the exact affluent sell that you want. You' re not going to sell many BMW's or Lexus's if your core is in Roxbury etc which are some of the big money advertisers that stations would give their antenna to have on their air. Same can be said of Waaf's audience, different shade but they're no more affluent. Listen to the commercials that you hear on that station,. Beer, Motorcycles, Strip club, new metal band's cd, Junior college, Army, back into music. THey know who is listening to that station!>

;D

I also maintain that to YOU a GUY whose handle is "Rapking" Jamn is "average" but again you're not the audience dog. You're not a woman between 18-34, if you were you may not feel that way because they're not playing the new banger by underground mix tape artist of the moment, X. Know what I mean?. Different strokes for different folks my man.

I was talking about 97.7 signal is strong in those area . Jamn is slow on picking up new music and play the same old tired songs, over and over again( Weekend mix shows and the Back spin and The Baka Boys are Good ) . 88.9( at Night ) does a good job for the Mix Tape Crowd .

 

[rapking]

97.7 signal is garbage on the south shore . Drive down Rt 24 south and pass Brocton , 97.7 Signal go into the trash( The Blue Hills Move made this signal no longer a South Shore signal) . Non Radio People in Taunton area, Cant understand Why have one station, on two weak signals .

 

[TowerBuzz]

97.7 was a mess from the start. Sounded sloppy, sounded like everyone on that station was trying sooooooo hard to get a gig at Hot 97 NY, especially Chuubby Chubb.. The only jock I could stomach was LBD, Chubby Chubb? garbage (althought he spun well) Reggie Beas? sounded like college radio, Chuck Dogg? boring as hell. Jamn's jocks are CHR jocks as Jamn is a CHR station, so they have more life to them. Yeah they're slower on certain new songs than say WBOT was but they're also going after a different audience. That is all im saying to you.

 

[rapking]

97.7 was a mess from the start. Sounded sloppy, sounded like everyone on that station was trying sooooooo hard to get a gig at Hot 97 NY, especially Chuubby Chubb.. The only jock I could stomach was LBD, Chubby Chubb? garbage (althought he spun well) Reggie Beas? sounded like college radio, Chuck Dogg? boring as hell. Jamn's jocks are CHR jocks as Jamn is a CHR station, so they have more life to them. Yeah they're slower on certain new songs than say WBOT was but they're also going after a different audience. That is all im saying to you.

Chubby Chubb got his wish ( Now Middays on Hot 97 NY ) .

 

[Retro]

You know, this is getting tiresome. Get the chip off your shoulder. Just because YOU don't like something it's garbage? You're absolutely entitled to your opinion but by that standard rap, hip-hop and reggaeton are garbage that's been left out in the sun for a few weeks. Radio is a business like any other. As to your Radio One fetish, they didn't sell anyone out. What would you do if someone waved a check that big in front of you? Same as me-you'd grab it. I'm sure you don't believe this, but there are some pretty sharp minds in CC, Entercom, Greater Media etc...if there was a business case for rap someone would be doing it. FM talk, despite your revulsion to it, will grow as a whole generation for whom AM is irrelevant comes of age.
There are lots of things I like that aren't on commercial radio...that's why there are CDs, MP3 players and satellite radio.




WBCN should stay the same as it is now..and Mike should be fired ! Boston Dont neeed any FM Talk Stations ( 96.9 Talk, Blows ) . Mike is Garbage ( I like to hear a DJ, telling me what is going on around town ) .

And maybe 5 or six years later..Somebody( Boston Radio Station Owners ) may wonder why WJMN ( Avg Station at BesT ) is The Number One Music station,5 or 6 straight years in a row, in Boston . Boston Radio station Owners are always asleep . 93.7 Blows , 101.7 My God,It Blows ! 96.9 Blows,97.7 Signal dont help WAAF , Roxbury ,Dorchester,Brocton and Mattapan, dont like it ,It Blows.107.9 avg and living off the past . City of Boston , College Radio Stations and all those Pirate Radio stations are wonderful .
[/quote]

Maybe BCN could go R&B, but whereas it did not seem to work with WILD-FM, its doubful it would work on a full powered signal.

 

[NHRadio]

And maybe 5 or six years later..Somebody( Boston Radio Station Owners ) may wonder why WJMN ( Avg Station at BesT ) is The Number One Music station,5 or 6 straight years in a row, in Boston . Boston Radio station Owners are always asleep . 93.7 Blows , 101.7 My God,It Blows ! 96.9 Blows,97.7 Signal dont help WAAF , Roxbury ,Dorchester,Brocton and Mattapan, dont like it ,It Blows.107.9 avg and living off the past . City of Boston , College Radio Stations and all those Pirate Radio stations are wonderful .

Jamn is #1 because they play to the widest possible audience. I think it sucks but you don't see me writing poorly spelled grammatical train wrecks whining about how station owners are so stupid. Where does it say anywhere that radio stations need to pass the Rapking "does it blow?" test? Station GM's aren't asleep-their job is to make profits. Boston's population of rap fans isn't big enough to justify a 75+ million dollar gamble-and right or wrong, rap's demo is not considered attractive by advertisers. The previous post on AAF's demo was right on. Music of Your Life has the same problem, as advertisers think those listeners are too old to buy anything.
Just go out and get XM or Sirius-they each have multiple rap channels and I'm sure you'll find at least one that doesn't blow.

 

[TowerBuzz]

97.7 was a mess from the start. Sounded sloppy, sounded like everyone on that station was trying sooooooo hard to get a gig at Hot 97 NY, especially Chuubby Chubb.. The only jock I could stomach was LBD, Chubby Chubb? garbage (althought he spun well) Reggie Beas? sounded like college radio, Chuck Dogg? boring as hell. Jamn's jocks are CHR jocks as Jamn is a CHR station, so they have more life to them. Yeah they're slower on certain new songs than say WBOT was but they're also going after a different audience. That is all im saying to you.

Chubby Chubb got his wish ( Now Middays on Hot 97 NY ) .

What are you talking about? no, he isn't. Fatman Scoop does mid days. Go to the website. www.hot97.com

 

[webcastboy]

Folks, it's ALL about the Benjamins. If a format is PROFITABLE, it will stay. Otherwise, it will be changed. The change might be large or small, but it will change. Today's Boston Radio Watch has an excellent summary of local stations' revenue and Power Ratios. I'll quote them below because you can't permalink to BRW posts.

The only thing missing is how WKAF's simulcast affects WAAF's overall numbers. I assume that's been too recent a change to show up in the BIA numbers.

Based on these numbers, I'd say neither WBCN nor WMKK have much chance of changing formats. The power radios are good and the overall revenue is pretty good, too. WMKK rakes in $13mil but costs (comparatively) little to operate...and even post-Stern WBCN is still hauling in $18mil/yr. Granted, the downward trend of WBCN's revenue could signal a major shakeup at some point...but for the moment I think they'll keep going with what they got.

In fact, based on these numbers, WTKK and WKLB would seem to be the most likely targets for a format swap...although not all that likely. I have to think Greater Media will give the country on WKLB at least a few books on the new 102.5 signal before passing any sort of judgment. And the money they paid to Savage would seem to indicate that GM is committed to WTKK for at least a little while longer.

(Source : BIA Financial Network)
Rank
Station/Call Letters
Format
Owner
2006 Revenue
Power Ratio

1
WEEI AM 850
Sports
Entercom
$36,500,000
1.58

2
WBZ AM 1030
News/Talk
CBS Radio
$35,100,000
1.27

3
WMJX 106.7FM
Adult Contemporary
Greater Media
$24,000,000
1.08

4
WXKS 107.9FM
CHR
Clear Channel
$23,600,000
1.02

5
WJMN 94.5FM
Urban CHR/Rhythmic
Clear Channel
$18,850,000
0.73

6
WBMX 98.5FM
Hot AC
CBS Radio
$18,300,000
1.61

7
WBCN 104.1FM
Talk/Rock
CBS Radio
$18,000,000
1.78

8
WODS 103.3FM
Oldies
CBS Radio
$17,250,000
0.87

9
WZLX 100.7FM
Classic Rock
CBS Radio
$16,800,000
1.43

10
WROR 105.7FM
Classic Hits
Greater Media
$13,700,000
1

11
WMKK 93.7FM
Adult Contemporary
Entercom
$13,500,000
1.19

12
WAAF 107.3FM
Rock
Entercom
$11,000,000
1.09

13
WKLB 102.5FM
Country
Greater Media
$10,700,000
0.66

14
WTKK 96.9FM
Talk
Greater Media
$9,000,000
0.77

14
WBOS 92.9FM
AAA
Greater Media
$9,000,000
1.2

 

[TowerBuzz]

WEbcast boy is correct in the only language that is spoken in radio is the international language of $$$$$$$. Mike probably is fine becauuse they make what they make with almost no overhead but BCN considering a few years ago they were allegedly pulling in somewhere close to two and a half times what webcastboy posted as revenue, corproate greed doesn't see that sort of money as positive when they're used to making so much more. Many corproations are also somewhat unrealisitic about how much a station can actually earn in the current Ipod, internet, youtube, etc, clmate, as opposed to what compaies think they should be making.

 

[Finn]

Revenue and Power Ratio are statistics that are useful to understand profitability which is, of course, the number that matters - How much does it cost to get this revenue?

 

[presidents04]

Capturing a high point in Boston radio: WBCN as it is *right now*

The opinion of one fan of radio....

I wanted to add my view on this. Disclaimer: I'm 26, make decent money (around 75K), homeowner, live outside the city - there's my demographic info...

WBCN right now is the best it has ever been. In the mornings, I spend the most time tuning in to the various shows across the dial during my lengthy commute, but then it's stop and go throughout the day until I get back home around 11pm. While I'm in Mass, I'm more or less constantly tuned in.

6-9 am: To me, Opie and Anthony is the only things that is consistently listenable. The other morning jocks either sound bored and frustrated (e.g. Imus, Matty) or trying-way-too-hard-to-be-witty/edgy (e.g. D&C, Lander, everyone else). Opie and Anthony stumble fairly often, like when they spend all 3 hours of Wednesday's show re-hashing American Idol lowlights like every other morning-show windbag this side of Glendive, Montana - but by and large they are legitimately funny, clever, and genuine...that's how I see it anyways.

9-3 am: Adam 12 does a solid mid-day, the themed lunches are often entertaining, and the BCN playlist in general over the past 1/2 year or so has been excellent *with the exception* of keeping the Killers, My Chemical Romance, Fall Out at the Disco et al in heavy rotation.

3-7 pm: Toucher and Rich started off shaky last spring/summer, but they have evolved into a fantastic, intelligent & hilarious tandem (along with Crash and Adolfo), and it seems as though they are truly workhorses who put a great deal of thought and effort into every hour of programming. Fred is terrific as the straight-man and Rich's bits are creative, original, and laugh-out-loud funny.

7-midnight: Hardy with Robby Roadsteamer is my favorite radio program *ever*, spanning the 20 years since I became fascinated with the medium in the 3rd grade. It has local flavor and color in spades, intelligent references left and right, off-the-cuff banter with moments of profound insight and hilarity...and I love the fact that they will stop at nothing to mercilessly trash crappy new bands on the BCN playlist, the ridiculous antics of the heritage rock artists that form the core of that playlist, and the absurdities of suburban life in America. The local flair renders it an unlikely candidate for syndication - but this is as good as it gets, folks.

Weekends: Again, great playlist with the exception of new eyeliner-metal garbage....Amy Brooks is nice to listen to, Hamilton, Juanita, all solid.

I have never been involved in radio, and I know no one at the station...but I encourage everyone to pause for a moment and realize that BCN - as it is right now - has achieved a high point in Boston radio.

 

[rapking]

97.7 was a mess from the start. Sounded sloppy, sounded like everyone on that station was trying sooooooo hard to get a gig at Hot 97 NY, especially Chuubby Chubb.. The only jock I could stomach was LBD, Chubby Chubb? garbage (althought he spun well) Reggie Beas? sounded like college radio, Chuck Dogg? boring as hell. Jamn's jocks are CHR jocks as Jamn is a CHR station, so they have more life to them. Yeah they're slower on certain new songs than say WBOT was but they're also going after a different audience. That is all im saying to you.

Chubby Chubb got his wish ( Now Middays on Hot 97 NY ) .

What are you talking about? no, he isn't. Fatman Scoop does mid days. Go to the website. www.hot97.com

I was in New York . Chubby Chubb is on Hot 97 .

 

[rapking]

97.7 was a mess from the start. Sounded sloppy, sounded like everyone on that station was trying sooooooo hard to get a gig at Hot 97 NY, especially Chuubby Chubb.. The only jock I could stomach was LBD, Chubby Chubb? garbage (althought he spun well) Reggie Beas? sounded like college radio, Chuck Dogg? boring as hell. Jamn's jocks are CHR jocks as Jamn is a CHR station, so they have more life to them. Yeah they're slower on certain new songs than say WBOT was but they're also going after a different audience. That is all im saying to you.

Chubby Chubb got his wish ( Now Middays on Hot 97 NY ) .

What are you talking about? no, he isn't. Fatman Scoop does mid days. Go to the website. www.hot97.com

I was in New York . Chubby Chubb is on Hot 97 . Here is Brooklyndon Talking about Hot 97 ( Hot 97 Topic New York room )

[/quote]

they play alot of the same songs over and over and thats kindo of annoying, but every once in a while they'll throw in a song you completely forgot about like Junior Mafia's "Playas Anthem." Their midday show is solid, Chubby Chub has the urban dad image working and Mr Cee is arguable the most knowledgeable dj in the country.

 

[Lucylu]

Re: Capturing a high point in Boston radio: WBCN as it is *right now*

WBCN right now is the best it has ever been.

That is the funniest thing I have ever heard all week. Thanks for the laugh. The best ever, that's great!

 

[raccoonradio]

>>How much does it cost to get this revenue?

Entercom spent plenty for the Sox and prob a good amount for Finneran, too. Whether or not Howie
really makes "800 large", well, who knows...

 

[TowerBuzz]

I was in New York . Chubby Chubb is on Hot 97 .
[/quote]
Fatman Scoop is their mid day show. If you heard Chubby ( are you sure it was him? as its tough to tell since he's just a Funk Flex wannabe anyway with all his yelling what not) he was just filling in for Fatman or someoen else. Chubby Chubb is not doing mid days at Hot, it's Fatman scoop man who at times can sound liek Chubby as he yells soemtimes too: remember "all the chicken heads be quiet, all the chicken heads, be quiet", sounds kinda like Chubby when he's yelling is what I mean. Even if they replaced Fatman it would not be with Chubby Chubb, they have a whole stable of others that would get the nod before someone from the outside like Chubby is all Im saying.

 

[TowerBuzz]

Re: Capturing a high point in Boston radio: WBCN as it is *right now*

WBCN right now is the best it has ever been.

That is the funniest thing I have ever heard all week. Thanks for the laugh. The best ever, that's great!

God Lucy you are so brutal sometimes! but she does have a point.

LOl

Yes I guess someone forgot to tell the overwhelming number of men who keep writing "WAAF" consistently in their diaries for the past few years that "Wbcn right now is the best it has ever been".

Let me guess; you were a big fan of "new coke" and Pepsi "Clear" too, right?!!!

 

[rapking]

I was in New York . Chubby Chubb is on Hot 97 .

Fatman Scoop is their mid day show. If you heard Chubby ( are you sure it was him? as its tough to tell since he's just a Funk Flex wannabe anyway with all his yelling what not) he was just filling in for Fatman or someoen else. Chubby Chubb is not doing mid days at Hot, it's Fatman scoop man who at times can sound liek Chubby as he yells soemtimes too: remember "all the chicken heads be quiet, all the chicken heads, be quiet", sounds kinda like Chubby when he's yelling is what I mean. Even if they replaced Fatman it would not be with Chubby Chubb, they have a whole stable of others that would get the nod before someone from the outside like Chubby is all Im saying.
[/quote]He is on Hot 97 . Chubby Chubb may not have his own show ( Like AKA JAMN Crazy Culo ) but he is on Hot 97 .

 

[TowerBuzz]

Good for Chubby congratulations to him.. The point is though you said he was doing mid days on Hot 97 which is incorrect.