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OK, I gotta share this listener's note

"Happy Holidays" is fine with me. So's "Merry Christmas", "Happy Hanukkah", or "Happy Diwali" (I know, Diwali's over). If it's a festival that's important to you, I'll respect it.

However, I have wished a "Radiant Saturnalia" to someone who started harping about the so-called "war on Christmas".

Peace, friends. Peace.
 
Dont forget Festivus...you people always forget festivus....
 
Slambang said:
Dont forget Festivus...you people always forget festivus....

No we don't!!! From my stalk me page:
Raw packet: KM5R-9>SR4V4W,K5FTW-5*,WIDE2-1,qAo,WB5QLD:'|L;l e>/]"5V}may you survive festivus!
 
Feliz Festivus... Feliz Festivus.. Feliz festivus though I'm too drunk to remember this much.

;D

R
 
The carols are spinning now. Hope that guy is all warm and fuzy. ;D

R
 
Robert Bass said:
The carols are spinning now. Hope that guy is all warm and fuzy. ;D
Like Carol Burnett, Carol Channing and Carol Brady? :D

Gawd, Robert, this is the day I pull the XM unit out of mothballs and go satellite until KEOM comes back to its senses on December 26!! I woke up to some ditty about "I'm Just a Little Elf" or something that sounded like a bad Bobby Darin impression. Tomorrow, I'll wake up instead to some other station's 22-minute commercial load instead. Sorry. :-[
 
LOL!!!

Mike, that was Harry Connick, Jr. The song is The Happy Elf.

:)

R
 
Robert Bass said:
LOL!!!

Mike, that was Harry Connick, Jr. The song is The Happy Elf.

:)

R
Good Lord, that's Connick?!? I thought it was some lounge lizard from a bad Vegas show!

Thanks for correcting me on the name...don't know why I was thinking "I'm just a little elf" (perhaps sung to the tune of "I'm Just a Gigolo"?)

"Just a Little Elf
Never by myself...

Ain't got no (big) body...

Santa goes on...without me.

Bozadee bozadee bop...ziddee bop!"
 
•The middle of winter has long been a time of celebration around the world. Centuries before the arrival of the man or myth called Jesus, early Europeans celebrated light and birth in the darkest days of winter. Many cultures rejoiced during the winter solstice, when the worst of the winter was behind them and they could look forward to longer days and extended hours of sunlight.
•In Scandinavia, the Norse celebrated Yule from December 21, the winter solstice, through January. In recognition of the return of the sun, fathers and sons would bring home large logs, which they would set on fire. The people would feast until the log burned out, which could take as many as 12 days. The Norse believed that each spark from the fire represented a new pig or calf that would be born during the coming year.
•The end of December was a perfect time for celebration in most areas of Europe. At that time of year, most cattle were slaughtered so they would not have to be fed during the winter. For many, it was the only time of year when they had a supply of fresh meat. In addition, most wine and beer made during the year was finally fermented and ready for drinking.
•In Germany, people honored the pagan god Oden during the mid-winter holiday. Germans were terrified of Oden, as they believed he made nocturnal flights through the sky to observe his people, and then decide who would prosper or perish. Because of his presence, many people chose to stay inside. – Sound familiar??
•In Rome, where winters were not as harsh as those in the far north, Saturnalia—a holiday in honor of Saturn, the god of agriculture—was celebrated. Beginning in the week leading up to the winter solstice and continuing for a full month, Saturnalia was a hedonistic time, when food and drink were plentiful and the normal Roman social order was turned upside down. For a month, slaves would become masters. Peasants were in command of the city. Business and schools were closed so that everyone could join in the fun. Also around the time of the winter solstice, Romans observed Juvenalia, a feast honoring the children of Rome. In addition, members of the upper classes often celebrated the birthday of Mithra, the god of the unconquerable sun, on December 25. It was believed that Mithra, an infant god, was born of a rock. For some Romans, Mithra's birthday was the most sacred day of the year.
•In the early years of Christianity, Easter was the main holiday; the birth of Jesus was not celebrated. In the fourth century, church officials decided to institute the birth of Jesus as a holiday.Unfortunately, the Bible does not mention date for his birth (a fact Puritans later pointed out in order to deny the legitimacy of the celebration). Although some evidence suggests that his birth may have occurred in the spring (why would shepherds be herding in the middle of winter?), Pope Julius I chose December 25. It is commonly believed that the church chose this date in an effort to adopt and absorb the traditions of the pagan Saturnalia festival. First called the Feast of the Nativity, the custom spread to Egypt by 432 and to England by the end of the sixth century. By the end of the eighth century, the celebration of Christmas had spread all the way to Scandinavia. Today, in the Greek and Russian orthodox churches, Christmas is celebrated 13 days after the 25th, which is also referred to as the Epiphany or Three Kings Day. This is the day it is believed that the three wise men finally found Jesus in the manger.By holding Christmas at the same time as traditional winter solstice festivals, church leaders increased the chances that Christmas would be popularly embraced, but gave up the ability to dictate how it was celebrated. By the Middle Ages, Christianity had, for the most part, replaced pagan religion. On Christmas, believers attended church, then celebrated raucously in a drunken, carnival-like atmosphere similar to today's Mardi Gras. Each year, a beggar or student would be crowned the "lord of misrule" and eager celebrants played the part of his subjects. The poor would go to the houses of the rich and demand their best food and drink. If owners failed to comply, their visitors would most likely terrorize them with mischief. Christmas became the time of year when the upper classes could repay their real or imagined "debt" to society by entertaining less fortunate citizens.
•In the early 17th century, a wave of religious reform changed the way Christmas was celebrated in Europe. When Oliver Cromwell and his Puritan forces took over England in 1645, they vowed to rid England of decadence and, as part of their effort, cancelled Christmas. By popular demand, Charles II was restored to the throne and, with him, came the return of the popular holiday.
•The pilgrims, English separatists that came to America in 1620, were even more orthodox in their Puritan beliefs than Cromwell. As a result, Christmas was not a holiday in early America. From 1659 to 1681, the celebration of Christmas was actually outlawed in Boston. Anyone exhibiting the Christmas spirit was fined five shillings. By contrast, in the Jamestown settlement, Captain John Smith reported that Christmas was enjoyed by all and passed without incident.
•After the American Revolution, English customs fell out of favor, including Christmas. In fact, Congress was in session on December 25, 1789, the first Christmas under America's new constitution. Christmas wasn't declared a federal holiday until June 26, 1870.

Objections to the Christmas Tree:
In the past, there have been many objections to Christmas trees:

The Prophet Jeremiah condemned as Pagan the ancient Middle Eastern practice of cutting down trees, bringing them into the home and decorating them. Of course, these were not really Christmas trees, because Jesus was not born until centuries later, and the use of Christmas trees was not introduced for many centuries after his birth. Apparently, in Jeremiah's time the "heathen" would cut down trees, carve or decorate them in the form of a god or goddess, and overlay it with precious metals. Some Christians feel that this Pagan practice was similar enough to our present use of Christmas trees that this passage from Jeremiah can be used to condemn both:

Jeremiah 10:2-4: "Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not." (KJV).

In Europe, Pagans in the past did not cut down evergreen trees, bring them into their homes and decorate them. That would have been far too destructive of nature. But during the Roman celebration of the feast of Saturnalia, Pagans did decorate their houses with clippings of evergreen shrubs. They also decorated living trees with bits of metal and replicas of their God, Bacchus. Tertullian (circa 160 - 230), an early Christian leader and a prolific writer, complained that too many fellow-Christians had copied the Pagan practice of adorning their houses with lamps and with wreathes of laurel at Christmas time.

The English Puritans condemned a number of customs associated with Christmas, such as the use of the Yule log, holly, mistletoe, etc. Oliver Cromwell preached against "the heathen traditions" of Christmas carols, decorated trees and any joyful expression that desecrated "that sacred event.”

In America, the Pilgrim's second governor, William Bradford, a Puritan, tried hard to stamp out all "pagan mockery" at Christmas time. Christmas trees were not used by Puritans in colonial times. However, if they were, they would certainly have been forbidden.

In 1851, Pastor Henry Schwan of Cleveland OH appears to have been the person responsible for decorating the first Christmas tree in an American church. His parishioners condemned the idea as a Pagan practice; some even threatened the pastor with harm. But objections soon dissipated.

Origins of the Christmas Tree:

Pagan traditions: Many Pagan cultures used to cut boughs of evergreen trees in December, move them into the home or temple, and decorate them. 7 Modern-day Pagans still do. This was to recognize the winter solstice -- the time of the year that had the shortest daylight hours, and longest night of the year. This occurs annually sometime between DEC-20 to 23. They noticed that the days were gradually getting shorter; many feared that the sun would eventually disappear forever, and everyone would freeze. But, even though deciduous trees, bushes, and crops died or hibernated for the winter, the evergreen trees remained green. They seemed to have magical powers that enabled them to withstand the rigors of winter.

Not having evergreen trees, the ancient Egyptians considered the palm tree to symbolize resurrection. They decorated their homes with its branches during the winter solstice.

"The first decorating of an evergreen tree began with the heathen Greeks and their worship of their god Adonia, who allegedly was brought back to life by the serpent Aessulapius after having been slain."

The ancient Pagan Romans decorated their "trees with bits of metal and replicas of their god, Bacchus [a fertility god]. They also placed 12 candles on the tree in honor of their sun god" Their mid-winter festival of Saturnalia started on DEC-17 and often lasted until a few days after the Solstice.

In Northern Europe, the ancient Germanic people tied fruit and attached candles to evergreen tree branches, in honor of their god Woden. Trees were viewed as symbolizing eternal life. This is the deity after which Wednesday was named. The trees joined holly, mistletoe, the wassail bowl and the Yule log as symbols of the season. All predated Christianity.


Christmas traditions:

One Christmas tradition was that St. Boniface (675? - 755; a.k.a. Winfred) cut down a deciduous tree in the presence of some newly-baptized Christians. The tree was an oak -- once sacred to the former Pagans. It miraculously split into four pieces, revealing an evergreen tree growing from the center of the oak stump. This symbolized the death of Paganism and the establishment of Christianity.

Another is that Martin Luther (1483 - 1546) was so impressed by a forest scene that he allegedly cut down a small fir tree, took it home, and decorated it with lighted candles. This is probably a myth, because the earliest documented record of a Christmas tree in Germany is dated to almost 60 years after his death.



“Have yourself a very Pagan Solstice……”
After all, according to the Mayan calendar, we only have five years before the end of time! (12/23/2012)
 
I just now started reading the boards. Interesting about the listener comments. Are they copyrighted by the listener? Is it legal to post what they have written? Do you need their permission?
 
bonteeb said:
I just now started reading the boards. Interesting about the listener comments. Are they copyrighted by the listener? Is it legal to post what they have written? Do you need their permission?

No, Yes, No, respectively.

When a listener writes to a station, the listener's letter (be it snail mail, e-mail, fax or whatever) goes into the station's public inspection file and remains there for three years. It would probably be best not to post a letter that doesn't go into the PIF, however.

R
 
InTIMadate said:
•The middle of winter has long been a time of celebration around the world. Centuries before the arrival of the man or myth

I am surprised you got this overly religious post past the board censors.

The Christmas records are back in the vault (or stored in the automation system) until they make their apprearance next November on the same list of stations.
 
Robert Bass said:
When a listener writes to a station, the listener's letter (be it snail mail, e-mail, fax or whatever) goes into the station's public inspection file and remains there for three years. It would probably be best not to post a letter that doesn't go into the PIF, however.

There is, Robert, quite a bit of leeway in what goes into the public file. Listener communications do not ALL go into the file. Only those (in my terms) deemed to be bona fiede comments or suggestions on the programming or operations of a station need go there. Song requests, comments to the morning show, contest entries, etc., do not need to go there. On the other hand, a listener communication about the fairness of a contest, "discrimination" against local artists, quality of traffic reports, and similar, would need to be placed there. Anonymous rants do not, nor do those that employ offensive language. Of course, issues of equal time, personal attack, and so on would be there. And the political file in the PIF will include those communications regarding political advertising and rates as specified in the rules.

But saying that any listener communication has to go there is not true.
 
I was at Barnes & Nobles a couple of weeks ago, and someone had decided to ply some Christmas "rock" guitar CD over the loudspeakers....

Boy ! Did that SUCK !! The guitar riffing was sickening ! Worse than what you find playing on a second rate video game!

But people in the business, and their little robot clerks, just go with the flow and follow the product as someone (in authority.... ha ha ha ) has labled it. The same folks who would tell you that Jethro Tull is a Heavy Metal band, just because a renowned authority figure like The Grammy's chose to label them that way.....
and all the little robot DJ's ... just go with the flow... real "team" players !!! :p

I say resist the so-called authorities.... incuding consultants.... they all drink from the same tea!!

It was so bad and distracting, that I left the store, without buying anything!

Wat to go B&N !!!
 
DavidEduardo said:
Robert Bass said:
When a listener writes to a station, the listener's letter (be it snail mail, e-mail, fax or whatever) goes into the station's public inspection file and remains there for three years. It would probably be best not to post a letter that doesn't go into the PIF, however.

There is, Robert, quite a bit of leeway in what goes into the public file. Listener communications do not ALL go into the file. Only those (in my terms) deemed to be bona fiede comments or suggestions on the programming or operations of a station need go there. Song requests, comments to the morning show, contest entries, etc., do not need to go there. On the other hand, a listener communication about the fairness of a contest, "discrimination" against local artists, quality of traffic reports, and similar, would need to be placed there. Anonymous rants do not, nor do those that employ offensive language. Of course, issues of equal time, personal attack, and so on would be there. And the political file in the PIF will include those communications regarding political advertising and rates as specified in the rules.

But saying that any listener communication has to go there is not true.

Did you miss my "It would probably be best NOT to post a letter that didn't make it into the PIF" comment? A few examples you noted, might not. Anonymous rants being about the only letter that probably wouldn't. But everything else, including song requests, does. The FCC rules state that every communication goes in, except deflamatory material. I would suspect SPAM letters don't go in either. But eveerything else does. I'm not going to debate this.

R
 
Ok, I understand the public has a right to inspect broadcast files. The connection that I'm not making is......is this post an extention of the PIF?
 
bonteeb said:
Ok, I understand the public has a right to inspect broadcast files. The connection that I'm not making is......is this post an extention of the PIF?

No, the post was not meant to serve in any relation to the station's PIF. It was posted for reader amusement and discussion. I deliberately omitted the writer's name and e-mail address, to protect their identity, since this isn't for the PIF.

As for the rules:

[Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 47, Volume 4]
[Revised as of October 1, 2006]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 47CFR73.1202]

[Page 294]

TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION

CHAPTER I--FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION (CONTINUED)

PART 73_RADIO BROADCAST SERVICES--Table of Contents

Subpart H_Rules Applicable to All Broadcast Stations

Sec. 73.1202 Retention of letters received from the public.

All written comments and suggestions received from the public by
licensees of commercial AM, FM, TV and Class A TV broadcast stations
regarding operation of their station shall be maintained in the local
public inspection file, unless the letter writer has requested that the
letter not be made public or when the licensee feels that it should be
excluded from the public inspection file because of the nature of its
content, such as a defamatory or obscene letter.
(a) Letters shall be retained in the local public inspection file
for three years from the date on which they are received by the
licensee.
 
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