What does it have to do with Seattle?
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- Thread starter Robert Biltmore Jennings
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What does it have to do with Seattle?
Are you sure? KGO is a heritage newsradio station who have garnered large audiences for decades (hence why it is so amazing to hear that they are struggling). I have not seen the numbers in San Francisco, but I find that to be very surprising. If you have the ratings available I would really like to know how KFOG is fairing lately. Great station, but I only listen online periodically.
KGO was mortally wounded by the introduction of the PPM in 2008. It had been aging for a decade, but the PPM showed that the huge TSL KGO had in the diary was not real, and the station descended to around 20th in 25-54. It had very high costs, as a live and local all talk and news station.
Since then, it changed format to all news and is doing even worse. It is not a "heritage" news station as it was mostly talk with some news blocks for decades.
It's too bad, because during the late 1980s, when I would frequently listen to the station, I knew other people here in the Seattle area who listened to it at night, and we all thought it was an excellent talk station.
When it was still highly rated -- whether the ratings were faulty under the old system or not -- it was an excellently programmed talk station.
I see the modern country trend as an outgrowth of where country music seemed to be headed during the 1990's boom. After all, Garth Brooks introduced high-distortion rock guitar into country with one of his hits (can't remember the title -- I think the song actually flopped); and didn't Toby Keith do a country version of rap with that song "I wanna talk about me, I wanna talk about I..." (whatever the title of that stupid song was?).
I don't listen to FM much, so the only exposure I get to modern country music is the Canadian stations which play it on AM. I hear a lot of chick singers, some Americana music influences, and a lot of Southern Rock style lead guitar going on. Maybe that's just what they're playing in Canada, I don't really know...
I don't think the hotter guitar sounds are necessarily bad for the genre, but I can see how someone who likes the traditional country music would wonder what's happening to their favorite music -- similar to the backlash there was in some rock circles when rap-rock got popular.
I also hear some of the newer country stuff in karaoke, the songs usually featuring a woman singing about getting back at the ex through some means of violence. Those songs really light the bar up. The more violent the lyrics, the more 'woo hoos' you hear. Very peculiar.
I don't listen to FM much, so the only exposure I get to modern country music is the Canadian stations which play it on AM. I hear a lot of chick singers, some Americana music influences, and a lot of Southern Rock style lead guitar going on. Maybe that's just what they're playing in Canada, I don't really know...
I don't think the hotter guitar sounds are necessarily bad for the genre, but I can see how someone who likes the traditional country music would wonder what's happening to their favorite music -- similar to the backlash there was in some rock circles when rap-rock got popular.
I also hear some of the newer country stuff in karaoke, the songs usually featuring a woman singing about getting back at the ex through some means of violence. Those songs really light the bar up. The more violent the lyrics, the more 'woo hoos' you hear. Very peculiar.
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There is a lot of modern country music coming out of Canada that I find to be pretty good. Its still not my favourite (like the 50's through the 90's were), but I can easily respect it as quality music. These days, country music has garnered a very extreme following. I wish anyone the best of luck if they plan to discuss how bad the music has gotten with an avid listener. They will tell you that you have bad taste and refuse to listen to anything else.
Actually it was Waylon Jennings who introduced rock guitar to country music. And country rap dates back to Jimmy Dean and Big Bad John. FYI, the writer of Toby's rap song was Bobby Braddock, who also wrote the George Jones classic "He Stopped Loving Her Today." So the roots of today's country are very deep.
Rap is a rhythmic narrative. Charlie Daniels did it in Devil Went Down To Georgia. Johnny Cash did it in Boy Named Sue. Mel Tillis did it too. Lots of examples in country and folk music. Tom Paxton did it.
What makes it rap is the rhythmic, staccato nature of it. They didn't use the word "rap" until much later. But it's the same thing.
The influence of classic country on modern country is irrelevant. Modern country is still rubbish.
Fab Five Freddy. Sugarhill Gang. Kool Moe Dee. Afrika Bambaataa. Kurtis Blow. Grandmaster Flash. KRS-One....JIMMY DEAN?
ha ha, good one Bong
Technically speaking, you could argue that Ella Fitzgerald was a pioneer in rap music. However, I don't think anyone is going to blame her for being the rationale for "Jason Aldean" to make an official country-rap song.
The difference is she didn't rap actual words.
I think the main difference is that I am able to draw my own plasma by holding a ziplock up to my ear whilst listening to a country music radio station.
I saw the Toby Keith country rap song as different from the narratives in earlier Country tracks (like the Jimmy Dean one mentioned, and you could also include Johnny Cash's "Boy Named Sue").
The cadence was different, and it was put out right when rap began to be included in some rock songs. I was working in a building with some radio music programmers at the time and they referred to it as the first country attempt at rap -- for what that's worth.
Either way, whether you like it or not, rap is one of the common pop music expressions now -- I think it was only a matter of time before it drifted over to country and other genres of music. There always has been a bit of drift and crossover in musical styles.
The cadence was different, and it was put out right when rap began to be included in some rock songs. I was working in a building with some radio music programmers at the time and they referred to it as the first country attempt at rap -- for what that's worth.
Either way, whether you like it or not, rap is one of the common pop music expressions now -- I think it was only a matter of time before it drifted over to country and other genres of music. There always has been a bit of drift and crossover in musical styles.
I agree with that...and as you point out, it came out 40 years after some of the earlier examples. The point is that "talking songs" have been popular in country for a long time. Little Jimmy Dickens kind of talks his way through a lot of songs. Especially now that he's 92.
What Ella did was called scat singing. From Wikipedia: In vocal jazz, scat singing is vocal improvisation with wordless vocables, nonsense syllables or without words at all. Scat singing is a difficult technique that requires singers with the ability to sing improvised melodies and rhythms using the voice as an instrument rather than a speaking medium.
Jeannie Sealy has done it in country too.
One thing we have failed to mention, the sales of "jacked up trucks" must be through the roof at all of our local used car stealerships thanks to modern country music.
"I've got that real. good. feel. good. stuff;
up under the seat of my big. black. jacked. up. truck.;
rollin' on 55's! Pretty girl by my side!"
Oh lookie there, my ears are exuding plasma.
"I've got that real. good. feel. good. stuff;
up under the seat of my big. black. jacked. up. truck.;
rollin' on 55's! Pretty girl by my side!"
Oh lookie there, my ears are exuding plasma.
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