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Old ABC network ID

According to wikipedia (use your own judgment) the modern,
what's sometimes called the "eight-ball", ABC logo was first
seen following the October 19, 1962 episode of "I'm Dickens,
He's Fenster." The logo that started this thread, with the map
of the U.S., dates back to the earliest days of the ABC television
network, probably to 1948.
 
bpatrick said:
According to wikipedia (use your own judgment) the modern,
what's sometimes called the "eight-ball", ABC logo was first
seen following the October 19, 1962 episode of "I'm Dickens,
He's Fenster." The logo that started this thread, with the map
of the U.S., dates back to the earliest days of the ABC television
network, probably to 1948.
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It would seem odd that ABC would debut a logo *after* the fall season already began. I wonder (let's say hypothetically that Wiki is correct here), then, if the first 4-5 Jetsons episodes, which aired in color (also the first Season 3 Flintstones eps being in color), had either *no* "color announcement" by ABC, or, if ABC had a color announcement with the old logo.

BTW about that YouTube 2 posts or so above...I would tend to believe that this aired in summer of 1962, prepping us for the debut....OTOH it never said "coming this fall".....

Quite the quandary!

cd
 
cd637299 said:
It would seem odd that ABC would debut a logo *after* the fall season already began. I wonder (let's say hypothetically that Wiki is correct here), then, if the first 4-5 Jetsons episodes, which aired in color (also the first Season 3 Flintstones eps being in color), had either *no* "color announcement" by ABC, or, if ABC had a color announcement with the old logo.
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I'd agree with that, but we've got an existence proof: the CBS Eye debuted on October 21, 1951, some weeks into that season ("I Love Lucy" had premiered earlier that season.)

It's not the way they'd do it today, I grant you...but I guess it's the way they did it then.
 
bpatrick said:
According to wikipedia (use your own judgment) the modern, what's sometimes called the "eight-ball", ABC logo was first
seen following the October 19, 1962 episode of "I'm Dickens, He's Fenster." The logo that started this thread, with the map
of the U.S., dates back to the earliest days of the ABC television network, probably to 1948.
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I saw a print ad in Broadcasting magazine (from David Gleason's website) from ABC explaining how some of their programming changes society, or something like that, and the then-new "8 ball" logo was shown in the ad. The date of the issue containing the logo: Oct. 15, 1962.
 
hubcity said:
I'd agree with that, but we've got an existence proof: the CBS Eye debuted on October 21, 1951, some weeks into that season
("I Love Lucy" had premiered earlier that season.)
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Lucy premiered on October 15, 1951--only six days earlier.
 
oldiesfan6479 said:
hubcity said:
I'd agree with that, but we've got an existence proof: the CBS Eye debuted on October 21, 1951, some weeks into that season
("I Love Lucy" had premiered earlier that season.)
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Lucy premiered on October 15, 1951--only six days earlier.
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Which makes nothing I said above untrue. Other series started up in September; for instance, Suspense's first episode of the season, "Merryman's Murder", aired September 18, and Studio One's first episode that season aired the day before. (Both factoids are courtesy IMDB.) I Love Lucy premiered relatively late in the season, but still before the Eye made it to the screen, roughly a month after the season began.
 
The King Bee said:
ABC changed to their current "Eight-Ball" logo on Sept. 1, 1962.
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I have also heard it referred to as the "meatball' logo.

I am also so glad to see the abc double rectangle logo after all of these years. I remember seeing it used after "The Bugs Bunny Show" and "American Bandstand" among others...
 
timmyb said:
The King Bee said:
ABC changed to their current "Eight-Ball" logo on Sept. 1, 1962.
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I have also heard it referred to as the "meatball' logo.

I am also so glad to see the abc double rectangle logo after all of these years. I remember seeing it used after "The Bugs Bunny Show" and "American Bandstand" among others...
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That's the first time I've thought about the double rectangle logo since I was a kid. I remember that one side had "abc" in lower-case letters; the other had AMERICAN
BROADCASTING
COMPANY.

I remember seeing that logo on "The Bugs Bunny Show."
 
Though it doesn't settle anything, here's a fascinating clip from ABC at the time of JFK's assassination. Of note is the way in which (during the first part of the clip) the 'Bulletin' is announced (so grim) then back to normal programming as if nothing happened. To our eyes today, that would seem unthinkable - but we need to recall that this event permanently changed our culture to depend on TV for news. Prior to that, it was the newspaper that was thought of as the primary news source. Anyhow, different topic....

To bring this back OT, there's an ABC "eight-ball" logo with musical tone featured at the beginning of a promo at the 7:00 mark. Really cool - especially considering it was 1963.
 
Two questions regarding the eight-ball logo: When did ABC Radio begin using that symbol? I remember seeing magazine ads with the triple swirl in the circle with ABC RADIO in caps, and does anyone recall the 1964-69 period when "American Bandstand" used a version of the ABC symbol with the "c" missing and the '65 through '69 at the bottom?
 
BRNout said:
To bring this back OT, there's an ABC "eight-ball" logo with musical tone featured at the beginning of a promo at the 7:00 mark. Really cool - especially considering it was 1963.
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Oh yeah, the ba-doop-doop-doop-doooooooooooooooo! tone. ABC had that "jingle" right until the mid-70's when promoting upcoming ABC shows.
 
There has been some discussion of the "rolling" ABC logo used to introduce their color programs from 1962 through 1965. As I recall, most of the affiliates ran the logo, but (during the 1962-63 and 1964-65 season at least) it was up to the local station announcer to say "This is an ABC color presentation", depending upon the station's ability to telecast in color.
 
timmyb said:
BRNout said:
To bring this back OT, there's an ABC "eight-ball" logo with musical tone featured at the beginning of a promo at the 7:00 mark. Really cool - especially considering it was 1963.
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Oh yeah, the ba-doop-doop-doop-doooooooooooooooo! tone. ABC had that "jingle" right until the mid-70's when promoting upcoming ABC shows.
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I saw that over the weekend. I got a copy of the premiere of "Never Too Young" (a soap aimed at teens) from 9/27/65 and there were several promos where either local spots or time not sold belonged. One of the promos had the jingle at the end. I'm at work right now - can't remember if it was at the end of the "12 O'Clock High" promo or one with Inger Stevens.
 
In regards to the circle logo - I found this on Ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1963-WBMS-R...ksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo=LVI&itu=UCI&otn=

Despite being marked as something from a Boston station it actually is for a matchbook from New York - the cover says :"On September 15, 1963 a new network will be born" and the ABC circle logo. The back says "The new channel 7 (using the circle 7 logo) New York". I don't know if this refers to the "New ABC" campaign or something else locally.
 
MCarney said:
In regards to the circle logo - I found this on Ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1963-WBMS-R...ksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo=LVI&itu=UCI&otn=

Despite being marked as something from a Boston station it actually is for a matchbook from New York - the cover says :"On September 15, 1963 a new network will be born" and the ABC circle logo. The back says "The new channel 7 (using the circle 7 logo) New York". I don't know if this refers to the "New ABC" campaign or something else locally.
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Not Sep 15 1962?

I just recently saw on YouTube a rare "Queen for a Day" episode which mentioned "The New ABC"...some comments there explain a little.

cd
 
As part of its 25th anniversary in 1978 TV Guide published
a book of trivia quizzes and old program pages from the
New York Metropolitan Edition. In there is a page from a
Tuesday night in the fall of 1963 with an ad for "The Phil
Silvers Show" (Bilko, not the one he did on CBS that year)
at "7:00 on the new 7," with the Circle 7 logo that's still in use.
That and my memory tell me that "The New ABC" was the
network's promotional theme for 1963-64.
 
The newer ABC and Circle 7 logos were first introduced in the 1962-63 season, but the 1963-64 season was branded "The New ABC" (and "The New Channel ___"). This seemed to be a promo push to wipe away any memories of their disastrous 1962-63 season.

On WABC-TV in New York (speaking of that matchbook), it meant that Sept. 15, 1963 marked the debut of a late night movie series, The Best of Broadway, which replaced their previous late-night movie skeins The Night Show and The Goodnight Show. On Sept. 16 they debuted a weekday afternoon movie series called The Big Show which, at the outset, had "theme days" (i.e. Wednesdays were "Chillers from Science Fiction") - this program is now regarded as an ancestor to their subsequent 4:30 Movie.
 
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