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Oldies and letters to the editor

Has anyone else noticed the number of letters to the editor in the News-Sentinel complaining about the recent loss of the oldies station in Knoxville? In addition, even a couple of columnists have brought it up. I don't ever recall seeing this much printed press given to a radio format change.

I too miss the oldies and hope that some local FM station will adopt that format. Meanwhile, I have renewed my Sirius/XM subscription largely because of the poor choices in Knoxville radio. There I get all the oldies I want, as well as a classic rock station with more than 100 songs. I never thought I'd be a cheerleader for satellite radio. Honestly, if I listen to local Knoxville radio in the house or garage, or in my vehicle that does not have satellite radio, I find myself mainly listening to the two country oldies stations on AM (850 and 1040). WKVL 850 seems to have enlarged their library lately, and I like the fact they use local DJ's all day and not a satellite feed like 1040.
 
True oldies had decent numbers considering it was on a station that some would say has an inferior signal. Looks like an opportunity awaits another "rimshot fm". 3.5--4.1 territory sells better than 1.2, 0.5 or --.
 
No coincidence that oldies listeners are probably the only demographic still reading the newspaper too.

I miss oldies as well. Scott Shannon had a great product. And it had decent ratings. However, the issue with oldies in Knoxville has NEVER been a ratings issue, it's been a revenue issue.
 
I Too Have Listened To 850...Seems Like There Playing Dead Country Music Artist To Dead Listeners....So What's The Point ..Maybe It's a Personal Choice By The Owner...As Far As DJ'S...There Is No Talent There At all...Again A Personal Choice By The Owner...All This Add's Up To A Losing Situation...Another Am Station Bites The Dust
 
I think maybe people are noticing the loss of oldies more so now because of the lack of older music on the radio. Last time we lost oldies on FM here, we had other alternatives such as Earl-FM playing a lot of '70s and '80s. Same with The Point. B-97.5 was doing true Flashback weekends and WIMZ was a lot more classic than it is now. The older audience had EZ 88.3 and Studio 1040. Most of those stations are gone now. B has gotten more current and IMZ is now playing '80s hair bands and '90s grunge. There's really nothing left for those over 40 on the radio here unless you like country.
 
LeadSled said:
I Too Have Listened To 850...Seems Like There Playing Dead Country Music Artist To Dead Listeners....So What's The Point ..Maybe It's a Personal Choice By The Owner...As Far As DJ'S...There Is No Talent There At all...Again A Personal Choice By The Owner...All This Add's Up To A Losing Situation...Another Am Station Bites The Dust


I agree ...no talent since Beacon left the building.
 
Letters to the editor are never going to change a radio format. At least not when it comes to corporate owned stations. They don't care what listeners think.
 
And SOME local owners apparently don't care what their listeners (if any) think. 850? A fool and his money are soon parted.
 
Excellent summary, RMarino. To me, B97.5 has always had a "feminine" appearance; maybe it's largely because of that awful "Delilah" show at night. Ugh. I used to like Studio 1040 just for a nice change of pace and its decent playlist. Easy Top 40 of sorts, but not sleepy elevator music. I detest WIMZ; if you're a true fan of rock and roll they are an insult to your intelligence.



RMarino said:
I think maybe people are noticing the loss of oldies more so now because of the lack of older music on the radio. Last time we lost oldies on FM here, we had other alternatives such as Earl-FM playing a lot of '70s and '80s. Same with The Point. B-97.5 was doing true Flashback weekends and WIMZ was a lot more classic than it is now. The older audience had EZ 88.3 and Studio 1040. Most of those stations are gone now. B has gotten more current and IMZ is now playing '80s hair bands and '90s grunge. There's really nothing left for those over 40 on the radio here unless you like country.
 
It's the same in every market accross the country. The so-called Classic Rock/Classic Hits stations are either playing '80's Hairband and '90's Grunge or they are playing the same overplayed songs from the '70's that you are already tired of hearing with no Deep Cuts at all. All the AC/Hot AC are pretty much focused more for women. Knoxville radio is no different than radio in most other cities. It pretty much all sucks, anymore.
 
jwk1979 said:
It's the same in every market accross the country. The so-called Classic Rock/Classic Hits stations are either playing '80's Hairband and '90's Grunge or they are playing the same overplayed songs from the '70's that you are already tired of hearing with no Deep Cuts at all. All the AC/Hot AC are pretty much focused more for women. Knoxville radio is no different than radio in most other cities. It pretty much all sucks, anymore.

The classic rock format was designed 25 years ago as a Baby Boomer format. WIMZ is running it like a Generation X era format. That's fine if that's what they want to do. But it still leaves a void and locally no one is filling it.
 
The biggest problem with classic rock is the format just never digs deep enough. Same (great) songs for the past thirty years just don't get me excited anymore!
 
No one knows how to do fun-time radio anymore, and that type of radio is what made us love radio from the "when-oldies-were-new" days in the first place. For a lot of great memories surrounding great radio in the old days, visit http://www.ourradioshow.net/ . (The Bob Todd that serves as one of the hosts of this site is the much-remembered "Chickamauga Charlie" from Chattanooga's golden days of top 40 radio).
 
TnJanitor said:
True oldies had decent numbers considering it was on a station that some would say has an inferior signal. Looks like an opportunity awaits another "rimshot fm". 3.5--4.1 territory sells better than 1.2, 0.5 or --.



Word on the street is that 98.7 was doing $700K a year in billing too. To have virtually no overhead and billing numbers like that, I would have been looking for a different place to put the news talk format instead of 98.7 like they did.
 
It's the same in every market accross the country. The so-called Classic Rock/Classic Hits stations are either playing '80's Hairband and '90's Grunge or they are playing the same overplayed songs from the '70's that you are already tired of hearing with no Deep Cuts at all. All the AC/Hot AC are pretty much focused more for women. Knoxville radio is no different than radio in most other cities. It pretty much all sucks, anymore

Mostly true, but are you suggesting Classic Rock and Classic Hits are the same music? I always think of C-Rock and C-Hits as mostly different genres, with some overlap. Am I confused?

Also...Deep cuts were a mistake back when they were new, so why would they not be a mistake now? Show me a Classic Rocker or CHR/Top 40 that played too many deep cuts and I will show you a station that failed. Your mileage may vary, Dude, but ain't it fun to debate?
 
Big Bopper said:
It's the same in every market accross the country. The so-called Classic Rock/Classic Hits stations are either playing '80's Hairband and '90's Grunge or they are playing the same overplayed songs from the '70's that you are already tired of hearing with no Deep Cuts at all. All the AC/Hot AC are pretty much focused more for women. Knoxville radio is no different than radio in most other cities. It pretty much all sucks, anymore

Mostly true, but are you suggesting Classic Rock and Classic Hits are the same music? I always think of C-Rock and C-Hits as mostly different genres, with some overlap. Am I confused?

Also...Deep cuts were a mistake back when they were new, so why would they not be a mistake now? Show me a Classic Rocker or CHR/Top 40 that played too many deep cuts and I will show you a station that failed. Your mileage may vary, Dude, but ain't it fun to debate?

Because there are no broadcasters in the biz. We've been overrun with accountants and oil change mechanics.
 
What follows is just one radio listener's two cents worth. I stumbled upon these forums trying to find out who was broadcasting on 98.1, and this led to my browsing some of the other discussions going on. This topic about classic rock on FM raises my own feelings of frustration as a local radio listener.

I wonder if the idea of a classic rock station that only plays album rock from the 60s and 70s really makes sense. Is the thinking that this kind of station is suppose to pull in the listeners who are part of some baby boomer cohort? I would identify myself with this kind of population, if that's the case, but I can say that this kind of format isn't going to work for me. I'm much more likely to be listening to WUTK, WFIV, or WUOT than I am WIMZ, for example. And, even slightly shifting this kind of play list from what WIMZ is drawing from isn't likely to win me over for very long. The root of the problem is found by looking at what drew me into listening to FM radio music to begin with.

Forty some years ago, FM radio was a means to be introduced to new and exciting music, which was outside the realm of the pop music that was being played on AM radio. Early FM radio, like I listened to, depended on having a DJ who was into this music and could draw together selections that they liked and share them with their listeners.

While I still enjoy listening to music from the heyday of album rock and roll, my interest in being exposed to new and different music didn't ossify when I turned 30 years old.

What is missing in the current, predominant format of FM radio, which appears to be built around pre-selected and limited libraries of music, is any sort of human element. Particularly, there's no musical taste involved. This would require getting back to DJs who know music and can build a playlist from their own exposure to music, which hopefully goes beyond what my own music experience is.

It's remarkable how difficult it is to find anything like that these days. The closest I can come up with, locally, is what WUOT does in the way of classical and jazz programming, what WUTK does to some extent with some of their programming, and what WDVX does in the way of Blue Grass/Americana music. I guess some of the commercial stations may bring in some syndicated programs that explore a range of music beyond the typical, cookie-cutter playlists, but I can't say that I've really tried to figure out the schedules for them. Actually, the closest thing to what I'm describing, which I've been able to find, seems to be on the internet (for example, Radio Paradise). Does Radio Paradise, as an example, offer everything in the way of music that I could want? Far from it, but their taste in music is close enough to mine that I find most of what they offer interesting, whether it be a "classic" rock selection or something more contemporary.

I think FM radio is missing an opportunity to better craft programming that really appeals to my age group. We grew up on FM radio as our gateway to music, and in the meanwhile, we probably haven't all gone the way of downloadable content and iPods (yet). As others have expressed, if all you want to do is listen to a limited slice of the music scene, satellite radio does a better job than commercial FM radio (and for the internet radio scene, there's Pandora, as well). Personally, I find these music-only options of limited appeal, since they lack personality or soul.

(Sorry for the rant.)
 
Space said:
What is missing in the current, predominant format of FM radio, which appears to be built around pre-selected and limited libraries of music, is any sort of human element.

Bingo, no human element, you're an astute listener. Today everything's about automation, satellites, syndication, voice tracking, consultant playlists, corporate managers — nothing human in any of it...
 
Big Bopper said:
It's the same in every market accross the country. The so-called Classic Rock/Classic Hits stations are either playing '80's Hairband and '90's Grunge or they are playing the same overplayed songs from the '70's that you are already tired of hearing with no Deep Cuts at all. All the AC/Hot AC are pretty much focused more for women. Knoxville radio is no different than radio in most other cities. It pretty much all sucks, anymore

Mostly true, but are you suggesting Classic Rock and Classic Hits are the same music? I always think of C-Rock and C-Hits as mostly different genres, with some overlap. Am I confused?

Also...Deep cuts were a mistake back when they were new, so why would they not be a mistake now? Show me a Classic Rocker or CHR/Top 40 that played too many deep cuts and I will show you a station that failed. Your mileage may vary, Dude, but ain't it fun to debate?

Bopper...you are correct, sir. Deep cuts will not bring you audience. (the deeper you go, and the more deep you play, the ratings follow right into the toilet.) And Classic Rock and Classic Hits are two different animals.
 
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