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Oldies radio returns to Orlando

> Also ran this one on the Orlando board for obvious reasons.
> The Big 810 WEUS signed on today and they are running Scott
> Shannon's True Oldies format which has a nice variety of
> music from the 1950's thru the early 1970's. They are not in
> AM stereo but they are only running one channel, and you can
> really hear it in some of the songs. Yea, yea I know it's
> only day one but nonetheless a good day for oldies fans here
> in Orlando. I just hope they get out there and promote the
> heck out of the station now. There are people who want this
> kind of music, and they need to know that it's back again.
> http://www.trueoldieschannel.com/
>

Glad to hear that. I hope some station in Atlanta picks up Scott Shannon. He used to be a jock on WQXI back in the Top 40 days here. Not only that but he seems to be very nice and personable. I e-mailed him a few months ago and I got a personal reply answering all the questions and comments I had within a few hours. Apparently he has been trying to land Atlanta for a long time. At least he can be heard every afternoon announcing for Sean Hannity. <P ID="signature">______________
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Re: AM oldies

[Following your thinking, a TV station could sign-on in black & white and that would be OK?]


I have an independent TV station in my market that shows mostly old b&w TV shows and movies. And what about TV Land and Nick At Night on cable?
 
Re: AM oldies

> > There is no future in the "roots of rock & roll". Yeah,
> > it's on-the-air but if they get an 1 share it'll be a
> > miracle.
> >
> > Oldies listener have heard their music in stereo on FM for
>
> > years- I contend if they want oldies THAT bad, they will
> or
> > already have gone satellite. I love Oldies but I would
> not
> > choose to make the format a listening choice on AM,
> > especially one that is a rimshot from outside the market.
> >
> Oldies was born on AM. Designed for AM. Most of the
> listeners that grew up with it heard it on AM. So I doubt
> anybody would mind.
>
AM is fine with me as long as it's a station with a decent signal.
 
Look at your TV Guide before posting next time

> And what about TV Land
> and Nick At Night on cable?

Primarily color programs. Yes, there are some exceptions, such as Dick Van Dyke, The Addams Family, and Leave it to Beaver on TV Land ... but most of that runs outside of prime-time (the lone exception is the nightly Andy Griffith at 9:00), and all of Nick@Nite's programs are color.
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Re: Look at your TV Guide before posting next time

> > And what about TV Land
> > and Nick At Night on cable?
>
> Primarily color programs. Yes, there are some exceptions,
> such as Dick Van Dyke, The Addams Family, and Leave it to
> Beaver on TV Land ... but most of that runs outside of
> prime-time (the lone exception is the nightly Andy Griffith
> at 9:00), and all of Nick@Nite's programs are color.

And you've probably noticed a significant shift in the age of the TV Land/Nick at Nite programs: 80s titles, like Full House, Cosby Show, Night Court, Who's the Boss?

Like oldies is getting younger, TV re-runs are too.
 
AM oldies

Oldies "designed for AM"? Really? Who said so? If what you say is true, why was the Oldies format not a predominantly AM format for the past 20+ years?

People today measure things by today's standard- and, for the most part, music on AM is not the deal. Didn't you notice that in the 70s? Music on AM DIED a painful death once already.

It's 2006- time to get with the program.

> Oldies was born on AM. Designed for AM. Most of the
> listeners that grew up with it heard it on AM. So I doubt
> anybody would mind.
>
 
AM oldies

Right, and I'd bet your little independent TV station has about 5 viewers on a good day.

If the shows were shot in black & white, they have no choice. VERY LITTLE programming on either channel is in black & white today, anyway. They don't LIVE on black & white programming and Oldies will not live (successfully) on AM in most competitive markets.

>
> I have an independent TV station in my market that shows
> mostly old b&w TV shows and movies. And what about TV Land
> and Nick At Night on cable?
>
 
Re: AM oldies

> [Right, and I'd bet your little independent TV station has
> about 5 viewers on a good day.]


That station has been in operation for about 8 years. If 5 viewers can pay the bills and keep the doors open, what's wrong with that?
 
AM oldies

If that's all you're after- just a few listeners and don't go broke- go knock yourself out. All very cute and noble but pretty usless overall in today's radio evironment. I'd like to think that for most of us, much higher stakes and the influence and responsibilty that goes with them is what "the game" is all about.
>
> That station has been in operation for about 8 years. If 5
> viewers can pay the bills and keep the doors open, what's
> wrong with that?
>
 
Re: AM oldies

[I'd like to think that for most of us, much higher stakes and
> the influence and responsibilty that goes with them is what
> "the game" is all about.]


"The game" is also about eating and making the mortgage payment. Just ask the former staffs of those "Jack" radio stations.
 
Re: Another untruth

> [I'd like to think that for most of us, much higher stakes
> and
> > the influence and responsibilty that goes with them is
> what
> > "the game" is all about.]
>
>
> "The game" is also about eating and making the mortgage
> payment. Just ask the former staffs of those "Jack" radio
> stations.

The Jack stations do not have live jocks, because the listeners they are trying to appeal to do not want them. However, in many of the stations, ther eis a real production pro on duty in ever shift, crafting the drops that ofent make reference to the last song that played. In LA, there are as many producers as there were jocks, so the staff is still the same size, just deployed differently in light of listener feedback.
>
 
> That is the roots of rock and roll.

The Model T was the root of modern cars. Are you suggesting we go back to hand cranked starters and all the rest?
 
AM oldies

Well, actually, no. If I own a radio station, I want ratings and revenue. HOW I get them has nothing to do with meals & mortgages. Radio owners are under no obligation to feed & clothe people. Personally, there's nothing cooler than building a great team, putting them on-the-air and hearing them make magic. It's one of the most enjoyable and satisfying aspects of the biz. But, it is not the ONLY way to do radio.

Radio stations operating without full airstaffs is nothing new. There have automated/satellite run stations for years. And, now, the sour grapes crowd is crowing because the stations who've gone Jack have done so without personalities (so far). It's mostly insecurity and paranoia feeding the anti- Jack sentiment. In most markets, THE LISTENERS (their customers) seem to love them- which is, after all, the main goal (getting more listeners).

That being said, there are tens of thousands of people employed by radio stations disc jockeys do not make up a majority of that number. Why don't you get on GM or Ford's case today? They've operated irresponsibly for decades and the result today is cutting jobs and trimming down operations so they can be better corporate citizens. They have an obligation to their shareholders and the employees they'll still have to be much better businesspeople so they can actually stay in business.




> "The game" is also about eating and making the mortgage
> payment. Just ask the former staffs of those "Jack" radio
> stations.
>
 
> > That is the roots of rock and roll.
>
> The Model T was the root of modern cars. Are you suggesting
> we go back to hand cranked starters and all the rest?

It would keep some of our more plump citizens in better shape.

And leaded gas smells good too.
 
Oldies radio

the ONLY good reasons.

> It would keep some of our more plump citizens in better shape.
>
> And leaded gas smells good too.
>


> >
> > The Model T was the root of modern cars. Are you
> suggesting we go back to hand cranked starters and all the rest?


> > > That is the roots of rock and roll.
 
Sad state of Oldies

It's just occoured to me that we have this big long Oldies thread going and it's over a rimshot AM outside of Orlando FL that gets it's programming via satellite.

:-(
 
Re: AM oldies

> Oldies listener have heard their music in stereo on FM for
> years- I contend if they want oldies THAT bad, they will or
> already have gone satellite. I love Oldies but I would not
> choose to make the format a listening choice on AM,
> especially one that is a rimshot from outside the market.

My choice is a little different than yours. A staticky rimshot is exactly what I have on all day at the office as it is the only choice for 50s and 60s music in the area. If this station went away, I would scour the AM and FM dial to try to find a replacement. But that's just me.

From what I have read here and other places, I do understand that not many listeners would do that, and the music is reaching a point where it does not draw listeners in sufficient numbers from the money demographic. I know that commercial radio stations held by corporations have a duty to maximize shareholder value. It sounds like spots that stations receive through ad agencies, rather than direct, local ads, help stations make the maximum return on investment for shareholders.

That being said, does it seem that some folks are very well pleased to see Chuck, Elvis, Jerry Lee, et al gone from the radio?
 
AM oldies

> That being said, does it seem that some folks are very well
> pleased to see Chuck, Elvis, Jerry Lee, et al gone from the radio?

No, not at all. It's not a matter of personal preference but the fact is that Oldies stations who've insisted on sticking with much pre-Beatles music have seen their ratings go down, their revenues go down faster and their ability to compete 25-54 almost vanish. In order to stay competitive in the "money demos" (and yes, radio is a BUSINESS), having your average listener at around 60 simply does not work.

The 50's freaks and fanatics will listen to it anywhere- unfortunately, they don't add up to a large enough audience to be competitive in most markets.
 
Re: AM oldies

The volume level on singles was designed for juke boxes, so they would play loud. But they were also produced for AM radio play.


> Oldies "designed for AM"? Really? Who said so? If what
> you say is true, why was the Oldies format not a
> predominantly AM format for the past 20+ years?
>
> People today measure things by today's standard- and, for
> the most part, music on AM is not the deal. Didn't you
> notice that in the 70s? Music on AM DIED a painful death
> once already.
>
> It's 2006- time to get with the program.
>
> > Oldies was born on AM. Designed for AM. Most of the
> > listeners that grew up with it heard it on AM. So I doubt
> > anybody would mind.
> >
>
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AM oldies

'Cause that's all there practially was BACK THEN.

I suppose you still use a rotary dial phone, send letters and refuse to fly.

> The volume level on singles was designed for juke boxes, so
> they would play loud. But they were also produced for AM
> radio play.
>
>
> > Oldies "designed for AM"? Really? Who said so? If what
> > you say is true, why was the Oldies format not a
> > predominantly AM format for the past 20+ years?
> >
> > People today measure things by today's standard- and, for
> > the most part, music on AM is not the deal. Didn't you
> > notice that in the 70s? Music on AM DIED a painful death
> > once already.
> >
> > It's 2006- time to get with the program.
> >
> > > Oldies was born on AM. Designed for AM. Most of the
> > > listeners that grew up with it heard it on AM. So I
> doubt
> > > anybody would mind.
> > >
> >
>
 
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