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O'Loughlin Resigns from WECK
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GeorgeKramer
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From www.weck1230.com:
About Brad:
I'm a troublemaker
Never been a faker
Doing things my own way
And never giving up.
About Brad:
I'm a troublemaker
Never been a faker
Doing things my own way
And never giving up.
Dennis' 9-10 is day-old. 10-12 is live. Things are happening. I wish Loraine the best. She's an aces lady who wanted the best for her co-workers and cares for others. I tried communicating with Bill, but he apparently didn't find me worth the conversation.
the first time i happened across the bill o show i thought it was a "spoof" on talk radio. it was so bad it was entertaining. i can only imagine that circus on tv. the only reason people "found" that station in the first place was because of dennis miller, some hung around for what followed. when they announced the "all hometown radio" you could almost hear the collective station surf. any marketing plan that constantly degrades the competition and says little about your own product (whats to say?) is sophmoric and is doomed from the onset. advertising 101 tells you that on the first page.
Don't even tell me that Bill O'laughingstock actually thinks he has talent.
I was under the impression that he kinda got the joke---that he's utterly talentless on air. So hearing that he actuallly has an ego about any of his on air work is hysterical.
HEY BILL, there are 2 kinds of radio that are entertaining: the VERY good and the VERY bad.
Guess which category you fall into!
P.S. loved that bit where you spent 10 minutes talking about how the mic stand was loose. Classic.
I was under the impression that he kinda got the joke---that he's utterly talentless on air. So hearing that he actuallly has an ego about any of his on air work is hysterical.
HEY BILL, there are 2 kinds of radio that are entertaining: the VERY good and the VERY bad.
Guess which category you fall into!
P.S. loved that bit where you spent 10 minutes talking about how the mic stand was loose. Classic.
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SSSKub
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Bill O'Laughlin honestly has no business doing any type of talk show that isn't some niche "Financial Talk" on a Saturday afternoon, and the ratings showed that. How much did Mr. Greene dish out on that nonsense? It's like throwing money into a giant sewer...
If I'm Greene, I'm making Bill O pay for his time on the air the way all those mindless shows at noon do.
(Those are awful, Nick. I'm sorry, I think you're a talent but to put those people on under the "MID-DAY MENDOLA" moniker and allowing them to take charge does NOT sound good. If they're "coming on YOUR show" shouldn't you command things? Come in and out of breaks? Why not make Mid-Day Mendola 1-3pm and just board-op noon? Just a thought.)
I hope you guys at WECK make a splash, I really am rooting for you guys. I say "so long" to Bill O and his mindless callers who talk in circles for 30 mintues, as well as the Morning Woman who needs to interject her "sass" into every little thing. Here's to cutting the fat, and hopefully an evolution
If I'm Greene, I'm making Bill O pay for his time on the air the way all those mindless shows at noon do.
(Those are awful, Nick. I'm sorry, I think you're a talent but to put those people on under the "MID-DAY MENDOLA" moniker and allowing them to take charge does NOT sound good. If they're "coming on YOUR show" shouldn't you command things? Come in and out of breaks? Why not make Mid-Day Mendola 1-3pm and just board-op noon? Just a thought.)
I hope you guys at WECK make a splash, I really am rooting for you guys. I say "so long" to Bill O and his mindless callers who talk in circles for 30 mintues, as well as the Morning Woman who needs to interject her "sass" into every little thing. Here's to cutting the fat, and hopefully an evolution
And WECK is certainly in that boat. It stinks that Nick's show is cut short with that paid programming.
I hope WECK survives. Not just because I want a viable contender in the talk radio genre that is terribly struggling in this area, but Nick and Brad made brave decisions in breaking away from the norm here.
I hope WECK survives. Not just because I want a viable contender in the talk radio genre that is terribly struggling in this area, but Nick and Brad made brave decisions in breaking away from the norm here.
leelee said:
Please, let's reserve the word "brave" to, let's say, describe the men and women who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. I respect the opinions here of those who believe in Brad and Nick, though I don't share your views. But again, I was taken aback by the use of the word "brave."
Yesterday, I was driving around town and had a chance to tune in the "struggling" talk radio market as you describe it. What I heard was some very compelling programming. During the noon hour, WNED-AM's "Hear and Now" had a very informative conversation about the 30th anniversary of the discovery of the AIDS virus. WBFO's "Capitol Pressroom's" reporters roundtable focused on the ethics reform on the very day a compromise on the isssue was reached. Sandy Beach, whom GK claims is mailing it in, made his case that President Obama is beatable next year. I don't agree with Sandy's politics and the way he treats callers who disagree with him. But he's better than anyone on WECK. And then the guys on WGR were having fun with their "draft." The one thing I wasn't impressed with during my scan of the dial was tuning in WECK and hearing a dated discussion on the NFL draft that was recorded in late April. I know Brad is on vacation. But why on earth would anyone want to listen to dated material when the competition is live and timely.
In a week that WECK was the subject of not one but two artlcles in the Buffalo News -- something that Alan Pergament in his blog found somewhat undeserving for a station that is not even in the top 20 in the Buffalo market -- the station is not at its best when potential listeners may be tuning in. The morning show is floundering after the firing of one of its host, and its afternoon host -- and PD -- is on vacation. Sad! And certainly not deserving of the label of "brave."
Philip_Airtime said:
Just for clarification:
Is a hockey player who dives in front of a slapshot "brave"?
Is someone who has a bellyache, yet goes to work anyway, "brave"?
Is telling a much bigger person that they are being rude for talking on a cell phone during a movie "brave"?
...or is "brave" only about being shot at?
Ever dive in front of a real slapshot? Especially knowing what the consequences could be?
Any bodily harm coming out of the programming decisions of a radio station that can't even crack a 1 share?
Any bodily harm coming out of the programming decisions of a radio station that can't even crack a 1 share?
Ahhh, here we have an interesting discussion over context. What is "brave?" And how long might it take for that word to enter the talk radio lexicon, perhaps as "Brave Radio" or "Brave Talk Radio?"
Perhaps we can agree on this: A man or woman, cop, fireman, soldier, who lays down his or her life for another in the line of fire, is truly "brave" also valorous and a genuine hero.
I don't so much mind the use of the word "brave" to describe a hockey player who takes a 90 mph puck in the shins or a woman who tells a 250 pound drunk spewing f-bombs at a Bills game to zip it. That's "brave" in context of the activity and the moment because there's an element of peril associated with the act.
But that is not the same "brave" exhibited by a citizen who jumps off a platform to pull a child away from an oncoming train and certainly not the "brave" that is exhibited in the face of incoming fire. And it is "brave" altogether different
from standing in the line of fire and returning fire on the battlefield or combating crime on our city streets.
It does not seem to me to be "brave" to sit in an air conditioned or heated radio studio expounding on the NFL draft, the Sabres and Bills or the faults of Obama, Bush or Wall Street. Rush Limbaugh is decidedly not brave. Nor is Hannity, Schultz, Beck, or Rhodes. The point is easily made.
And here, good readers, is an example of a civilized, stimulating debate about the use of a word. Language is how we communicate, reading, writing, speaking. Words are our tools and it behooves us to use the tools properly, because proper and correct use of the tools differentiates professionals from amateurs.
"Just what is 'brave'" would make a good hour of discussion on talk radio, IMNSHO. Maybe it's been done. But if it has been done, most likely it's been done on NPR.
As to the Cheektowaga radio station that seems to be getting more than its share of comments here, in The Buffalo News and bloggers' corners, I would only offer this: If it received as many mentions in Arbitron diaries as it has received in these threads, it might have broken a 2 share, Persons 12+. As that hasn't occurred, it seems clear that we give the station more attention and space than John or Jane Q. Public.
Well, I guess that's to be expected. It is, after all, a radio board.
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Perhaps we can agree on this: A man or woman, cop, fireman, soldier, who lays down his or her life for another in the line of fire, is truly "brave" also valorous and a genuine hero.
I don't so much mind the use of the word "brave" to describe a hockey player who takes a 90 mph puck in the shins or a woman who tells a 250 pound drunk spewing f-bombs at a Bills game to zip it. That's "brave" in context of the activity and the moment because there's an element of peril associated with the act.
But that is not the same "brave" exhibited by a citizen who jumps off a platform to pull a child away from an oncoming train and certainly not the "brave" that is exhibited in the face of incoming fire. And it is "brave" altogether different
from standing in the line of fire and returning fire on the battlefield or combating crime on our city streets.
It does not seem to me to be "brave" to sit in an air conditioned or heated radio studio expounding on the NFL draft, the Sabres and Bills or the faults of Obama, Bush or Wall Street. Rush Limbaugh is decidedly not brave. Nor is Hannity, Schultz, Beck, or Rhodes. The point is easily made.
And here, good readers, is an example of a civilized, stimulating debate about the use of a word. Language is how we communicate, reading, writing, speaking. Words are our tools and it behooves us to use the tools properly, because proper and correct use of the tools differentiates professionals from amateurs.
"Just what is 'brave'" would make a good hour of discussion on talk radio, IMNSHO. Maybe it's been done. But if it has been done, most likely it's been done on NPR.
As to the Cheektowaga radio station that seems to be getting more than its share of comments here, in The Buffalo News and bloggers' corners, I would only offer this: If it received as many mentions in Arbitron diaries as it has received in these threads, it might have broken a 2 share, Persons 12+. As that hasn't occurred, it seems clear that we give the station more attention and space than John or Jane Q. Public.
Well, I guess that's to be expected. It is, after all, a radio board.
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Of course I appreciate the compliment of being called brave, but if we can pretend it was not applied to me, would you agree that putting your livelihood up in the balance for something uncertain but ethically desirable would constitute, "the ability to confront fear, pain, danger, uncertainty, or intimidation." I was an English major, and I'm sticking up for the word, not myself. Brave and foolish are often only a hair's width apart.
So, what you're saying is that your career is over if WECK doesn't work out?
I would submit that "the ability to confront fear, pain, danger, uncertainty, or intimidation" has a physically dangerous component to it. Now, if you're married, there may be some physical danger to not coming home with a paycheck. Otherwise, everybody who walks into work every freakin' day is "brave".
To me, this smacks of the tendency of radio people to overdramatize their importance and impact. In a radio context, "brave" is the guy who mans the station during a major weather event in spite of physical danger to life and limb, not somebody who makes a programming decision.
I would submit that "the ability to confront fear, pain, danger, uncertainty, or intimidation" has a physically dangerous component to it. Now, if you're married, there may be some physical danger to not coming home with a paycheck. Otherwise, everybody who walks into work every freakin' day is "brave".
To me, this smacks of the tendency of radio people to overdramatize their importance and impact. In a radio context, "brave" is the guy who mans the station during a major weather event in spite of physical danger to life and limb, not somebody who makes a programming decision.
"Brave" may seem excessive (and I will avoid the American war discussion as we really don't want to go there), but they put their talk radio careers on the line, at least if they wish to live in this area.
As for the struggling talk radio in this area, if you think WGR's drafts are fun listening, then we're polar opposites. And the State's network "educating" us about AIDS... another topic to avoid.
As for the struggling talk radio in this area, if you think WGR's drafts are fun listening, then we're polar opposites. And the State's network "educating" us about AIDS... another topic to avoid.
Actually, standing up for what you believe in and risking the wrath of God-only-knows what kinds of nuts are listening might be described as brave.
If only hosts were as insulated as you think. Those are REAL people who are listening, who sometimes have very REAL reactions with very REAL consequences. Whether that plays out beyond threats and results in actual violence is irrelevant, as the potential is always there. Many hosts know this while they're speaking their mind. A parking lot can be a very lonely place after an especially fiery show.
Some would say Alan Berg was being stupid in provoking the group that ended up killing him. Some would say he was BRAVE.
Certain hosts, knowing lots of people really dislike them, continue to say things they feel they need to, for whatever reason, in spite of the danger that could potentially pose, large or small. Brave? Perhaps.
If only hosts were as insulated as you think. Those are REAL people who are listening, who sometimes have very REAL reactions with very REAL consequences. Whether that plays out beyond threats and results in actual violence is irrelevant, as the potential is always there. Many hosts know this while they're speaking their mind. A parking lot can be a very lonely place after an especially fiery show.
Some would say Alan Berg was being stupid in provoking the group that ended up killing him. Some would say he was BRAVE.
Certain hosts, knowing lots of people really dislike them, continue to say things they feel they need to, for whatever reason, in spite of the danger that could potentially pose, large or small. Brave? Perhaps.
So, jas, you're equating Brad & Nick's "bravery" with Alan Berg? AFAIK, Brad & Nick denigrated the talk efforts of their former employer in an attempt to garner notice and/or ratings. I don't know of any other incidents of "bravery". Then again, it's very possible that I missed something.
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SSSKub
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What I think is interesting, is that when building WECK, no one tried to steal away the only talk radio juggernaut, Shredd & Ragan??
Is it that Mr. Greene doesn't want to dish out the dollars? That kind of move would be earth shaking, ground breaking, and put WECK at the top of minds right out of the gate. I have the feeling that show could work in any element (aside from the all sports format.) Yet they're constantly left out of the conversation aside from "well, they own THEIR time slot."
A move like this is the kind of thing that would make WECK a powerhouse, with Brad & Nick there as well. I know it's far fetched, maybe that's why no one is bringing their names up, but its safe to say that it would be very interesting.
Is it that Mr. Greene doesn't want to dish out the dollars? That kind of move would be earth shaking, ground breaking, and put WECK at the top of minds right out of the gate. I have the feeling that show could work in any element (aside from the all sports format.) Yet they're constantly left out of the conversation aside from "well, they own THEIR time slot."
A move like this is the kind of thing that would make WECK a powerhouse, with Brad & Nick there as well. I know it's far fetched, maybe that's why no one is bringing their names up, but its safe to say that it would be very interesting.
SSSKub said:
Shouldn't be a surprise at all.
As I stated in a different post, Mr. Greene is a small market operator. By nature, those type operators never think big. Its always about paying the least they can get away with and operating on a shoestring budget. The idea of plunking down some bucks to invest in future results is a very hard pill to swallow.
And let's be realistic, smaller operators do not have the deeper pockets and liekly can't come up with the needed bucks, whether they wanted to or not.
That's why you pretty much never see smaller stations like this do anything ratings-wise.
P.S. I don't think you couold pay Shredd & Ragan enough to commit career suicide by going to a rimshot AM in 2011.
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