BTW, my review of The Loop's processing is what I heard prior to 2/17 (Friday), the day HHH says two new Omnia 11's went/were on the air in Chicago. Even though I was driving in the area Friday the 17th, I don't think I had The Loop punched up for very long. And if I did, I wasn't critically listening to them that day. I was more focused in on WXRT, since they to me sounded very different, from even the day before. Since I am a pretty heavy listener of WXRT, I'd swear I notice when they make small processing tweaks. My ears that day were telling me they sounded a bit more compressed, and the on-air mic sounded very different to what it has been sounding like lately. I would also have to say that over the years WXRT has had some of the best audio I've ever heard anywhere on the FM dial (from a purist standpoint). That statement even dates all the way back to the 70's. They also have of thee best sounding internet audio streams too.
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Omnia 11 first impressions
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Not up yet, still working through some weather/delivery issues to get the C.P. built that it will be on.
There will be a lot of talk on this station as well, so it will be a good test for the voice alone.
And the v1.0 with the HD processing isn't out yet, so as soon as that comes out and the station is on, it'll be rocking the web stream too.
Thanks Frank for verifying that the density detector is in the MB-AGC as well, that's what I understood it to be from talking to Corny and reading the manual. If there wasn't a T1 line between the studio and the TX, I would have run it barefoot just to save the $ on the AGC. But, if I'm going to run an AGC in front of anything, I'm not using a Compellor. It's worth the extra money to get the Ariane.
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Why not use a 24 bit STL so you can leave it alone till it gets to the processor. You might look at the APT stuff as it can do that over a T1. "Protection Processors" on STLs have always bothered me.
Just MHO...
BabyDJ said:
The Chameleon tech is more than just a density detector. The tech derives from the work I've been doing for years with my Audio Chameleon audio processors which were on the air from time to time on stations here in Cleveland. Didn't realize I was doing anything THAT special until folks like Jim Somich, Frank Foti, and longtime buddy Rolf Taylor heard it, and really pushed me to do something with the tech.
"Chameleon Technology" is a collection of techniques designed to make AGC's and limiters much smarter about managing levels. The original Audio Chameleon (1989) was a straight four band AGC, and nothing else, but it did have early versions of what is now in the 11 for density management. The 5 band AGC in the Omnia.11 resembles the original Chameleon in several ways.
As time moved on, much of the tech evolved to allow the creation of smarter wideband AGC's and smarter multiband limiters that don't generate tons of IM distortion when pushed harder.
What Nick would miss out on by turning off the wideband AGC is the invisible yet tight gain riding of levels it provides. A lot of folks are totally floored by this, the new clipper design, and the incredible amount of bass you can get out of the 11.
(BTW: I do want you to keep in touch Nick...there may be ways or settings to still make use of the wideband AGC so you don't loose this feature. Will be experimenting here before too long.)
So, in conclusion, the entire dynamics and bass management sections of the Omnia.11 employ various forms and derivatives of Chameleon tech, and the entire ball of wax works in unison to give the results folks hear in the gain control & frequency shaping of the Omnia.11.
-Cornelius
I don't pretend to understand all the technical or theoretical nuances of what you guys do, Corny, but I do know great audio when I hear it. I've processed airchains and played with everything from Multimaxes to Audio Prisms, and I've never heard anything that does what the 11 does. It's almost like the harder you push it, the cleaner it sounds. And I thought the 6 was a killer!
-- Doc
-- Doc
DoctorWu said:
Doc: Did you see this?
http://www.avc-group.eu/en/news/news/omnia_11_finally_a_processor_that_does_not_sound_processed/
One assumes VLC Group is the local Omnia dealer? As they say in the hills up here, "Hy Dodge outrunned yo' Chivalay".
DoctorWu said:
LOL..
Thanks, Doc! It's been a lot of years in the making, and when Frank and I teamed up to make the Omnia.11, worked away the past few years, and the final result took a long time for even us to believe...and we designed it!
Glad people are hearing the same thing we do! We are at the stage right now where we are really starting to learn what our new baby can do, and the next update will have presets that show this off even more...as well as a bunch of other things!
-C
Hi,
They have it on stream?
http://den-a.plr.liquidcompass.net/player/flash/audio_player.php?id=WPWXFM&uid=409
They have it on stream?
http://den-a.plr.liquidcompass.net/player/flash/audio_player.php?id=WPWXFM&uid=409
Can't wait to hear it in real life at the processing freakday. And even if it sounds like crap (which I don't think so btw) you can use it as a tv that fits nicely in a 19" rack
PaulyBoy said:
The one that defined "Pump & Suck" processing - WPLJ.
There is an AirAura on WNYC & WQXR, as well as on WKMK at the Jersey Shore - it sounds great on WKMK. A box can do wonderful things when tweaked by someone with ears - and can sound awful by someone without 'em. "You can lead a horse to water, but you cant make it think" comes to mind
.I have an Omnia 3fm Turbo on the air, and it sounds great given what its limitations are, even though I have had people comment about how bad that box is.
Turnpike Tuner said:The one that defined "Pump & Suck" processing - WPLJ.
There is an AirAura on WNYC & WQXR, as well as on WKMK at the Jersey Shore - it sounds great on WKMK. A box can do wonderful things when tweaked by someone with ears - and can sound awful by someone without 'em. "You can lead a horse to water, but you cant make it think" comes to mind
I have an Omnia 3fm Turbo on the air, and it sounds great given what its limitations are, even though I have had people comment about how bad that box is.
Chatted with a friend in NYC, and they said 'PLJ was cleaner and louder than their competition.
Turnpike Tuner said:WPLJ.
There is an AirAura on WNYC & WQXR, as well as on WKMK at the Jersey Shore - it sounds great on WKMK. A box can do wonderful things when tweaked by someone with ears - and can sound awful by someone without 'em. "You can lead a horse to water, but you cant make it think" comes to mind
Personnel at 'NYC & 'QXR are quite upset someone has gone public with their processing info.
PaulyBoy said:
Cleaner? Yes (than before). Louder? Didn't seem to be any louder than anyone else when I was punching around between Now, PLJ, & Z100 (Denon TU-680NAB tuner).
Random question: why have all the posts you've ever made on Radio-Info have been about Omnia? And as far as "Personnel at 'NYC & 'QXR are quite upset someone has gone public with their processing info"...didn't know it was a state secret. My apologies.
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