> > Look,
> >
> > What MANY of you fail to realize is that the move to
> > springer wasn't about poor ratings or programing from
> Glenn
> > Beck. It was PURELY a revenue decision. Cleveland is an
> > extremely liberal town,
>
> The city, yes. Inner suburbs, a little bit. The metro as a
> whole--not so much. Not really conservative either. But
> it's not liberal central.
--------------------------
But CLEVELAND's DEMO is Liberal. Remember, they only care about who has the booklets... And odds are, they're more lib then conservative. This city is one of the most liberal mid market cities, even more then detroit! The voting records prove it, it's not debatable.
>
> > and with WHK on the scene stealing
> > conservitalker revenue from TAM,
>
> I've got an idea who this is. I've thought it for a while.
> But, the profile throws me for a loop. Still, I dunno.
> Ghost of Luczak hangs in the air.
>
> And just think--talking more about WHK may very well get ONE
> person here listening to your station. That's a 100%
> increase! Bravo...spill the wine.
>
> > CC decided that the market
> > for conservative talk was tapped. So, in a "brilliant"
> > move, they decided to tap the untapped lib talk market!...
>
> > Well... Didn't go so well did it...?
>
> Not really, no. Could be the host; could be liberal talk
> radio as a genre. We don't know.
>
> > That's because libs
> > don't spend money,
>
> Tell that to George Soros, Peter B. Lewis, Laurie David, and
> the posters on DailyKos--and to Sherrod Brown's supporters.
--------------------------------------------------------------
True, but the run-of-the-mill Dem doesn't go out and buy hard wood floors, or patronize finantial planners... They but pizza's and go to bars. Conservatives have more disposable income (you can't argue with hard facts... this is true nation wide. run of the mill Repubs have more then Dems, straight up) and are willing to spend it on products because they believe in this country and don't lament private buisness like many libs do!
----------------------------------------------------
>
> > the audience isn't the same, and MOST
> > buisness owners who WOULD advertize are conservative, even
>
> > in this town!
>
> De minimus, even if it wasn't wrong. If you really think
> that businessmen anywhere, let alone here, tailor their
> advertising based on their own personal political views,
> you're crazy.
---------------
AHEM (cough) Matress warehouse, original mattress factory, Jack matia(spelling?) Chevy, General Steel, Bellawood, Bills Khacki's (spelling?)etc. They all hand pick the audience they want to advertize too. They pick a conservative audience because they HAVE MONEY to spend!!! It may or may not be their own personal views, but as many liberal buisness owners as you can think of that advertize across the board, I can think of just as many company owners that WON'T advertize on lib talk stations because of their beliefs. In fact, the Christian Buissnes Owners Coalition won't advertize AT ALL on a liberal talk station, OR a lib talk show.
Progressive Insurance is run/owned by the
> aforementioned Lewis. He's a frustrated hippie lib and a
> main financial supporter of MoveOn.org and some of the more
> extreme liberal political organizations in America. Know
> where I hear Progressive commercials? In the middle of the
> Limbaugh show. Know why? Because people listen to
> Limbaugh, and when people listening hear about saving on car
> insurance, they buy car insurance. They don't investigate
> the company's political proclivities normally. I knew about
> Progressive's owners' politics, but know who my insurance
> carrier is? Yep.
_________________________
And that's fine, but you'll hear a disproportionate number of lib buisnesses on conservative stations as opposed to conservative buisnesses on lib talk stations. Why don't lib talk stations make money? Ahem, 1350...
--------------------------------------------------------
>
> > They don't care about ratings in the mid
> > morning time slot, (they've dropped to around a 6 share in
>
> > their own demo!) they care about money. First of all,
> Glenn
> > Beck has verry little room for local spots, as little as 6
>
> > mins an hour. Springer has only 1 or 2 mins of network
> > spots in his show per break! MUCH more room for local
> > spots!
> >
> > So, if you look at it from a PD standpoint there are alot
> of
> > potential gains from switching to springer... but...
> > unfortunately springer is an idiot and his radio show is
> > un-entertaining.
>
> Yes, but that was known before they put him on the air.
> EVERYONE on this board questioned the Springer pick. But
> the potential gains of a new audience are negated by the
> bookend programming, the status of the host, and the
> proclivity for long term placement in the schedule (I tend
> to think that Clear Channel was stroking Springer's ego and
> that Springer wanted to use the show as an appendage of his
> statewide campaign, which died on the vine).
If you think CC Cleveland cares ONE BIT about ANYTHING but making money you're crazy. They don't care about Springer's campaign, they want MONEY. I'm tired of hearing about the CC conspiricy, it's insane. They've tapped a powerfull market, and they go with it. You don't hear anything about Google being a big evil liberal monster! I mean, look, if Lib talk made money it'd be everywhere just like conservatalkers.
~me
>
> >
> > What MANY of you fail to realize is that the move to
> > springer wasn't about poor ratings or programing from
> Glenn
> > Beck. It was PURELY a revenue decision. Cleveland is an
> > extremely liberal town,
>
> The city, yes. Inner suburbs, a little bit. The metro as a
> whole--not so much. Not really conservative either. But
> it's not liberal central.
--------------------------
But CLEVELAND's DEMO is Liberal. Remember, they only care about who has the booklets... And odds are, they're more lib then conservative. This city is one of the most liberal mid market cities, even more then detroit! The voting records prove it, it's not debatable.
>
> > and with WHK on the scene stealing
> > conservitalker revenue from TAM,
>
> I've got an idea who this is. I've thought it for a while.
> But, the profile throws me for a loop. Still, I dunno.
> Ghost of Luczak hangs in the air.
>
> And just think--talking more about WHK may very well get ONE
> person here listening to your station. That's a 100%
> increase! Bravo...spill the wine.
>
> > CC decided that the market
> > for conservative talk was tapped. So, in a "brilliant"
> > move, they decided to tap the untapped lib talk market!...
>
> > Well... Didn't go so well did it...?
>
> Not really, no. Could be the host; could be liberal talk
> radio as a genre. We don't know.
>
> > That's because libs
> > don't spend money,
>
> Tell that to George Soros, Peter B. Lewis, Laurie David, and
> the posters on DailyKos--and to Sherrod Brown's supporters.
--------------------------------------------------------------
True, but the run-of-the-mill Dem doesn't go out and buy hard wood floors, or patronize finantial planners... They but pizza's and go to bars. Conservatives have more disposable income (you can't argue with hard facts... this is true nation wide. run of the mill Repubs have more then Dems, straight up) and are willing to spend it on products because they believe in this country and don't lament private buisness like many libs do!
----------------------------------------------------
>
> > the audience isn't the same, and MOST
> > buisness owners who WOULD advertize are conservative, even
>
> > in this town!
>
> De minimus, even if it wasn't wrong. If you really think
> that businessmen anywhere, let alone here, tailor their
> advertising based on their own personal political views,
> you're crazy.
---------------
AHEM (cough) Matress warehouse, original mattress factory, Jack matia(spelling?) Chevy, General Steel, Bellawood, Bills Khacki's (spelling?)etc. They all hand pick the audience they want to advertize too. They pick a conservative audience because they HAVE MONEY to spend!!! It may or may not be their own personal views, but as many liberal buisness owners as you can think of that advertize across the board, I can think of just as many company owners that WON'T advertize on lib talk stations because of their beliefs. In fact, the Christian Buissnes Owners Coalition won't advertize AT ALL on a liberal talk station, OR a lib talk show.
Progressive Insurance is run/owned by the
> aforementioned Lewis. He's a frustrated hippie lib and a
> main financial supporter of MoveOn.org and some of the more
> extreme liberal political organizations in America. Know
> where I hear Progressive commercials? In the middle of the
> Limbaugh show. Know why? Because people listen to
> Limbaugh, and when people listening hear about saving on car
> insurance, they buy car insurance. They don't investigate
> the company's political proclivities normally. I knew about
> Progressive's owners' politics, but know who my insurance
> carrier is? Yep.
_________________________
And that's fine, but you'll hear a disproportionate number of lib buisnesses on conservative stations as opposed to conservative buisnesses on lib talk stations. Why don't lib talk stations make money? Ahem, 1350...
--------------------------------------------------------
>
> > They don't care about ratings in the mid
> > morning time slot, (they've dropped to around a 6 share in
>
> > their own demo!) they care about money. First of all,
> Glenn
> > Beck has verry little room for local spots, as little as 6
>
> > mins an hour. Springer has only 1 or 2 mins of network
> > spots in his show per break! MUCH more room for local
> > spots!
> >
> > So, if you look at it from a PD standpoint there are alot
> of
> > potential gains from switching to springer... but...
> > unfortunately springer is an idiot and his radio show is
> > un-entertaining.
>
> Yes, but that was known before they put him on the air.
> EVERYONE on this board questioned the Springer pick. But
> the potential gains of a new audience are negated by the
> bookend programming, the status of the host, and the
> proclivity for long term placement in the schedule (I tend
> to think that Clear Channel was stroking Springer's ego and
> that Springer wanted to use the show as an appendage of his
> statewide campaign, which died on the vine).
If you think CC Cleveland cares ONE BIT about ANYTHING but making money you're crazy. They don't care about Springer's campaign, they want MONEY. I'm tired of hearing about the CC conspiricy, it's insane. They've tapped a powerfull market, and they go with it. You don't hear anything about Google being a big evil liberal monster! I mean, look, if Lib talk made money it'd be everywhere just like conservatalkers.
~me
>