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OMW: Springer canned from WTAM!

> > Look,
> >
> > What MANY of you fail to realize is that the move to
> > springer wasn't about poor ratings or programing from
> Glenn
> > Beck. It was PURELY a revenue decision. Cleveland is an
> > extremely liberal town,
>
> The city, yes. Inner suburbs, a little bit. The metro as a
> whole--not so much. Not really conservative either. But
> it's not liberal central.
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But CLEVELAND's DEMO is Liberal. Remember, they only care about who has the booklets... And odds are, they're more lib then conservative. This city is one of the most liberal mid market cities, even more then detroit! The voting records prove it, it's not debatable.
>
> > and with WHK on the scene stealing
> > conservitalker revenue from TAM,
>
> I've got an idea who this is. I've thought it for a while.
> But, the profile throws me for a loop. Still, I dunno.
> Ghost of Luczak hangs in the air.
>
> And just think--talking more about WHK may very well get ONE
> person here listening to your station. That's a 100%
> increase! Bravo...spill the wine.
>
> > CC decided that the market
> > for conservative talk was tapped. So, in a "brilliant"
> > move, they decided to tap the untapped lib talk market!...
>
> > Well... Didn't go so well did it...?
>
> Not really, no. Could be the host; could be liberal talk
> radio as a genre. We don't know.
>
> > That's because libs
> > don't spend money,
>
> Tell that to George Soros, Peter B. Lewis, Laurie David, and
> the posters on DailyKos--and to Sherrod Brown's supporters.

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True, but the run-of-the-mill Dem doesn't go out and buy hard wood floors, or patronize finantial planners... They but pizza's and go to bars. Conservatives have more disposable income (you can't argue with hard facts... this is true nation wide. run of the mill Repubs have more then Dems, straight up) and are willing to spend it on products because they believe in this country and don't lament private buisness like many libs do!
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>
> > the audience isn't the same, and MOST
> > buisness owners who WOULD advertize are conservative, even
>
> > in this town!
>
> De minimus, even if it wasn't wrong. If you really think
> that businessmen anywhere, let alone here, tailor their
> advertising based on their own personal political views,
> you're crazy.
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AHEM (cough) Matress warehouse, original mattress factory, Jack matia(spelling?) Chevy, General Steel, Bellawood, Bills Khacki's (spelling?)etc. They all hand pick the audience they want to advertize too. They pick a conservative audience because they HAVE MONEY to spend!!! It may or may not be their own personal views, but as many liberal buisness owners as you can think of that advertize across the board, I can think of just as many company owners that WON'T advertize on lib talk stations because of their beliefs. In fact, the Christian Buissnes Owners Coalition won't advertize AT ALL on a liberal talk station, OR a lib talk show.

Progressive Insurance is run/owned by the
> aforementioned Lewis. He's a frustrated hippie lib and a
> main financial supporter of MoveOn.org and some of the more
> extreme liberal political organizations in America. Know
> where I hear Progressive commercials? In the middle of the
> Limbaugh show. Know why? Because people listen to
> Limbaugh, and when people listening hear about saving on car
> insurance, they buy car insurance. They don't investigate
> the company's political proclivities normally. I knew about
> Progressive's owners' politics, but know who my insurance
> carrier is? Yep.

_________________________

And that's fine, but you'll hear a disproportionate number of lib buisnesses on conservative stations as opposed to conservative buisnesses on lib talk stations. Why don't lib talk stations make money? Ahem, 1350...
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>
> > They don't care about ratings in the mid
> > morning time slot, (they've dropped to around a 6 share in
>
> > their own demo!) they care about money. First of all,
> Glenn
> > Beck has verry little room for local spots, as little as 6
>
> > mins an hour. Springer has only 1 or 2 mins of network
> > spots in his show per break! MUCH more room for local
> > spots!
> >
> > So, if you look at it from a PD standpoint there are alot
> of
> > potential gains from switching to springer... but...
> > unfortunately springer is an idiot and his radio show is
> > un-entertaining.
>
> Yes, but that was known before they put him on the air.
> EVERYONE on this board questioned the Springer pick. But
> the potential gains of a new audience are negated by the
> bookend programming, the status of the host, and the
> proclivity for long term placement in the schedule (I tend
> to think that Clear Channel was stroking Springer's ego and
> that Springer wanted to use the show as an appendage of his
> statewide campaign, which died on the vine).

If you think CC Cleveland cares ONE BIT about ANYTHING but making money you're crazy. They don't care about Springer's campaign, they want MONEY. I'm tired of hearing about the CC conspiricy, it's insane. They've tapped a powerfull market, and they go with it. You don't hear anything about Google being a big evil liberal monster! I mean, look, if Lib talk made money it'd be everywhere just like conservatalkers.

~me
>
 
> > Look,
> >
> > What MANY of you fail to realize is that the move to
> > springer wasn't about poor ratings or programing from
> Glenn
> > Beck. It was PURELY a revenue decision. Cleveland is an
> > extremely liberal town, and with WHK on the scene stealing
>
> > conservitalker revenue from TAM, CC decided that the
> market
> > for conservative talk was tapped.
>
>
> WHK stealing revenue? You really think so? They have no
> ratings, and I don't hear many local advertizers. Those few
> that I hear seem to be package deals with The Fish.

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They are. They don't have GREAT ratings, but for a small AM station competing with an AM GIANT like TAM, they're doing ok. You've got to remember, WHK has a niche demo. The "finantialy minded wealthy conservative buisnessman".(which btw is stealing listeners from TAM because Rush is tired, Springer is insane, and Triv is an idiot) They have that demo locked up. Salem is a company of niches! All their stations appeal to groups of people beyond just 25-54 M. If you want to advertize to buisnessmen, do it on WHK. I made this point in another post... Don't want to rehash it now.
>
>
> So, in a "brilliant"
> > move, they decided to tap the untapped lib talk market!...
>
> > Well... Didn't go so well did it...? That's because libs
>
> > don't spend money,
>
>
> Libs don't spend money? HUH??? What?
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Read my other post for an explanation of this comment, it's above this one...
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>
>
> the audience isn't the same, and MOST
> > buisness owners who WOULD advertize are conservative, even
>
> > in this town!
>
> Advertizing does not work that way. There are three reasons
> why most people advertize: ratings, ratings and ratings.
> The only thing they look at is demos.
> You really think Giant Eagle cares about the political bent
> of their shoppers?

No, but finantial planners do, so do car dealers, so do "I'm an american buisness for the american person blah blah blah" type buisnesses.
>
>
> They don't care about ratings in the mid
> > morning time slot, (they've dropped to around a 6 share in
>
> > their own demo!) they care about money. First of all,
> Glenn
> > Beck has verry little room for local spots, as little as 6
>
> > mins an hour. Springer has only 1 or 2 mins of network
> > spots in his show per break! MUCH more room for local
> > spots!
> >
> > So, if you look at it from a PD standpoint there are alot
> of
> > potential gains from switching to springer... but...
> > unfortunately springer is an idiot and his radio show is
> > un-entertaining.
> >
> > Let me know what you all think!
> >
> > ~Me
> >
>
>
> By the way, I just love the term "Libs" (popularized by the
> ever-cute Rush Limbaugh). Does that mean a conservative is
> a "con"? Just asking.

lol


>
> I think that part of it might be the nature of the listeners
> from each side of the political spectrum.
>
> NPR, called by some a "Liberal Service", is actually pretty
> balanced. They generally have a representative from both
> sides on every issue piece. But it is a good thing that they
> are on public radio to a smaller, more savvy audience,
> because as a mass-service, articulate presentations which
> show both sides don't have enough fireworks to create
> ratings.

Ahem, The CPN listener either listens to CPN or Howard Stern, according to the CPN Board of Directors. VERRRRRYYY Savvy don'tcha think!


The mass audience wants eveything to be a simple
> blood sport, so--commercially--it is better to just have a
> "pit bull" on the air throwing stones, with easily defined
> "good guys" and "bad guys".
>
> The model seems more natural to the right wing, which some
> say is based on exclusion. When the Liberals--who are always
> trying be inclusive of everybody and everything (to the
> point of often being ridiculous)-- try a "blood sport"
> approach on AM talk radio, it does not come off.
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Well, no, it doesn't work because Libs (lol) critisize AMERICA, and no one, not even the MOST leftist buisness owner wants to advertize with a guy that hates america! Cons have shows that promote patriotism and american buisness, libs SAY they do, but lets be honest here... They're all crazy.
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>
> I know many "Liberals" who may agree with Randy Rhodes, for
> example, but can't stand the presentation (yelling, sweeping
> generalities, demonizing, etc). For some reason (I don't
> know why) the right wing is less hung up on such things when
> it comes to AM talk radio, as evidenced by the ratings of
> Rush and Hannity, who demonize Liberals literally every
> single minute of their shows.

case in point, people love to hate other people... If there's an enemy most people will do anything to destroy them. Libs are seen as the enemy.
>
> That is really the only explaination that I can give you.
> The dominance of conservative (is Bush really a
> conservative, by the way?) talk radio does not match the
> political fabric of the nation, which is about 50-50.

No, he's not a conservative AT ALL!
RIGHT ON!

Late!
>
 
> True, but the run-of-the-mill Dem doesn't go out and buy
> hard wood floors, or patronize finantial planners... They
> but pizza's and go to bars. Conservatives have more
> disposable income (you can't argue with hard facts... this
> is true nation wide. run of the mill Repubs have more then
> Dems, straight up) and are willing to spend it on products
> because they believe in this country and don't lament
> private buisness like many libs do!


What the hell are you talking about and where the hell are you getting such ridiculous stereotypes and "facts"? The Rush Limbaugh Show? "Libs don't buy hardwood floors". I supposed the next thing you'll say is that all Libs are too busy drinking their lattes, while driving their foreign cars, listening to folks songs while trying to figure out what pair of moccasins to wear that day. They opt to hand build their espresso machines because they don't want to pay money to a big appliance making corporation. What a bunch of nonesense you spew. You are a shill for the BS peddlers if you fall for any of this kindergarden analysis.
> ----------------------------------------------------
> >
> > > the audience isn't the same, and MOST
> > > buisness owners who WOULD advertize are conservative,
> even
> >
> > > in this town!


Please list, for my poor uninformed self, those businesses who are "conservative" and those who are "liberal". Although there may be an occasional business which comes down with a political statement, I am willing to bet you that 95% buy ratings ratings ratings.

Most Americans consider themselves "moderates". They may vote for someone somewhat left or someone somewhat right depending on a number of different factors. The a**hole second-rate actors and actresses who pass themselves off as radio talk show hosts want to make you believe that everyone is either a "lib" or a "con" because it is in their best interests to (listen closely) polarize and demonize so that they can rile people up, sell subscriptions to their websites, attract attention and ratings.

Here, I'll give you another tip: TV wrestling isn't real. The bad-guy isn't really a bad guy. The good guy isn't really a good guy. It is done this way
to boil everything down to primal levels for pinheads.

Don't be one.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by HHH on 03/17/06 12:51 PM.</FONT></P>
 
> Well, no, it doesn't work because Libs (lol) critisize
> AMERICA, and no one, not even the MOST leftist buisness
> owner wants to advertize with a guy that hates america!
> Cons have shows that promote patriotism and american
> buisness, libs SAY they do, but lets be honest here...
> They're all crazy.

Looks like you drank the Kool Aid.

No sense in having any discussion with you if you say things like that. Just keep saying "Megga Dittos". It is so much easier than making your own judgements on individual issues and circumstances. You wouldn't want to criticize anything the government does, and be accused of "hating America", now would you?

<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by HHH on 03/17/06 01:14 PM.</FONT></P>
 
> > True, but the run-of-the-mill Dem doesn't go out and buy
> > hard wood floors, or patronize finantial planners... They
>
> > but pizza's and go to bars. Conservatives have more
> > disposable income (you can't argue with hard facts...
> this
> > is true nation wide. run of the mill Repubs have more
> then
> > Dems, straight up) and are willing to spend it on products
>
> > because they believe in this country and don't lament
> > private buisness like many libs do!
>
>
> What the hell are you talking about and where the hell are
> you getting such ridiculous stereotypes and "facts"? The
> Rush Limbaugh Show? I supposed the next thing you'll say is
> that all Libs are too busy drinking their lattes, while
> driving their foreign cars, listening to folks songs while
> trying to figure out what pair of moccasins to wear that
> day. They opt to hand build their espresso machines because
> they don't want to pay money to a big appliance making
> corporation. What a bunch of nonesense you spew. You are
> a shill for the BS peddlers if you fall for any of this
> kindergarden analysis.

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First of all, I am a talk show host on a local station here in Ohio. I won't say which one or who I am for my own sake. I do nothing BUT analize this kind of stuff:

Disadvantaged Democrats are largely defined by their feelings of financial stress. More than three-quarters of this group (77%) say they often do not have enough money to make ends meet; just 19% say paying the bills is generally not a problem. Financial unease is not nearly as extensive among Pro-Government Conservatives; roughly two-thirds (68%) report that they have no problems making ends meet.

For the most part, paying the bills is not a problem for those in the financially well-off groups ­ Conservative Enterprisers, and Wealthy Liberals. Most Social Conservatives, whose annual incomes are significantly less than in these other conservative groups, also report few problems making ends meet. Nearly nine-in-ten Social Conservatives (88%) say that paying the bills is generally not a problem.

Among Disadvantaged Democrats(low income, union, etc.), many more have also had personal experience with unemployment than in other groups. More than half of Disadvantaged Democrats (58%) say they, or someone in their household, have been out of work in the past year.

Conservatives and Liberals have the same proportion of high-income individuals. But Conservatives are much more likely than Liberals or any other group ­to invest in the stock market or own a small business.

More than half of Conservative Enterprisers (53%) say they trade stocks and bonds in the market. That is the highest percentage among typology groups; about four-in-ten high income Liberals (38%) say they are active in the market. Trading stocks and bonds is far less common in the lower-income groups: Just 11% of low income liberals say they trade stocks and bonds.

Three-in-ten Conservative Enterprisers own small businesses, more than any other group in the typology.

I can continue... Should I? I think I've made my point.

I can go into the difference in income and disposable income, and who has it (cons) and who doesn't (libs).

I can talk about how conservative listeners have much more buying power then liberal listeners. But I think you understand now that I know what I'm talking about.

Also, funny comment about WWE, with a name like Tripple H I thought you would be a fan!

A moderate is a coward, unable to stand up for what he believes in, or even articulate it properly.

You're right about talk show hosts, it's our job to engage people's emotions.

The difference between people who lean conservative and people who lean liberal is that conservatives believe in hard fast core values, and libs don't. Libs believe that all rules can be bent, and new ones can be created on a whim. Cons believe that there are certain rules and codes which should not be breached.

Agree?

Well, if not I can back up my statements about that too...

~Me


> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > > the audience isn't the same, and MOST
> > > > buisness owners who WOULD advertize are conservative,
> > even
> > >
> > > > in this town!
>
>
> Please list, for my poor uninformed self, those businesses
> who are "conservative" and those who are "liberal".
> Although there may be an occasional business which comes
> down with a political statement, I am willing to bet you
> that 95% buy ratings ratings ratings.
>
> Most Americans consider themselves "moderates". They may
> vote for someone somewhat left or someone somewhat right
> depending on a number of different factors. You and the
> a**hole second-rate actors and actresses who pass themselves
> off as radio talk show hosts want to make you believe that
> everyone is either a "lib" or a "con" because it is in their
> best interests to (listen closely) polarize and demonize so
> that they can rile people up, sell subscriptions to their
> websites, attract attention and ratings.
>
> Here, I'll give you another tip: TV wrestling isn't real.
> The bad-guy isn't really a bad guy. The good guy isn't
> really a good guy. It is done this way
> to boil everything down to primal levels for pinheads.
>
> Don't be one.
>
 
> A moderate is a coward, unable to stand up for what he
> believes in, or even articulate it properly.


That's funny. I thought that moderates on both sides of the aisle were the ones who actually got things accomplished when they got together, while their extremist colleagues were demonizing each other to solidify their political base for the next election.


>
> You're right about talk show hosts, it's our job to engage
> people's emotions.

It is your job to get ratings by any means possible, and the easiest way is to "demonize" your "opponents" with as broad a brush possible with no nuance and measure. You do this to solidify your base for political--or in your case, ratings--reasons. It's fine, just say it, for God's sake. There is no shame in
doing shtick.

>
> The difference between people who lean conservative and
> people who lean liberal is that conservatives believe in
> hard fast core values, and libs don't. Libs believe that
> all rules can be bent, and new ones can be created on a
> whim. Cons believe that there are certain rules and codes
> which should not be breached.
>
> Agree?
>

Oh brother. It's that simple, eh?

There are crooks on both sides of the aisle, and if you look at the historical,
neither party has a lock on morality.

How about Tom DeLay:

Promised a role in drafting legislation to a corporate donor
Tried to coerce a Congressman for a vote on Medicare
Allegedly used corporate money given to his PAC to finance Texas campaigns in violation of state law
Used Homeland Security resources in a dispute with Democrats in Texas
Diverted funds from a children's charity for lavish celebrations at the Republican convention
Threatened retaliation against interest groups that don't support Republicans
Stacked the House Ethics committee with representatives who have contributed to his legal defense fund
Accepted trips from corporations and later helped kill legislation they opposed
Accepted trips from the lobbyist for a foreign government in violation of House rules
Crippled the effectiveness of the House Ethics Committee by purging members who had rebuked him
Pushed for a rules change for the House Ethics process that paralyzed the panel
Sought a rule change that would have no longer "required leaders to step aside temporarily if indicted"
Paid family members more than $500,000 out of campaign contributions


You are in the oversimplification business called talk radio. You probably do your shtick well. But don't try to convince me to drink either red or blue Kool Aid. I am not ready to check my brain at the door, yet. <P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by HHH on 03/17/06 02:14 PM.</FONT></P>
 
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