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Open NYC Area Frequencies

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XCountry285

Put Country & KRock on one of these or just simulcast HD-2 stations on them!
95.1-why not put a market signal to cover from NYC to West Milford-Vernon Area?
94.3
97.5
103.1
107.9
 
I don't think 107.9 would work since WEBE puts a pretty good signal into NYC. WEBE had a great signal in my part of NJ until that frequency was taken over by a pirate a few months ago.
 
Forget 97.5! You've got WALK-FM on Long Island, a huge signal on 97.5, and Philly move-in WPEN-FM on 97.5. No room for anything else in the NY area on 97.5 FM.

94.3 and 103.1 are class As. There are stations on LI and NJ using those frequencies. :)
 
97.5 and 107.9 would be good frequencies for flea power translators in north Jersey. They're already used by pirates.
 
There is a flea-powered 35W signal on 103.1 in Fort Lee, which barely makes it to my side of the Lincoln Tunnel. Don't know if that would be a factor.
 
XCountry285 said:
what about 94.3 and 95.1?
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Feel free to add any other local stations to this list:

currently on 94.3: WIGX Smithtown, NY & WJLK Asbury Park, NJ
currently on 95.1: WRKI Richfield-Danbury, CT & WAYV Atlantic City, NJ
 
I would assume that a large number of broadcast investors look upon NYC as a really desirable market to own a station. If they got it, they might find it tough to operate it profitably but that is another topic. To build a new FM station in NYC, operate it for a little while, and then sell it and make the BIG BUCKS has to be a more lusted after thing than building in Pittsburgh or building in Little Rock or building in Savannah.

If any of the frequencies you mentioned met the FCC requirments.... I think you can sleep well tonight knowing that it would long ago have been applied for and built. The "Big Money Boys" don't post a what-if on R-I. They call up their consulting engineer and have him make the search. Then they shrug their shoulders, write to check to pay his fee, and giggle and announce: Oh well, I would have lost more than that if I had gone to Atlantic City for the weekend.
 
How does a new station be put onto the air at a new frequency not yet in that market then?
Also What about?
95.9?
Also for 94.3-94.3 The Wolf in Hudson Valley
107.9-WKRF-FM Tobyhanna, PA
95.1-WZZO-FM Bethlehem, PA
 
From NYC, Nearby stations on 95.9 include:

WRAT in Belmar NJ (Class A - 40 miles south)
WFOX in Norwalk/Stamford CT (Class A - 40 Miles NE)
WVOS in Monticello NY (Class A - 80 Miles NW)
 
XCountry285 said:
How does a new station be put onto the air at a new frequency not yet in that market then?
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You can't, there are no usable new frequencies not yet in that market.

- Frequencies below 92MHz: not usable for commercial stations. (WNYZ 87.9 is not a radio station,* so the non-commercial limitation doesn't apply)
- 92.3/93.1/93.9/94.7/95.5/96.3/97.1/97.9/98.7/99.5/100.3/101.1/101.9/102.7/103.5/104.3/105.1/105.9/106.7/107.5: not usable at any site within 143km of the Empire State Building. (or the Newark site of 94.7)
- Frequencies adjacent to the above: (92.1/92.5/92.9/93.3/93.7/94.1/etc...) not usable at any site within 96km of the Empire State Building.
- The protected coverage area of a Class B station (most powerful station possible in the Northeast) is 65km.
- Thus, any station on 92.1/92.3/92.5/92.9/93.1/93.3/... above cannot provide an interference-protected signal to NYC, it would have to be too far away.

- 92.7/93.5/94.3/95.9/96.7/98.3/102.3/103.1/103.9/105.5/106.3/107.1: Must be at least 92km away from the nearest other station on the same frequency.
- 95.1/97.5/99.1/99.9/100.7/101.5/104.7/107.9: Must be at least 143km away from the nearest other station on the same frequency.

These frequencies are off-limits for at least the reasons listed below:
92.7: WQBU Garden City (23km away)
93.5: WVIP New Rochelle (17km)
94.3: WJLK Asbury Park (58km)
95.1: WRKI Brookfield (95km) (Class B station, 143km separation required)
95.9; WFOX Norwalk (62km)
96.7: WCTZ Port Chester (25km)
97.5: WALK-FM Patchogue (81km) (Class B station, 143km separation required)
98.3: WMGQ New Brunswick (52km)
99.1: WAWZ Zarephath, NJ (52km) (Class B station, 143km separation required)
99.9: WEZN-FM Bridgeport (89km) (Class B station, 143km separation required)
100.7: WHUD Peekskill (66km) (Class B station, 143km separation required)
101.5: WKXW Trenton (79km) (Class B station, 143km separation required)
102.3: WSUS Franklin (64km)
103.1: WBZO Bay Shore (65km)
103.9: WFAS-FM Bronxville (17km)
104.7: WSPK Poughkeepsie (82km) (Class B station, 143km separation required)
105.5: WDHA-FM Dover (46km)
106.3: WKMK Eatontown (53km)
107.1: WXPK Briarcliff Manor (40km)
107.9: WEBE Westport (82km) (Class B station, 143km separation required)

(there may be other stations, not listed, that would also preclude the use of the above frequencies. I stopped looking when I found the first limiting facility.)

(for the tech heads: these minimum distance figures are from 73.215, for contour-protected short spacings.)

Anyway, I think I've shown above that there is no unused commercial frequency available for a new station that would provide an interference-protected signal across New York.

The math is a LOT more difficult in the non-commercial band but I think you can reasonably assume there are no available frequencies there either.

Translators are a completely different story.




* officially, WNYZ 87.9 is a low-power *TV* station.
 
w9wi said:
Anyway, I think I've shown above that there is no unused commercial frequency available for a new station that would provide an interference-protected signal across New York.

The math is a LOT more difficult in the non-commercial band but I think you can reasonably assume there are no available frequencies there either.

Translators are a completely different story.
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Yes, due to an act of Congress, translators do not obey the same Laws of Physics as any other transmitter. ???
 
WPHA said:
Yes, due to an act of Congress, translators do not obey the same Laws of Physics as any other transmitter. ???
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True enough, though the limited power allowed also makes a difference.
 
w9wi said:
WPHA said:
Yes, due to an act of Congress, translators do not obey the same Laws of Physics as any other transmitter. ???
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True enough, though the limited power allowed also makes a difference.
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Then how can a 99 watt translator be allocated, but a TEN WATT LPFM cannot? That's why I said that. When one radio station can litter the dial with a half dozen copies of itself (within their primary contour) but a 10 watt LPFM has no place at all available, something is wrong. Very wrong.
 
WPHA said:
Then how can a 99 watt translator be allocated, but a TEN WATT LPFM cannot?
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I don't know the specifics of this exact situation, but there are a couple of possibilities:

Timing. There was an application window open at a time when that channel was available and the translator application was filed at a time when no window was open to file on the same channel for an LPFM.

Third Adjacent Channel. LPFM has been held to a higher standard because congress jumped in and told the FCC how to do their job. Other classes of service could occupy a channel that LPFM could not because of a neighbor 3 channels over. The new law passed last fall gives the FCC the freedom to pitch the 3rd Adjacent Frequency stuff out the window. But there has not been an Application Window yet.

Other people who follow the allocation and interference issues more closely may have additional reasons to share.
 
Your best option is to join in on the Dr. Harold Camping death watch.

When 94.7 becomes available, it will be fun!

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
 
Right, because everybody knows 94.7 (at the very least) isn't going anywhere on May 22. ;D
 
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