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Opie and Anthony Out at WYSP?

DtotheJ: Free Beer and Hot Wings do small to medium sized market radio and do it poorly to boot. I doubt what works in Grand Rapids and HUGE stations like "The Carp" in Eau Claire, Wisconsin has a snowballs chance in hell of working in Philly.
 
Diego2theBay said:
DtotheJ: Free Beer and Hot Wings do small to medium sized market radio and do it poorly to boot. I doubt what works in Grand Rapids and HUGE stations like "The Carp" in Eau Claire, Wisconsin has a snowballs chance in hell of working in Philly.
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Well then, explain that to 'MGK. You gotta wonder if this was their "backup plan" had DeBella not re-upped.
 
D To The J......let go of the balloons and come down to earth please!

This WAS a discussion about O & A and who would be a replacement.

I think the Kidd move to mornings, O & A replay middays and Couzin Eds' return to afternoon drive (music intense)would be a success. Keep it as local, familiar and entertaining as you can, and you really can win with a rocker.
 
LBoogie said:
OK...let's be honest with ourselves and our opinions here. CBS did not crap the bed. O&A crapped the bed. When you are as far along in this business and your career as they were when sex with sam happened, you know the rules. Whether you agree with them or not is irrelevant. They knew full and well they were breaking FCC rules...probably to be "shocking." All this considered, it is they who let their own fans down by running such a risk that they knew held a consequence of fines and suspensions. If you really break it all down, there is only one direction to point the finger. Give O&A a little faith. They were not so stupid that the consequences never crossed their minds. Blaming CBS for something O&A did and knew before they did it that it was definitely against FCC policy is ingnorance.
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Wait, what? Nothing that aired during Sex For Sam was against FCC "policy". They got canned because of the outrage and backlash from the Catholic League. That show was so tame it could probably air today on K-ROCK unedited.

And that's not even what Rob was talking about in the first place...
 
Archie said:
LBoogie said:
OK...let's be honest with ourselves and our opinions here. CBS did not crap the bed. O&A crapped the bed. When you are as far along in this business and your career as they were when sex with sam happened, you know the rules. Whether you agree with them or not is irrelevant. They knew full and well they were breaking FCC rules...probably to be "shocking." All this considered, it is they who let their own fans down by running such a risk that they knew held a consequence of fines and suspensions. If you really break it all down, there is only one direction to point the finger. Give O&A a little faith. They were not so stupid that the consequences never crossed their minds. Blaming CBS for something O&A did and knew before they did it that it was definitely against FCC policy is ingnorance.
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Wait, what? Nothing that aired during Sex For Sam was against FCC "policy". They got canned because of the outrage and backlash from the Catholic League. That show was so tame it could probably air today on K-ROCK unedited.

The Catholic League backlash was due to the FACT that during Sex For Sam a couple actually had sex on the air (where/church is irrellevant). It is against the law to physically/actually have sex on the radio. Not to mention, O&A KNEW that having a couple go into, not just a church, but one of the most (if not most) famous churches in NYC was way over the line..."shocking"...the whole reason they did it. They, and only they, let their own listeners down by doing something they fully knew would run the risk of getting fined/suspended/fired.
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LBoogie said:
The Catholic League backlash was due to the FACT that during Sex For Sam a couple actually had sex on the air (where/church is irrellevant). It is against the law to physically/actually have sex on the radio. Not to mention, O&A KNEW that having a couple go into, not just a church, but one of the most (if not most) famous churches in NYC was way over the line..."shocking"...the whole reason they did it. They, and only they, let their own listeners down by doing something they fully knew would run the risk of getting fined/suspended/fired.
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Excuse me? The sound of two people having sex is an FCC violation? News to me.

Archie's right. CBS fired O&A because the content was obscene by company standards, not by government standards. There's a big difference.

edit: my bad: there was a fine imposed, but it was not paid. To boot, it was an insignificant fine based on a less-than-concrete charge compared to that of ones previously levied against Howard Stern-- it was hardly the reason why O&A were dismissed.

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA337613.html?display=Washington

edit2: to clarify, the Catholic League threatened WNEW with actions that would include revocation of the station license. O&A were fired to pacify the CL, not the FCC.
 
LBoogie said:
Archie said:
LBoogie said:
OK...let's be honest with ourselves and our opinions here. CBS did not crap the bed. O&A crapped the bed. When you are as far along in this business and your career as they were when sex with sam happened, you know the rules. Whether you agree with them or not is irrelevant. They knew full and well they were breaking FCC rules...probably to be "shocking." All this considered, it is they who let their own fans down by running such a risk that they knew held a consequence of fines and suspensions. If you really break it all down, there is only one direction to point the finger. Give O&A a little faith. They were not so stupid that the consequences never crossed their minds. Blaming CBS for something O&A did and knew before they did it that it was definitely against FCC policy is ingnorance.
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Wait, what? Nothing that aired during Sex For Sam was against FCC "policy". They got canned because of the outrage and backlash from the Catholic League. That show was so tame it could probably air today on K-ROCK unedited.
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The Catholic League backlash was due to the FACT that during Sex For Sam a couple actually had sex on the air (where/church is irrellevant). It is against the law to physically/actually have sex on the radio. Not to mention, O&A KNEW that having a couple go into, not just a church, but one of the most (if not most) famous churches in NYC was way over the line..."shocking"...the whole reason they did it. They, and only they, let their own listeners down by doing something they fully knew would run the risk of getting fined/suspended/fired.
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You really need to work on posting outside the quote tags. (Tag added above after "unedited").
 
The point that's being missed is that this is a post-Janet Jackson CBS. They are scared crapless about receiving another monster fine so the lawyers have stripped O&A down to humor at the lowest common denominator. If that Super Bowl incident never had happened, the O&A show now would have been more like the old NEW show. When the contract is up with CBS, the boys would be smart to just return to XM fulltime. It was a nice run, but terrestrial radio is a shell of its former self. (And, for the record, HD Radio isnt the savior, either)
 
openmike said:
Wexler you can Hmmmmmmmm all you want but I am giving you facts. Plus I am bashing Barsky as well so whatever. CBS should just syndicate Preston & Steve. Oh and since I know more than I should, I know for a FACT CBS inquired about the availability of the Preston & Steve show just a couple of months ago which led WMMR locking them up with a 2 year extension.

Now may I try one please?

"Dead Air ALL MORNING!!! Great Rock & Roll ALL Day!!"
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Facts? Sorry there mike, but you gave opinions. A fact would be how disproportionately the Kidd Chris Show outperforms the rest of that station in the ratings...not that I would listen to that filth...I mean, I once heard of a producer taking it in the...ahhh..."Holland Tunnel"...for money on that show. DISGUSTING! Who would ever lower himself to that level? He's either desperate for money or ratings...or, showed a lack of judgment and is now disgruntled bashing his former show on a message board.
 
Kidd Criss has STATED on the air that he will not do mornings.Remember that wonderful week he did fill in.He hates getting up early.I'd say it does not matter how much cash they throw at him,he will not take it.The guy is happy so to speak where he is now.Don't F it up CBS. 8)
 
ur2 said:
Kidd Criss has STATED on the air that he will not do mornings.Remember that wonderful week he did fill in.He hates getting up early.I'd say it does not matter how much cash they throw at him,he will not take it.The guy is happy so to speak where he is now.Don't F it up CBS. 8)
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I also heard Kidd Chris talk on Free FM a couple months ago about jobs he's had where he had his talk show taken away but was kept on to spin records, and how he would never do that again. And yet, he's doing almost exactly that every day now.

So, in conclusion and in summary, let's take what this blowhard says about his job on the air with a grain of salt. If they're paying him to get up early in the mornings and earn higher ratings, he'll "complain" but he'll do it.
 
Wexler: "A fact would be how disproportionately the Kidd Chris Show outperforms the rest of that station in the ratings." Keep in mind, however true this may be, FACT is his ratings are still only 1/3 of what WYSP had when Couzin Ed was on the air in afternoons playing rock...without the "Holland Tunnel" filth or even constant promotion of the N word.

And, for all those in doubt about Kidd doing mornings, ever think the complaints are just a ruse to get more money when negotiating?
 
the PPM has proven that afternoons is as much a cornerstone as mornings

You can do a "Morning Show" in the afternoons...make your MORNING music intensive, and be successful...just a thought
 
Wexler said:
Facts? Sorry there mike, but you gave opinions. A fact would be how disproportionately the Kidd Chris Show outperforms the rest of that station in the ratings...not that I would listen to that filth...I mean, I once heard of a producer taking it in the...ahhh..."Holland Tunnel"...for money on that show. DISGUSTING! Who would ever lower himself to that level? He's either desperate for money or ratings...or, showed a lack of judgment and is now disgruntled bashing his former show on a message board.
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That "producer" 's name?
Open Mike.

Back on topic, Chris is touting an announcement at 5PM today. While Chris has previously said that they "couldn't put enough zeros" onto his paycheck to get him in mornings, recently, he's been saying about how all this is just rumor and how nobody at the station has talked to him about anything. Most likely, Chirs will be heading to mornings in the future. But I dont know about WYSP dumping O&A. Isnt Philly around their second biggest market? I'm thinking tape delay, and if not, back to XM exclusivity (which IMHO is better for them anyway) with their troubles here, detroit, chicago, and west palm beach.
 
I bet it doesn't happen till O & A's contract is up. Kidd Chris is right when he said yesterday that no one on these boards knows what's in store. It's all speculation.
 
Starscream said:
The audience is cannibalized. O&A should either be on satellite only or regular radio only.
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I don't think there are enough XM listeners in Philadelphia (or any single city) to affect the terrestrial ratings.
 
Come on people think. Altough not impossible (with CBS), this whole thing is very unlikely to happen in the coming weeks. Here's why. YSP currently has a TV ad blizts inplace. You know, to let people know the music is back, and hopefully bring back some of the old listeners. However, and here is why YSP is probably not planing any lineup changes at the moment,...the ad consists with them saying the music is back, followed by "O&A mornings - Kidd Chris afternoons".

Now, just like with the OGL flip rumors a year ago, when OGL was doing a advetising blizts. The first thing stations normally do when a big change such as a format flip, or a lineup change happens, is they suspend advertising, or in this case, don't advertise any particular personality at any particular time. YSP is advertising both kidd Chris, and O&A, and both at what time period they're on. Again, i'm not gonna say its impossible, because CBS does some stupid things, but doubtful. Now if the ad was "YSP, with Kidd Chris" that would be something to fo on, because there would be no mention of O&A, nor the time Kidd Chris is on. Alas, that isn't the case.

Now this isn't to say things can't change, but I think its safe to assume, that when they went ahead and commited to advertising that ad, they wern't thinking of moving Chris to mornings in the near future, and if they do, the first thing they probably would do is edit the ad to say as I mentioned above "YSP, with Kidd Chris" alone, followed by another edit once the move happened to "YSP, with Kidd Chris mornings", or temporary suspend the ads until the move was inplace, so they have more money to promote that aspect of YSP.
 
Irishfl said:
YSP currently has a TV ad blizts inplace.
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that word would be blitz

Irishfl said:
Now, just like with the OGL flip rumors a year ago, when OGL was doing a advetising blizts.
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Advertising BLITZ ... granted, it's derived from German (Blitzkrieg) but, ever watch a football game before?
 
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