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pathetic tampa radio

fisher files? give me a break.
they must pay him less than minimum wage to keep him on the air. empty words and a true waste of air time

ruth was entertaining and different from all the rest of the fishing and home improvement and vitamin and fund shows saturday mornings.

and what in the heck are they laughing at on am tampa bay? they laugh at mchenry who is not funny. jack harris thinks he's funny but has the mind of an 80 year old. doesnt get most of what is said to him and laughs

speaking of mchenry...does he have a clue about traffic? apparently he doesn't look at traffic cams or internet reports and just guesses/or makes stuff up.

canned reports on other stations reporting an accident for 3 hours which wasn't there or has been out of the way or gone in 15 minutes
radio in tampa REALLY has gone so far downhill the past few years its pathetic
 
Sorry to see that radio apparently has dropped off so badly there. Tampa has its critics but I have found it to be a beautiful city in many places. I would have thought good radio talent (and programmers) would make a home there. What would you change about the radio stations? Is Tampa a decent talk market?
 
radio-a-rama said:
Is Tampa a decent talk market?
Not any more. It's a pretty weak talk market, though some stations are improving on this (Dro Silva, WWBA-1040).

The leading NT station airs all national shows outside of a.m. drive. There isn't one daily local call-in show.
The few local shows it has are on the weekends, and it has even cut back on those, filling time with syndicated shows.

The other leading talk station, WWBA, which used to be all syndicated outside of a.m. drive, has now added local programming in the a.m. and late at night. 1040 is syndicated beginning at noon to 9:00 p.m. Then it's local 9-11 p.m. Then back to syndication until 6 a.m.

That's better than WFLA, which is syndicated from 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 a.m.

860 AM, the other talk station, is entirely syndicated with Salem shows.
 
Wow! What is a great talk market? I have listened to talk stations all over the country. IMHO Tampa is similar to most (not all) other markets. The syndicated shows are replacing the local talkers, and format flopping is common for the stations not at the top. We have lots of options today with satellite radios, internet streaming, podcasts, and my favorite option is just turn it off if you don't like it.
 
Wow! What is a great talk market?

What is a great talk market?

Tampa 20-some odd years ago was one. Two all-local all-day stations slugging it out for listeners, along with a 24/7 talk network (Sun Radio Network). Total talk shares were higher then than now.

Miami 25-some years ago even better. Three or four stations with talk or a mix of news talk, double digit shares.

St. Louis would probably qualify as a better talk market today -- the top two AM talkers are mostly local, there's also an FM talker.
 
smedge2006 said:
Wow! What is a great talk market?
Tampa 20-some odd years ago was one. Two all-local all-day stations slugging it out for listeners, along with a 24/7 talk network (Sun Radio Network). Total talk shares were higher then than now.

Considering every other FM station on the dial was essentially not receivable in Tampa 20 years ago and with 100% more radio signals on FM alone combined with more diverse formats, everything has lower shares than it did 20 years ago.
 
Right Randy, but ya gotta admit..the days with two (or even three considering the ill-fated WNSI) talk stations made listening a lot more interesting..but then again radio over all was much more compelling than it is these days...and probably because there were not as many signals granted..however it just seems that the industry has settled into survival mode rather than excelling at producing more varied product pn a local level. And that, it seems is what the local stations should be doing to combat the growing popularity of other mediums.

It just seems that many local stations have either given up, or are only doing the company's bare minimum to keep operating. Is that the way you are seeing this? Is it that so many corporations are trying to push thier ersatz syndicated shows..that they are eating up all the locally available airtime?

Just curious. Hey are you going to Austin? Let's grab some BBQ at IronWorks
 
Kabrich said:
smedge2006 said:
Wow! What is a great talk market?
Tampa 20-some odd years ago was one. Two all-local all-day stations slugging it out for listeners, along with a 24/7 talk network (Sun Radio Network). Total talk shares were higher then than now.

Considering every other FM station on the dial was essentially not receivable in Tampa 20 years ago and with 100% more radio signals on FM alone combined with more diverse formats, everything has lower shares than it did 20 years ago.



Randy Kabrick! I haven't heard your name in years and I'm trying to remember where I know you from??? Brevard County, JAX, Gainesville, Winston Salem, Greensboro, orlando?? Help me out here Got OFD/CRS!
 
Rants about Jeff Fisher aside - and despite him for that matter.....

The WFLA Morning show I think is one of the better ones in the country. Its not easy building a workable and successful morning show, but the talent all work well together and "relate" well with the audience. Jack Harris and Tedd Webb are great market icons. I'm not familiar with Sharon Taylor's history but she's a good fit. The thing is you can feel the passion they have for Tampa Bay. Listeners can relate to that. The topics are on target and they keep the show moving. Personally, I enjoy the rap with Gary McHenry. My suggestion though would be to get to the traffic info first - then the happy talk afterwards.

Too bad that WFLA is so sloppy technically. I am not in Tampa Bay most weekends - but last weekend I was - and the dead air and double audio and overall poor attention to on-air production quality was terrible. And it was disturbing trying to hear Jack Harris on the Saturday version of AM Tampa Bay while Jeff Fisher was talking over Harris' every word.

Calm down Jeff - ya got the job!
 
Jeff Laurence said:
Right Randy, but ya gotta admit..the days with two (or even three considering the ill-fated WNSI) talk stations made listening a lot more interesting..but then again radio over all was much more compelling than it is these days...and probably because there were not as many signals granted..however it just seems that the industry has settled into survival mode rather than excelling at producing more varied product pn a local level. And that, it seems is what the local stations should be doing to combat the growing popularity of other mediums.

It just seems that many local stations have either given up, or are only doing the company's bare minimum to keep operating. Is that the way you are seeing this? Is it that so many corporations are trying to push thier ersatz syndicated shows..that they are eating up all the locally available airtime?

Just curious. Hey are you going to Austin? Let's grab some BBQ at IronWorks

Well, lets see. As I sat in my office Labor Day Weekend 1985 when hurricane elana was blowing in at 4pm, I flipped on the WFLA-AM, the N/T station to find College Football on. Same thing that night as she churned off-shore.

So has radio really changed? I would not know a hurricane was 50 miles offshore then - would not know it today (actually, today, I might have a better chance as MJ would go in and demand to be put on the air).

The talent is better on WFLA today than it was 20 years ago as well. It might not be local, but its better. Yes, they still have issues - but again I believe far too many forget the issues of years ago.

Bottom line 1) The talent isn't there to have great local shows in all markets 2) The Management (Programmers) were never good enough to coach and help talent find their full potential at the local market level 3) Agents got involved and feed so much BS to any talent that would listen that talent quit listening to local management anyway.

Most talent hasn't had the desire to be great. Though MJ has issues that we all know that could make him much better if addressed, he does have that desire to win. How many others have spent that much time towards their show? Will that happen? No, because in the opinion of most, myself included, MJ won't listen to anyone but himself. I was shocked at the number of emails I received the day the numbers came out when Bubba beat him - and that people in his own building thought it was great.

Why did Bubba win? He didn't just come in and think he just had to "show up". He put the time in. He had something to prove.

That's motivation that doesn't come from a paycheck - and both MJ and Bubba have it. Very few others have it today.

If its not that important to the talent, why should it be important to the owners? The old lines I heard for 20 years "we don't want to plan - we want to be spontaneous" was BS then and BS today. It just means "we are lazy".

There is great talent out. It's the people that are willing to get out and work - and know they can always do better.

Problem is, there are less than 100 of them out there - and most cannot be moved from market to market - as there is no market equity in them to justify it.

And besides, as radio has dropped revenue by 3% from 2000, Arbitron has gone up 4% every year - so now Arbitron cost 37% more to a station (and this is pre PPM doubling in price) than it did in 2000.

Where do you think that money came from?

Nights, Overnights, Promotion, Research and Talent.

And when a market goes PPM and Arbitron collects 4% instead of 2% of a station's revenue, where do you think it will also come from then?

So, in my opinion, radio just shifted money around. It took it from Overnights, Nights, Promotions, Research and Talent - sending it in a check to Arbitron instead.

As for Austin, why bother. Just like most conventions - no real need - nothing gets accomplished :)
 
BIG APE said:
Kabrich said:
smedge2006 said:
Wow! What is a great talk market?
Tampa 20-some odd years ago was one. Two all-local all-day stations slugging it out for listeners, along with a 24/7 talk network (Sun Radio Network). Total talk shares were higher then than now.

Considering every other FM station on the dial was essentially not receivable in Tampa 20 years ago and with 100% more radio signals on FM alone combined with more diverse formats, everything has lower shares than it did 20 years ago.


Did you not see this Randy???



Randy Kabrick! I haven't heard your name in years and I'm trying to remember where I know you from??? Brevard County, JAX, Gainesville, Winston Salem, Greensboro, orlando?? Help me out here Got OFD/CRS!
 
Kabrich said:
The talent is better on WFLA today than it was 20 years ago as well. It might not be local, but its better. Yes, they still have issues - but again I believe far too many forget the issues of years ago.

Bottom line 1) The talent isn't there to have great local shows in all markets 2) The Management (Programmers) were never good enough to coach and help talent find their full potential at the local market level 3) Agents got involved and feed so much BS to any talent that would listen that talent quit listening to local management anyway.

Most talent hasn't had the desire to be great.
Gotta disagree.

The way I read it, WFLA's owners ran talent away.

Take Bob Lassiter. No way is that pint-sized mental midget Hannity any better as a host than Lassiter.
From what I have seen online, CC wanted to save money and bring in syndicated programming, thus canning Lassiter's great show.

Tell me Lassiter was axed because he didn't have talent. Tell us another one.

Beck was moved to 9 a.m., thus eliminating any local programming.
P.m. drive was syndicated by another mental midget. And nights are filled with syndication.

Sure makes it much easier to run payroll when you don't have any local talent on the air.
 
Talk isn't the only place 970 has gone downhill. You could build a very good newsroom around the people they've canned or run off in the last few years. Another place they're hurting is in the on air sound. In the 80's and up to the late 90's it was the tightest running station I've ever heard. Now the board ops are so busy "multi-tasking" that the tightness that used to make it stand out is gone. Not to mention the incredible imaging and promo work that Eric Chase and Flounder used to turn out. They've still got good people, the problem is those people are stretched so thin they can't keep up with the workload. 970 WFLA used to be as good a talk station as there was in the country, now it's just another mediocre cookie cutter Clear Channel commodity. Don't blame the people, it's the way of Clear Channel.
 
Don62 said:
Tell me Lassiter was axed because he didn't have talent. Tell us another one.
Lassiter was very talented, and he did a great show during the heyday of Tampa Bay talk radio in the late 1980s, especially as part of the weekday lineup of Gardner & Co., Lionel, Lassiter and Dick Norman.

But Lassiter was axed because he didn't have very good ratings in his second stint at 970. The station was ranked 18th during afternoon drive in the final ratings book before he was let go. (Technically speaking, his contract wasn't renewed. But the end result is the same.)

Lassiter himself said it on the air and on his blog before he died. The listeners changed; he didn't. By and large, today's talk audiences expect "support group" radio -- hosts who think just like them, and say what they want to hear -- rather than hosts who will challenge their listeners and take them outside their comfort zone.

Fact of the matter is, WFLA's ratings have never been better. And its programming has never been worse.

Having been a listener since before the station even flipped to talk -- back when Jack Harris was spinning Maureen McGovern records, Mr. Moose did the time checks and the station had "your jocular crackerjack crack jock, Jack" promos -- it absolutely kills me to say that.

Thank god for satellite radio.
 
Don62 said:
Gotta disagree.

The way I read it, WFLA's owners ran talent away.

oh, you read it somewhere? Interesting -you don't have direct knowledge of the situation?

Don62 said:
Take Bob Lassiter. No way is that pint-sized mental midget Hannity any better as a host than Lassiter.
From what I have seen online, CC wanted to save money and bring in syndicated programming, thus canning Lassiter's great show.

Tell me Lassiter was axed because he didn't have talent. Tell us another one.

Beck was moved to 9 a.m., thus eliminating any local programming.
P.m. drive was syndicated by another mental midget. And nights are filled with syndication.

Sure makes it much easier to run payroll when you don't have any local talent on the air.


Look at Lassiter's numbers. Talent is only in the eyes of the beholder if you cannot get numbers. Or better yet, other than current employees Snitt and Beck, where did ANY of the former WFLA talent pull numbers after they left WFLA?

Just for grins I pulled out the numbers from Spring 1990. In the money demo, P25-54, WFLA-AM was 11th overall, mornings, middays and afternoons. They were 14th at night.

12+ wasn't in single digits either!

Compare that to their performance in the last 5 years.

That speaks volumes.
 
Speaking of Moose the time tone.

If that guy running 1040 was smart he would hit the low class bars and strip clubs in Tampa, pull Moose out of the gutter, sober him up and give him a job on Next.

Jack Harris loves to talk about how great of a guy he is, but when times were tough (The Q105 stint) He dropped Moose like a bad penny.

I want Moose back on Tampa radio. (I am sure he will work cheap)
 
Oh let’s see… Lionel…(WABC) Lassiter (WLS) Al Gardner (The big station in Charlotte) Freddie Merts (working at a gas station in Detroit) Glen Beck (Taking over the world) Chuck Harder (Owned and broadcasted on a few networks with a poop load of affiliates) Jeff Brooks until his death was on a few hundred stations with his “On The Road” show. Jay Marvin (WLS then Denver) Paul Gonzales (Was on about 200 stations for years)

I am sure there is more. Help me…
 
I agree with Kabrich. Revenues are down - costs are up - the ARB raping of radio - it is about survival. The fact that radio IS a business is often ignored. You do what you have to do to stay in business and hopefully make a few bucks profit. I have to wonder what the face of radio will look like 20 years from now. The obstacles are challenging both economically and technologically. Radio will need to be very creative in the future to maintain a solid on-air product. There is only so much that can be cut before you are left with a failed product.

It was so simple when there were only 8-10 stations in a market!
 
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