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Personal Finance Smackdown: Clark Howard vs. Dave Ramsey

I enjoy both programs. They're chock full of great money saving ideas. But, who do you prefer, who has the best shot at being the "Limbaugh" of personal finance on N/T & why?

Do you like Clark Howard with his friendly, but dull delivery? Do you prefer Dave Ramsey with his somewhat "in your face" style, with a Christian lean to it?

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Clark Howard is a bit dry, but has a lot of good info (it was the only radio talk show my somewhat liberal ex-finace and I could agree on). I've only heard Dave Ramsey's short-form program, which is excerpted from his three hour show, and it is a bit in-your-face. We could also open the door to the Dolans if they're still around, Bob Brinker (you know, the liberal talk show host) or the ever popular Bruce Williams.
 
Dave Ramsey has really picked up... a year ago, everyone I talked to agreed he was a nobody outside of Alabama and Tenneesee; how, he's a viable option for non-political talk. Clark Howard is absolutely unlistenable, and outside of Atlanta, where a dead raccoon would get ratings on 'SB, he's a non-entity. Pay no attention to Talkers' ranking of him... ever see how many ads Jones buys for Boortz, Miller, Schultz? Follow the money
 
MarcB said:
I can't stand Dave Ramsey because he's always quoting the bible.

Yeah, we can't have that. ???

I don't care for Dave Ramsey for an entirely different set of reasons. 1) It's a far more simplisitic message, unless it's changed in the last year or so. In every show I've ever listened to he just preaches the gospel of staying debt-free and tells people how to do so. It gets old quickly and if you're already living within your means, what's the point of listening? 2) I've been interested in his tapes for family members who could use the help. So I check his website and his "Financial Peace University" kits start at $139. Just what some poor slob who can't manage his or her money needs: to start off digging the hole deeper by buying overpriced tapes and books.

Clark Howard actually knows far more than the average guy has time to research. I consider myself much more knowledgeable than average about consumer affairs but not even close to Howard's depth of knowledge.
Howard's website is trove of great tips and links. Free.

He's a good guy too. Like a lot of people, his frugality is a game. He can afford to live well and spend a ton. I once heard Neal Boortz razzing him about being a cheapskate and asked him what he did with all the money he saved. Boortz was uncharacteristically silent when Howard gave his answer: "Give it away."
 
Clark Howard by a mile. The guy is a treasure trove of valuable information on many, many things. Ramsey is a one-trick "get out of debt" kind of presentation. By the way, people who complain about Clark's voice are old Program Directors who hired everyone based on pipes. It is about content. Clark's NON-pipe voice actually ads authenticity in my opinion. For what it's worth.
 
Clark by a mile! Clark's a consumer advocate, as to where Dave is a Bible-thumping "get out of debt" advisor. Clark alerts listeners to scams, best long-distance plans, airline ticket prices (primarily for Atlanta only), etc.

The only thing I don't like about Clark Howard is how frugal the guy is. I'm not saying he needs to live lavishly, but live a little. I'm surprised he hadn't said something like "If you forgot to pack your toothbrush, don't go out an buy another toothbrush--use your wife's!" or "Always buy the 2-ply tissue because you can tear off one ply and have a whole new roll of tissue!".

Clark had considered running for mayor of Atlanta. I'm sure the city would've been as fiscally sound as ever.
 
I heard a episode where Clark found out how to make one of his $.17 disposable razors last forever by blow drying it dry after use. Compelling! ;D

But for me, I also prefer Clark.

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I wonder how the price of blades compares to the cost of electricity to run the blow dryer.
 
I lived in Atlanta when Clark came to TV and then radio. His information is good it is just the delivery I have a problem with. Dave Ramsey if you under stand his story you understand where the passion comes from. I do believe his no credit card stance is unrealistic in to day's economy. I say this as a former mortgage broker. The cash buyer is penalized when they go to get a mortgage or finance a car.
 
Ed Furbee said:
I lived in Atlanta when Clark came to TV and then radio. His information is good it is just the delivery I have a problem with. Dave Ramsey if you under stand his story you understand where the passion comes from. I do believe his no credit card stance is unrealistic in to day's economy. I say this as a former mortgage broker. The cash buyer is penalized when they go to get a mortgage or finance a car.

I'm am so sick of blowhard Christians trying to nose their "message of the gospel" in everything they do, especially if they are selling books and tapes just like a chiropractor hawks bottles of liquid vitamins. If I was a program director hired to a news-talk station and Dave Ramsey would be on the air on the first utterance of a Bible tract, I would knock him off the air faster than you could say the station's call letters, and put on Clark. He has a good sense of humor and imparts excellent info and runs a very tight ship. Radio announcers don't need to sound glib like Gary Owens. Just be fluent and be clear and follow through on the program's mission.
 
sdwulfdawg said:
Ed Furbee said:
I lived in Atlanta when Clark came to TV and then radio. His information is good it is just the delivery I have a problem with. Dave Ramsey if you under stand his story you understand where the passion comes from. I do believe his no credit card stance is unrealistic in to day's economy. I say this as a former mortgage broker. The cash buyer is penalized when they go to get a mortgage or finance a car.

I'm am so sick of blowhard Christians trying to nose their "message of the gospel" in everything they do, especially if they are selling books and tapes just like a chiropractor hawks bottles of liquid vitamins. If I was a program director hired to a news-talk station and Dave Ramsey would be on the air on the first utterance of a Bible tract, I would knock him off the air faster than you could say the station's call letters, and put on Clark. He has a good sense of humor and imparts excellent info and runs a very tight ship. Radio announcers don't need to sound glib like Gary Owens. Just be fluent and be clear and follow through on the program's mission.

My reference was to Ramsey losing everything when the notes got called due and like an ex-smoker tends to get over zealous over their past sin. The fact he is a Christian and operated from that perspective (which it would appear you do not care for) is secondary to me in regards to this discussion. We must recognize that everyone has a baseline that they operate from.
 
sdwulfdawg said:
Ed Furbee said:
I lived in Atlanta when Clark came to TV and then radio. His information is good it is just the delivery I have a problem with. Dave Ramsey if you under stand his story you understand where the passion comes from. I do believe his no credit card stance is unrealistic in to day's economy. I say this as a former mortgage broker. The cash buyer is penalized when they go to get a mortgage or finance a car.

I'm am so sick of blowhard Christians trying to nose their "message of the gospel" in everything they do, especially if they are selling books and tapes just like a chiropractor hawks bottles of liquid vitamins. If I was a program director hired to a news-talk station and Dave Ramsey would be on the air on the first utterance of a Bible tract, I would knock him off the air faster than you could say the station's call letters, and put on Clark. He has a good sense of humor and imparts excellent info and runs a very tight ship. Radio announcers don't need to sound glib like Gary Owens. Just be fluent and be clear and follow through on the program's mission.

Good thing you're not a program director...
Radio announcers don't need to sound glib like Gary Owens. Just be fluent and be clear and follow through on the program's mission.
What the crap is this if not Dave Ramsey's show? Fluent? Check. Clear? Check. True to the mission of the show? Check. Why all of the hate for the guy because he's a Christian? That sure as heck is open-minded.
 
Amazing the maroons who think Clark is any less than a spectacular fountain of useful information...just cause he doesn't sound like Joe the Puke Radio.
 
Why all of the hate for the guy because he's a Christian? That sure as heck is open-minded.

A radio show, unless it is on a religious station, should not be used to proselytize a religious viewpoint. I'm not particularly politically correct but I so hate when glazed-over eye Christians "spread the good news" without permission.
 
Late to the party of this thread, but i speak a) as a former major market radio news guy and b) someone who FINALLY got the hang of financial independence from Dave Ramsey.

Face it: Ramsey's message is ignored by most people, evan as most people are quick to lament "how hard it is to get by today on a middle-class income." That's baloney. People can't get by because they ("urinate it") away. Then, they have the temerity to blame the feds, their mayor, their governor. And of course, George Bush.

To my ear, Clark Howard merely teaches the tricks of the consumer trade. How to make two bucks out of one -- and blow them both. Dave Ramsey may be redundant, but he is life changing. I am living proof of that -- after I THOUGHT I knew it all.

Totally debt free and living the good life...and a HUGE fan of Dave Ramsey. .
 
I've never heard Clark Howard, but I like Dave Ramsey.

"In every show I've ever listened to he just preaches the gospel of staying debt-free and tells people how to do so." Reminds me of the story about the new preacher who preached the same sermon the first three Sunday's he was at a new church. When someone asked him why he didn't preach a different sermon, he replied, "You haven't learned that one yet."
 
My objection to Dave Ramsey is that he tells working people that their financial difficulties are their fault and only their fault.

He doesn't acknowledge the 33 years of wage stagnation (with a break in the 90's) for the middle class. (Wage stagnation should be a familiar concept to most of you in the radio business.) He supports structural inequities that make it harder on the paycheck people. He went out of his way to use his show to crusade against Alabama's Amendment One, which would have shifted some of the burden of regressive state taxes from the poorer to the better off. He also opposed an income tax in Tennessee. Both states tax the snot out of sales, including groceries, meaning poor people pay four times the percentage of their income on taxes as do the wealthy. Both states are also bottom of the barrel in education, thanks in part to the tax structure Ramsey loves.

No matter what Ramsey says, a two-paycheck household in most of the markets where his show dominates in the ratings cannot "save" their way to prosperity. And all the while they're scrimping and saving, the rich are buying more opportunities (travel, admission to higher-tier colleges with alumni networks,etc.) that ensure that their children will widen the gap. A study that just came out says it takes at least five generations in America to get from poverty to the upper percentiles. It takes a lot less in most other Western countries.

I'd say that the definition of urinating money away for a working person would be buying anything with "Financial Peace" in the title.
 
>>>My objection to Dave Ramsey is that he tells working people that their financial difficulties are their fault and only their fault.

:::Much of the time (maybe most of the time?) they are!

>>>He doesn't acknowledge the 33 years of wage stagnation (with a break in the 90's) for the middle class. (Wage stagnation should be a familiar concept to most of you in the radio business.)

:::Sorry, but that's a load of horse doo-doo. The typical middle class person in America has 3 TV sets, 2 car payments, a too-high mortgage, maybe an unpaid-for above-ground pool in the backyard, cell phone bills, ipods for the kids, etc. etc.

As Ramsey would say: They spend what they don't have...before they have it. In the process, keeping themselves behind the financial eight-ball. They -- quite typically -- have no one to blame but themselves.

>>>Alabama's Amendment One, which would have shifted some of the burden of regressive state taxes from the poorer to the better off.

:::Oh. So it's my fault that you never made the big bucks in radio?? Come on...


>>>>He also opposed an income tax in Tennessee. Both states tax the snot out of sales, including groceries, meaning poor people pay four times the percentage of their income on taxes as do the wealthy.

:::See above.

>>>>Both states are also bottom of the barrel in education

::::Very often, that's the fault of parents who have little to do with the hands-on of educating their kids. Too busy, I guess, having kids too early -- kids they can't afford so early in their lives.

>>>>No matter what Ramsey says, a two-paycheck household in most of the markets where his show dominates in the ratings cannot "save" their way to prosperity. And all the while they're scrimping and saving, the rich are buying more opportunities (travel, admission to higher-tier colleges with alumni networks,etc.) that ensure that their children will widen the gap. A study that just came out says it takes at least five generations in America to get from poverty to the upper percentiles. It takes a lot less in most other Western countries.

:::povery is real. I hear you. But I thought the subject was the middle class -- and whether they shoot themselves in the foot financially by profligate spending spending spending!


>>>I'd say that the definition of urinating money away for a working person would be buying anything with "Financial Peace" in the title.

It's clear you haven't read the book. Buy Ramsey's package for $139.00. It'll be the best thing you've ever done for your bottom line...and you just may find yourself with less time for your "woe is me" attitude.
 
You said; "A radio show, unless it is on a religious station, should not be used to proselytize a religious viewpoint."
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WHY NOT?
The Dems express their view on LIB Talk, the Repubs have Rush and others. Christianity - or Judaism, or Buddism or whatever is their VIEW> I thought this is America where people were FREE to express their view?

You don't EVER need "permission" to Praise God! Nothing wrong with that!

Praise God!
 
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