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Personalities on Jack Stations

Re: not again!

a) I never called you a "dork"

b) no, Jack is not a hot format because it's for "the purpose of doing things cheaper".

c) If the requests thing isn't that big a deal, why do you constantly bring it
up in ALL-CAPS AND WITH THE F-BOMB?



> > Hey, Yez- we know you hate it that they don't SAY "we'll
> > take your requests"
> > and that you totally don't get the "we play what we want"
> > line (you're the only one at this point). So please, calm
> > down and cool off. We get it.
>
> You mean it's NOT for the purpose of doing things cheaper
> and cheaper and cheaper?
>
> I wouldn't mind hearing a song from three hours in, sooner,
> and I'm not the only one, just the only one with time to
> complain (by some miracle)
> I suggest you respect the fact that I'm refering to the
> exsisting play list, not intending to add a song request
> that's not already there.
> For that, one would be wise to call the music department of
> a station to get the best answer.
> Requesting to hear a song that Jack doesn't play doesn't
> hurt, but at least apon learning they don't play it, I'm not
> the type to bug and bug the dj to look for it. Sorry to hear
> you're not professional enough to deal with those who
> do...the easy way out won't work for ever.
>
> Again, I said IT HELPS to take requests, I never once said
> it drives a station.
> Your level of intelligence failed to understand that.
> Calling me a dork is also not intelligent.
>
>
> > > >
> > > F*** YOU! WE PLAY WHAT WE WANT! TAKE YOUR REQUEST AND GO
>
> > > SHOVE IT UP YOUR ASS!
> > >
> > > Sure as hell feels that way!
> > >
> >
>
 
Re: not again!

> Maybe you could explain to us how, in your opinion, playing
> requests will make a station perform better. I'm pretty
> sure that's what we're failing to understand. I would argue
> til my last breath that playing requests will never have any
> real positive effect on a station. Clearly, you disagree.
> But why do you disagree?
>
Between 10pm and 2am, week nights, if a request is made, and played, the listener will fall asleep listening to their request and wake up to that same station's morning show, instead of the choice down the dial. (works more than you think, but may depend on the market, respectfully.)

Also, Saturday night requests keep a listener tuned in longer. As long as the dj is honest about how long the wait will be, (hopefully within the hour) the listener has less desire to touch the dial, out of fear that he/she will miss his/her song.<P ID="signature">______________
"If you never say NO, How much is your YES worth?"
</P>
 
> > They did hire a new afternoon drive guy, but the station
> is
> > jockless outside of morning and afternoon drive now, and
> > aparantly this is a permanent decision.
> >
> > As for Buffalo NY, that computer in the closet is going to
>
> > stay there, at least until the station is sold.
> >
>
>
> Could it be that things are coming full circle? The old
> WBEN-FM was totally automated well into the 80s and was
> quite successful.
>
Full circle huh, well, that's a good, and highly respected opinion, but also note that it could also be an effort to make Buffalo's Jack apear to be more profitable.
The station is aparantly for sale, along with the other Infinity properties there. The more profitable the Infinity cluster in Buffalo appears to look, the better the chances of a sale taking place.
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</P>
 
Re: not again!

> a) I never called you a "dork"
You refered to those who want requests as being dorks for believing that requests drive a station, when, at least in my case, I'm merely pointing out that it helps.

>
> b) no, Jack is not a hot format because it's for "the
> purpose of doing things cheaper".

Yes, it's the cheapest format to run at the moment...why do you think Buffalo's 92.9, after only 6 months dropped talk, and went Jack?
Simply put, (example only, not true cost, respectfully) instead of costing $1.98 to run, it now only costs 77 cents. Do I dare mention New York?


>
> c) If the requests thing isn't that big a deal, why do you
> constantly bring it
> up in ALL-CAPS AND WITH THE F-BOMB?

It is a big deal! I've already explained numerous times why. (Read below again, for just a few reasons)

> > You mean it's NOT for the purpose of doing things cheaper
> > and cheaper and cheaper?
> >
> > I wouldn't mind hearing a song from three hours in,
> sooner,
> > and I'm not the only one, just the only one with time to
> > complain (by some miracle)
> > I suggest you respect the fact that I'm refering to the
> > exsisting play list, not intending to add a song request
> > that's not already there.
> > For that, one would be wise to call the music department
> of
> > a station to get the best answer.
> > Requesting to hear a song that Jack doesn't play doesn't
> > hurt, but at least apon learning they don't play it, I'm
> not
> > the type to bug and bug the dj to look for it. Sorry to
> hear
> > you're not professional enough to deal with those who
> > do...the easy way out won't work for ever.
> >
> > Again, I said IT HELPS to take requests, I never once said
>
> > it drives a station.
> > Your level of intelligence failed to understand that.
> > Calling me a dork is also not intelligent.
> >
> >
> > > > >
> > > > F*** YOU! WE PLAY WHAT WE WANT! TAKE YOUR REQUEST AND
> GO
> >
> > > > SHOVE IT UP YOUR ASS!
> > > >
> > > > Sure as hell feels that way!
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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"If you never say NO, How much is your YES worth?"
</P>
 
it is not

they dumped talk in Buffaso because it wasn't working. And it is not the 'cheapest' format to run at the moment, in part because of the licensing feels to juse the JACK name and packaging (not to mention the instant loss of revenue
involved with a startup).

No jocks is a BY-PRODUCT of a brand-new, out-of-the-box station (which happens all the time with new launches in all formats) but no personalities is not THE reason to do JACK.



> > b) no, Jack is not a hot format because it's for "the
> > purpose of doing things cheaper".
>
> Yes, it's the cheapest format to run at the moment...why do
> you think Buffalo's 92.9, after only 6 months dropped talk,
> and went Jack?
> Simply put, (example only, not true cost, respectfully)
> instead of costing $1.98 to run, it now only costs 77 cents.
> Do I dare mention New York?
>

> > > > > F*** YOU! WE PLAY WHAT WE WANT! TAKE YOUR REQUEST AND GO SHOVE IT UP YOUR ASS!
> > > > >
> > > > > Sure as hell feels that way!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
 
Re: not again!

he disagrees because he has not a clue about listening patterns. He also can't get it through his thick skull that only about 3% of the cume will ever even call in for a request. It's obvious the cat's not in radio but even worse he/she is somebody who can't be intelligently reasoned with - no explanation will suffice.

> >
> Between 10pm and 2am, week nights, if a request is made, and
> played, the listener will fall asleep listening to their
> request and wake up to that same station's morning show,
> instead of the choice down the dial. (works more than you
> think, but may depend on the market, respectfully.)
>
> Also, Saturday night requests keep a listener tuned in
> longer. As long as the dj is honest about how long the wait
> will be, (hopefully within the hour) the listener has less
> desire to touch the dial, out of fear that he/she will miss
> his/her song.
>
 
Re: not again!

No way, man. Seriously...this will have no lasting effects whatsoever. If it did, everyone would be doing it.

> Between 10pm and 2am, week nights, if a request is made, and
> played, the listener will fall asleep listening to their
> request and wake up to that same station's morning show,
> instead of the choice down the dial. (works more than you
> think, but may depend on the market, respectfully.)
>
> Also, Saturday night requests keep a listener tuned in
> longer. As long as the dj is honest about how long the wait
> will be, (hopefully within the hour) the listener has less
> desire to touch the dial, out of fear that he/she will miss
> his/her song.
>
 
Because of contract requirements, Bob-FM Austin was playing The Lutheran Hour on Sunday mornings for two months into the format.

> drive (albeit only because of contractual requirements).
> <P ID="signature">______________
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Re: Agree completely/Rude Voiceovers

"Bob says,'think how much deeper than ocean would be if there were no sponges.' "

"Bob had a poster of Farah Fawcett in the seventies," Then a wolf whistle.

"Bob plays what he likes, and he thinks you will like it too. Bob-FM."

"Bob liked going to Aquafest, when there was an Aquafest."






> Hopefully Austin's BOB will continue to add live
> personalities (I don't know if they will), but given the
> choice, I really prefer the liners in Austin over those in
> Dallas.
>
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Re: not again!

> he disagrees because he has not a clue about listening
> patterns. He also can't get it through his thick skull that
> only about 3% of the cume will ever even call in for a
> request. It's obvious the cat's not in radio but even worse
> he/she is somebody who can't be intelligently reasoned with
> - no explanation will suffice.

How did you conclude that it's only 3 percent, not five? Next you'll be telling me it's only one percent...wait, are you saying that the percentage of those who call is dropping in cume?...or about the same as it has always been for years?

As for your comment on where I work, Go cool edit pro yourself, ok.
(what? you were expecting something more foul?...sory to disapoint you, but I am more intelligent than you think.)
<P ID="signature">______________
"If you never say NO, How much is your YES worth?"
</P>
 
Re: Agree completely/Rude Voiceovers

> "Bob says,'think how much deeper than ocean would be if
> there were no sponges.' "
>
> "Bob had a poster of Farah Fawcett in the seventies," Then a
> wolf whistle.
>
> "Bob plays what he likes, and he thinks you will like it
> too. Bob-FM."
>
> "Bob liked going to Aquafest, when there was an Aquafest."

Gawd! Thank God for Canada's BOB fm stations! Bob in Ottawa, Winnipeg, and the other Chum owned properties are not like that, and they DO take requests...and the personalities are great! Radio worth modeling after!

There's also a Giant 91.7 in Welland Ontario, (CIXL FM) which recently switched from Country to Variety hits. They sound Amazing, and they take requests!
(for the nooner, at least.)

Giant 91.7 also IMMEDIATELY went to live jocks for morning, mid day, and afternoon drive(vt'd evenings and overnights) after the first wek end of the switch. (that, I will admit, is a rare and pleasant surprise.)

<P ID="signature">______________
"If you never say NO, How much is your YES worth?"
</P>
 
middle-o-nowhere Canada

well, this is huge- they take requests. We gonna have riots of joy in our streets now.
>
> Gawd! Thank God for Canada's BOB fm stations! Bob in Ottawa,
> Winnipeg, and the other Chum owned properties are not like
> that, and they DO take requests...and the personalities are
> great! Radio worth modeling after!
>
> There's also a Giant 91.7 in Welland Ontario, (CIXL FM)
> which recently switched from Country to Variety hits. They
> sound Amazing, and they take requests!
> (for the nooner, at least.)
>
> Giant 91.7 also IMMEDIATELY went to live jocks for morning,
> mid day, and afternoon drive(vt'd evenings and overnights)
> after the first wek end of the switch. (that, I will admit,
> is a rare and pleasant surprise.)
>
 
middle-o-nowhere Canada

well, this is huge- they take requests!

We gonna have riots of joy in our streets now.
>
> Gawd! Thank God for Canada's BOB fm stations! Bob in Ottawa,
> Winnipeg, and the other Chum owned properties are not like
> that, and they DO take requests...and the personalities are
> great! Radio worth modeling after!
>
> There's also a Giant 91.7 in Welland Ontario, (CIXL FM)
> which recently switched from Country to Variety hits. They
> sound Amazing, and they take requests!
 
no conclusion

this isn't my opinion- it's been that way in radio for years. About 3-5%
of the come EVER participates in call-in contests or REQUESTS.


> How did you conclude that it's only 3 percent, not five?
> Next you'll be telling me it's only one percent...wait, are
> you saying that the percentage of those who call is dropping
> in cume?...or about the same as it has always been for
> years?
>
> As for your comment on where I work, Go cool edit pro
> yourself, ok. (what? you were expecting something more foul?...sory to
> disapoint you, but I am more intelligent than you think.)
>
 
Re: middle-o-nowhere Canada?

> well, this is huge- they take requests. We gonna have riots
> of joy in our streets now.

Winnipeg yes. Welland...perhaps...but Ottawa's BOB FM is a far cry from middle of nowhere Canada.

I also thank Mix 999 in "middle of nowhere Canada" Toronto for taking requests Saturday nights. It was sad to see the Mix 999 all request all night go, but automation does it cheaper.<P ID="signature">______________
"If you never say NO, How much is your YES worth?"
</P>
 
Re: no conclusion

> this isn't my opinion- it's been that way in radio for
> years. About 3-5%
> of the come EVER participates in call-in contests or
> REQUESTS.

The standard belief is 5 percent. The problem is that as a result of only having 5 percent, the requests get too repetitive, however, adding them in makes the station sound better than an ipod.

A good radio personality (or, if you prefer, radio announcer) can have lots of fun putting callers on the air for various reasons, along with their request.

With new and creative reasons to call, there's more attention given to the phone, and less attention given to the desire to switch to ipod mode.

I shouldn't have to resort to talk radio to hear someone talk. I happen to enjoy hearing the dj chat in between tunes with the caller.
Magic 102's real Mike Steele was great in the 80's, and today, at least for a Saturday night,
Mix 999's Punch Andrews is the greatest thing radio's got! (and it's LOCAL to Toronto Canada!)
www.Mix999.com/<P ID="signature">______________
"If you never say NO, How much is your YES worth?"
</P>
 
the requests thang

Which is the whole point. Taking requests or saying we take requests is all window dressing, anyway. No disrespect, but you seem really hung up on a station saying on-air "we take requests" (or in Jack's case doing the 'attitude' thing and saying "we don't"). It's a major hang-up that is really a moot point.
JACK won't lose listeners NOT taking requests nor will the gain listeners if they say they do.

Now, if we made a super-concerted effort to become extremely interactive with the audience AND you had the pros to pull it off, it sounds great on-the-air--
no doubt about it.

All that said, you'd still get 5% or less of the cume participating. So, then the point is???
>
> The standard belief is 5 percent. The problem is that as a
> result of only having 5 percent, the requests get too
> repetitive, however, adding them in makes the station sound
> better than an ipod.
>
> A good radio personality (or, if you prefer, radio
> announcer) can have lots of fun putting callers on the air
> for various reasons, along with their request.
>
> With new and creative reasons to call, there's more
> attention given to the phone, and less attention given to
> the desire to switch to ipod mode.
>
> I shouldn't have to resort to talk radio to hear someone
> talk. I happen to enjoy hearing the dj chat in between tunes
> with the caller.
> Magic 102's real Mike Steele was great in the 80's, and
> today, at least for a Saturday night,
> Mix 999's Punch Andrews is the greatest thing radio's got!
> (and it's LOCAL to Toronto Canada!)
> www.Mix999.com/
>
 
Re: the requests thang

> Which is the whole point. Taking requests or saying we take
> requests is all window dressing, anyway. No disrespect, but
> you seem really hung up on a station saying on-air "we take
> requests" (or in Jack's case doing the 'attitude' thing and
> saying "we don't"). It's a major hang-up that is really a
> moot point.
> JACK won't lose listeners NOT taking requests nor will the
> gain listeners if they say they do.
>
> Now, if we made a super-concerted effort to become extremely
> interactive with the audience AND you had the pros to pull
> it off, it sounds great on-the-air--
> no doubt about it.
>
> All that said, you'd still get 5% or less of the cume
> participating. So, then the point is???

The point is, it's NOT an ipod, and that 5 percent has word of mouth power, and there's also a much larger percentage that never calls, but enjoys hearing the dj interact with the caller, expecially if he/she has something funny to say, and sometimes the caller can be funny too.

Some don't call because they're shy, or just don't want to be heard on the radio. What about them?

In Jack's case, the dj can still ask callers to call in and talk about a funny moment or something...but, sadly, it's all about being cheap and not having anyone there instead.

You can't tell me that it isn't, because if it wasn't, there'd still be 10-12 djs at a station, instead of two or three,(if lucky.) and they'd have alot more fun...and I don't just mean the morning show!

It is a clear message that playing what you want is just a way of politly saying that the ipod is your best option, because there won't be anyone at the radio station do do anything different. Lucky for Buffalo, the REAL talk station there isn't owned by the same people who own Jack, so people can now go back and forth between 930 WBEN and their ipod because some clown at Jack forgot to care about personalities, and requests.

<P ID="signature">______________
"If you never say NO, How much is your YES worth?"
</P>
 
Re: the requests thang

This post (and some others in the thread) make it sound like you'd agree that good phoners--regardless of whether the station plays requests [gasp!]--would do the trick? Can we at least agree on that and lay off this ridiculous (and ridiculously long) requests-playing thread?

> The point is, it's NOT an ipod, and that 5 percent has word
> of mouth power, and there's also a much larger percentage
> that never calls, but enjoys hearing the dj interact with
> the caller, expecially if he/she has something funny to say,
> and sometimes the caller can be funny too.
>
> Some don't call because they're shy, or just don't want to
> be heard on the radio. What about them?
>
> In Jack's case, the dj can still ask callers to call in and
> talk about a funny moment or something...but, sadly, it's
> all about being cheap and not having anyone there instead.
>
> You can't tell me that it isn't, because if it wasn't,
> there'd still be 10-12 djs at a station, instead of two or
> three,(if lucky.) and they'd have alot more fun...and I
> don't just mean the morning show!
>
> It is a clear message that playing what you want is just a
> way of politly saying that the ipod is your best option,
> because there won't be anyone at the radio station do do
> anything different. Lucky for Buffalo, the REAL talk station
> there isn't owned by the same people who own Jack, so people
> can now go back and forth between 930 WBEN and their ipod
> because some clown at Jack forgot to care about
> personalities, and requests.
>
 
the requests thang

Well, it's not about being cheap. Top stations have not had 10-12 jocks a station for at least 25 years. The days of everybody on 3-4 hour shifts is a quarter-century old.

The whole "iPod" reference on Jack is all imaging, no doubt. So, it's OK- the listeners get it and they like it.

Look, you're really hung-up on this request thing and that's fine for you-- WE GET IT. I'm just telling you that at this point you're beating a dead horse and anybody who has an ounce of radio experience knows it. We've tried to explain it from every angle but you just don't want to hear it, so case closed.

>
> You can't tell me that it isn't, because if it wasn't,
> there'd still be 10-12 djs at a station, instead of two or
> three,(if lucky.) and they'd have alot more fun...and I
> don't just mean the morning show!
>
> It is a clear message that playing what you want is just a
> way of politly saying that the ipod is your best option,
> because there won't be anyone at the radio station do do
> anything different. Lucky for Buffalo, the REAL talk station
> there isn't owned by the same people who own Jack, so people
> can now go back and forth between 930 WBEN and their ipod
> because some clown at Jack forgot to care about
> personalities, and requests.
>
 
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