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Pirate on 107.5 in the East Valley?

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KeithE4

I'm getting a pretty strong signal on 107.5 that is not the translator for KVCP/88.3. They're both airing religious programming in English, but not the same ones. This one is also airing Christmas music as well as preaching.

I can hear it well at home in NE Mesa, and I also heard it with a decent signal in the area of US 60 and Higley Rd. in Gilbert. No record of another translator on this frequency, and the one for KVCP doesn't come in here.
 
KeithE4 said:
I'm getting a pretty strong signal on 107.5 that is not the translator for KVCP/88.3. They're both airing religious programming in English, but not the same ones. This one is also airing Christmas music as well as preaching.

I can hear it well at home in NE Mesa, and I also heard it with a decent signal in the area of US 60 and Higley Rd. in Gilbert. No record of another translator on this frequency, and the one for KVCP doesn't come in here.
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Only thing I'm seeing is KHYT Tucson but that wouldn't be strong and plays Classic Hits
 
KC8UOK said:
Only thing I'm seeing is KHYT Tucson but that wouldn't be strong and plays Classic Hits
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San Tan Mountain blocks the Tucson FM signals from east Mesa and Gilbert, and distance keeps them out of Phoenix and points west & north. Most of the Tucson FM frequencies have Phoenix-area translators or LPFMs on the air.
 
It just announced a "Family Radio Verse of the Day" just before 5 PM Phoenix time. No legal station ID, though. It's alternating Christmas songs and Bible verses. I believe KFLR/90.3 airs Family Radio programming, but they are not simulcasting. Rebroadcasting an Internet stream, perchance?
 
KeithE4 said:
It just announced a "Family Radio Verse of the Day" just before 5 PM Phoenix time. No legal station ID, though. It's alternating Christmas songs and Bible verses. I believe KFLR/90.3 airs Family Radio programming, but they are not simulcasting. Rebroadcasting an Internet stream, perchance?
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I think that sounds like K298CK Phoenix. Some sources tell me this station calls itself "Family Radio Phoenix", which lines up perfectly with what you're saying here.

Also, KFLR calls itself "Family Life Radio", which I believe is not the same as Family Radio.
 
LamptimerFan said:
I think that sounds like K298CK Phoenix. Some sources tell me this station calls itself "Family Radio Phoenix", which lines up perfectly with what you're saying here.
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K298CK is supposed to be rebroadcasting KVCP/88.3, which is VCY America, not Family anything. I can hear 88.3 and they didn't have the same programming.

They shouldn't be putting out any kind of a signal east of the 101 with 250 watts on Shaw Butte. Normally the only station I get on 107.5 is Tucson, and then only in my car while driving east of about Greenfield Rd.
LamptimerFan said:
Also, KFLR calls itself "Family Life Radio", which I believe is not the same as Family Radio.
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Now that I think about it, you're right. Family Radio and Family Life Radio are two different outfits.
 
Look. It's a pirate. There is absolutely zero evidence of it being a licensed facility. Enough with trying to justify its existence. Somebody report this to the FCC, please.
 
K.M. Richards said:
Look. It's a pirate. There is absolutely zero evidence of it being a licensed facility. Enough with trying to justify its existence. Somebody report this to the FCC, please.
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That would be up to VCY America or its listeners, not me. Personally, I don't care because not only do I not listen to religious stations, but they're not interfering with anything I do listen to. There's nothing in this market that isn't either Spanish-language or religious above 104.7, other than KMLE/107.9. I just find it interesting when a pirate does pop up around here.
 
KeithE4 said:
K298CK is supposed to be rebroadcasting KVCP/88.3, which is VCY America, not Family anything. I can hear 88.3 and they didn't have the same programming.
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I should clarify that KVCP-HD4 is Family Radio Phoenix. I assume K298CK is a simulcast of KVCP-HD4, which would mean 107.5 FM is not, in fact, a pirate.
 
LamptimerFan said:
I should clarify that KVCP-HD4 is Family Radio Phoenix. I assume K298CK is a simulcast of KVCP-HD4, which would mean 107.5 FM is not, in fact, a pirate.
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I'll have to take a radio outside to verify that, which isn't happening tonight. I don't get any HD on 88.3 inside my stucco-encrusted house, although the analog signal comes in pretty well. I do have a good shot to the west, so if they are there, I should pick them up.
 
Actually, I do think this may be a legitimate operation. While radio-locator.com (yes, I know K.M. Richards and the leaders of this site don't like it but it is very accessible to yours truly) lists KVCP as only having a translator for itself on 107.5 mHZ in Phoenix with only the authorization to transmit digitally,

KVCP - Wikipedia

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says that KVCP has four HD subchannels, the fourth of which is using the 107.5 translator and is, in fact, a rebroadcast of Family Radio, the religious radio outlet started by the late Dr. Harold Camping.

To me, the Wikipedia entry makes a lot of sense. Remember that to get the 88.3 frequency, VCY America had to not work with one, but *two* different owners. Up until VCY America came along, 88.3 was a shared time frequency between KNAI (3am-7pm) owned by the Caesar Chavez Foundation) and Family Radio for the remaining time. The Caesar Chavez Foundation wanted to sell their share of the 88.3 frequency (if I remember correctly, the FCC had caught the network airing commercials on a noncommercial frequency) and VCY America was ready to purchase. I read later (possibly on radioinsight.com) that VCY America had made a deal with Loam Inc., Family Radio's current owner, to take over the 7pm-3am timeslot as well and put Family Radio as one of KVCP's HD channels.

While I have verified the HD channel situation on my HD receiver (I'm close enough to do that), I have as yet to verify that the 107.5 translator is carrying Family Radio programming. However, this seems logical to me as that translator is really too close to KVCP's full power transmitter to gain any additional audience to the station carrying KVCP's HD1 programming.
 
LamptimerFan said:
All it took was a quick Google search to find out everything I know about this station.
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You know, this would have been easier if you had told us everything you know in the first place, instead of giving it to us in pieces and waiting for us to disprove the pieces before you added the next bit of information.

I wouldn't have had to make any posts in this thread if you had done that.
 
K.M. Richards said:
You know, this would have been easier if you had told us everything you know in the first place, instead of giving it to us in pieces and waiting for us to disprove the pieces before you added the next bit of information.

I wouldn't have had to make any posts in this thread if you had done that.
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I gave it to you in pieces because I found it out myself in pieces. You're the one that wanted to reject every piece of evidence that proved 107.5 FM to be legitimate because it went against your preconceived bias. Also, I don't hold any information I shared behind a wall. Everything here is public information.
 
LamptimerFan said:
I gave it to you in pieces because I found it out myself in pieces. You're the one that wanted to reject every piece of evidence that proved 107.5 FM to be legitimate because it went against your preconceived bias. Also, I don't hold any information I shared behind a wall. Everything here is public information.
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Whoa. Stop right there.

The first bit of what could be called "information" was speculative on your part (post #8) and the first time I said anything about the subject was when I agreed with @KeithE4 about the lack of legal IDs being an indication that he was correct in describing it as a pirate.

After all, he is the one who called it that in the thread title.

And at this point, we still have no verification that this is K298CK ... only a lot of confusion over where its programming originates.

But at no point in time did I "reject every piece of evidence" that you posted, as little as that was. "I think that sounds like ..." isn't exactly concrete evidence of anything, and my agreeing with Keith when the only thing you had posted before that was "did you get a legal ID?" and the aforementioned "that sounds like" is hardly a rejection of fact.

However, if it is indeed that translator, it does answer the question about not hearing the legal ID, as translators can do that silently via FSK, as allowed in the Rules.
 
The is a legitimate translator, 250 watts ERP off of Shaw Butte. They rebroadcast KCVP's HD-4 channel as a fill-in translator. When Family Radio sold their half of 88.3 a year or two ago to VCY, they would put HD on 88.3 so that Family could put their programming on the 107.5 translator. Family bought K298CK from the folks that owned the 1190 AM in Tolleson.
 
TowersRus said:
The is a legitimate translator, 250 watts ERP off of Shaw Butte. They rebroadcast KCVP's HD-4 channel as a fill-in translator. When Family Radio sold their half of 88.3 a year or two ago to VCY, they would put HD on 88.3 so that Family could put their programming on the 107.5 translator. Family bought K298CK from the folks that owned the 1190 AM in Tolleson.
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Circling back to @LamptimerFan's original question, then ...

Shouldn't we be hearing a TOH legal ID of "KVCP-HD4 Phoenix"? (Not KCVP, as typo'd above ...)
 


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