Pirate radio get served by FCC

[DG02816]

I'd love seeing what would happen if a less than zero-tolerance attitude was adopted on pirates with harsh penalties and heavy fines. Would be good to see that any encouragement of this type of activity be made a felony level offense. Rapking wants to see the FM dial become as chaotic as AM was in the early days of broadcasting. So sad and pathetic........

 

[ArtSpooner]

PIRATE RADIO IS THE FUTURE OF RADIO ! BIG City, Touch-FM,HOT 87.7, Choice-FM and 105.5 Worcester RULES !!!

Rapking, have you ever added anything resembling original thought on this board?

He is the Michael "Look at me" Felger of this board. He posts something preposterous so that people will pay attention to him.

 

[MickeyD]

I'd love seeing what would happen if a less than zero-tolerance attitude was adopted on pirates with harsh penalties and heavy fines. Would be good to see that any encouragement of this type of activity be made a felony level offense. Rapking wants to see the FM dial become as chaotic as AM was in the early days of broadcasting. So sad and pathetic........

If you think they are going to put people in jail over a friggen radio station you are sadly mistaken. If they did they would have to put all of the 18 wheel "good buddies" in jail too for operating with a kilowatt on their CBs. To the FCC broadcasting is a very small part of what they do these days.

 

[fccman]

I know this sounds nuts but some pirates pay music fees.

 

[MickeyD]

87.7 has a very impressive signal from what have been told but they are on a completely vacant channel since the two chanel sixes have moved off of it.

Oh really? WMBR and WCHC (both 88.1) might have something to say about that. Technically so might WIQH, WRPS, WGAO, WBMT (all 88.3) and some others. As would WBZ-FM (98.5)

Oh Really? Ever work in TV? 87.7 was reserved for Channel 6 and both stations operated at 316 KW and all of the stations you mentioned were licensed to protect these stations. Well they are gone and the protection is still there. Heard all of this before and if two 316 KW TV stations didn't cause a problem, neither will 87.7. They have been on the air for quite awhile and if the stations mentioned above haven't complained, considering the power they are running, then there is no problem.

You must subscribe to the NAB's mindset that an FM translator can operate two channels away but an LPFM must be at least three channels away. Technically they are identical to each other and the fact that the FCC had to pay a load of cash to MITRE to study this blows my mind.
This is the job of the FCC to shut them down not some of the vigilant types. If I found anyone on my property damaging anything of mine they would be picking birdshot out of the butt!

 

[Research_Weenie]

Now here's an idea. A pirate station gets about 10 different people to keep a transmitter in their apartment, and the station rotates the location of the transmitter every month.

A transmitter in an apartment? Do any of these volunteers have families? If so, can you say "child endangerment charges?"

How much power would endanger a child ? Between cell phones, cordless phones, legal 50k radio towers, and Million Watt TV towers, there's got to be a lot of RF in child's room as is - especially if you're near the Needham towers or the Pru. Curious what the threshold of endangerment would be if you had a transmitter in your apartment. 10 watts?

 

[carmen]

How much power would endanger a child ? Between cell phones, cordless phones, legal 50k radio towers, and Million Watt TV towers, there's got to be a lot of RF in child's room as is

"Gold foil, just one micron thick allows sunlight in but blocks RF. It's actually not all that expensive and lots of other places use it "

maybe Lowes has it?

 

[Tom Wells]

How much power would endanger a child ? Between cell phones, cordless phones, legal 50k radio towers, and Million Watt TV towers, there's got to be a lot of RF in child's room as is

"Gold foil, just one micron thick allows sunlight in but blocks RF. It's actually not all that expensive and lots of other places use it "

maybe Lowes has it?

I would think applying gold leaf foil to a child would get you in trouble faster than exposing the child to RF. :-\
3M 77 spray adhesive? That 1 micron gauge might be kinda hard to handle and work with.

Isn't there some old rumour that you have to leave a spot uncovered with foil on the back or the subject will suffocate?

 

[Don Juan]

If you think they are going to put people in jail over a friggen radio station you are sadly mistaken.

No, but they might bankrupt them. Take their house, garnish wages, etc.

If they did they would have to put all of the 18 wheel "good buddies" in jail too for operating with a kilowatt on their CBs.

There is quite a bit of difference in punishing those that operate on a commercial band....and those that operate on the citizen band.

 

[trojanrabbit]

Now here's an idea. A pirate station gets about 10 different people to keep a transmitter in their apartment, and the station rotates the location of the transmitter every month.

A transmitter in an apartment? Do any of these volunteers have families? If so, can you say "child endangerment charges?"

How much power would endanger a child ? Between cell phones, cordless phones, legal 50k radio towers, and Million Watt TV towers, there's got to be a lot of RF in child's room as is - especially if you're near the Needham towers or the Pru. Curious what the threshold of endangerment would be if you had a transmitter in your apartment. 10 watts?

Well, not that a pirate would give a damn, but even amateur radio operators have to abide by FCC RF exposure requirements.

An example powerpoint

http://www.arrl-sc.org/Documents/RF Exposure Evaluation for Amateur Radio Operators.ppt

So a real rough estimate would be if the child was closer than 3 feet from the antenna at 50 watts, you'd not be in compliance. 10 watts wouldn't be that much different, I suppose.

 

[Research_Weenie]

Well, not that a pirate would give a damn, but even amateur radio operators have to abide by FCC RF exposure requirements.

An example powerpoint

http://www.arrl-sc.org/Documents/RF Exposure Evaluation for Amateur Radio Operators.ppt

So a real rough estimate would be if the child was closer than 3 feet from the antenna at 50 watts, you'd not be in compliance. 10 watts wouldn't be that much different, I suppose.

thanks for the link.. will check on a PP enabled computer. So if 3 feet from 10 watts is hazardous.. what about 1 watt? (i think that's half the power of 10 watts - 1/3 the power of 50 watts.. ) Always presumed if cell phones, Motorola Walkie Talkies, Cordless phones - were all safe to put right up against your head - a 1 watt FM transmitter probably wouldn't do damage either. Not that a pirate would get much mileage with a watt - but a bunch of 'em simulcasting in apartments - targeting specific neighborhoods - would reach who they wanna reach but be hard to track - hopefully without endangering occupants.

 

[Uncle Kaimbridge]

thanks for the link.. will check on a PP enabled computer.

You can get the free PowerPoint Viewer, here:

http://download.cnet.com/PowerPoint-Viewer-2007/3000-18483_4-10742145.html

 

[Deleted User]

There are ANSI specs for RF exposure, and frequency has a lot to do with the danger. If you want to read the tecno babble find ANSI spec C-95.1

A 4 watt CD radio running on 27Mhz isn't a concern.

Cell phones are limited to 300 milliwatts IIRC, for not only RF exposure but so they don't go hitting multiple cell towers at once.

Back in the day people used to climb towers all the time, with the transmitters at full blast.
Now that is unheard of. The same thing that makes a microwave oven reheat last nights pizza can do a number on the human body. The FCC incorporated the ANSI Standard of 200 mW/cm2 for FM broadcast frequencies, on August 1, 1996

 

[Deleted User]

ooops typo I meant to type CB radio, sorry

 

[Tom Wells]

There are ANSI specs for RF exposure, and frequency has a lot to do with the danger. If you want to read the tecno babble find ANSI spec C-95.1

A 4 watt CD radio running on 27Mhz isn't a concern.

Cell phones are limited to 300 milliwatts IIRC, for not only RF exposure but so they don't go hitting multiple cell towers at once.

Back in the day people used to climb towers all the time, with the transmitters at full blast.
Now that is unheard of. The same thing that makes a microwave oven reheat last nights pizza can do a number on the human body. The FCC incorporated the ANSI Standard of 200 mW/cm2 for FM broadcast frequencies, on August 1, 1996

This all has to do with the wavelength of interest vs its proportion to structures in the human body.
As smaller and smaller wavelengths are used they easily reasonate with many parts of the body, up to microwave, where
we'll as bake nicely as any potato.

Half-meter waves are hell on arm and leg bones, for instance.

 

[fccman]

The commission says the pirates are going down in the next 3 to 4 weeks.

 

[fccman]

Rapking are you a pirate?

 

[carmen]

The commission says the pirates are going down in the next 3 to 4 weeks.

citation needed. a high profile bust is just a PR stunt meant to justify inflated govt salaries and unnecessary entities like the FCC

 

[carmen]

3 feet from the antenna at 50 watts, you'd not be in compliance. 10 watts wouldn't be that much different, I suppose.

just theoretically, looking out for the welfare of your child you try to disable the 5000 watt transmitter feed line running up the feed line of your neighbors chimney, or feedline from elevator room on rooftop

would you use a sharpened shovel, and maybe wrap your body in aluminum foil? i'm genuinely curious.

 

[DCBurns]

Pirate radio is the future! (i am a pirate and i approved this message)