numanoid17 said:
well i would also enjoy a real dance station too but... it isnt about what is popular or hot. It is about what sells commercials.
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well i would also enjoy a real dance station too but... it isnt about what is popular or hot. It is about what sells commercials.
It was sad to see employees, with their belongings, walking out of Cox Radio in San Antonio today. I was in town to drop off a sponsorship package for a concert event my company is hosting and found out that Power 106.7 was flipping format to talk radio, after I got up to the 6th floor.
Well, another major city with only one urban station in it.
As another post mentioned, The Beat is turning more toward Tejano music.
Well, another major city with only one urban station in it.
As another post mentioned, The Beat is turning more toward Tejano music.
MINDonDAradio247 said:
I would disagree that a real dance station would be popular and hot. Dance isn't even a format. How many dance stations even exist? On the other hand, I can think of several FM talk stations that are doing well. It's a great format for FM as long as it's not dumbed down hot talk.
fredcantu said:
When KJFK went talk, it was on the Bertram 2000' tower at 1500' and 18,000 watts erp and had very little city grade coverage over Austin. Today, (KJFK) now, KHHL is located at roughly 620 and 2222 at 515' with 29,000 watts erp and all of Austin is getting city grade coverage. So given the relocation of the antenna, would it work today?
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Successful talk requires more than a good signal. It requires a commitment to local news and promotion. 1370 in Austin has a slate of big name hosts but it just doesn't connect with Austin the way 590 does. Radio needs to be a part of your life to succeed.
Speaking of local news... it will be interesting to see what 106.7 does in that area.
Speaking of local news... it will be interesting to see what 106.7 does in that area.
Dif asked about other formats on 106.7...
The frequency was originally allocated as a 'minority owner', class 'A' FM. I believe it was licensed to Terrell Hills. The first calls were KTUF. Cesta Ayers, who called himself Cesmo, was the P.D. That must have been about 1977 or 1978. I think it sold and became a sort of light album alternative in the early 80's, when the FCC stopped enforcing ownership regulations. I remember Donny Meals was doing mornings there around '83 or '84. It was upgraded and became a full-power station (b or c) by the mid '80's, and was just another chunk of radio real estate by the late '90s. With no staff and all syndication programming it will have a low overhead, so you can see what the owners are thinking. Me? I miss KESI.
The frequency was originally allocated as a 'minority owner', class 'A' FM. I believe it was licensed to Terrell Hills. The first calls were KTUF. Cesta Ayers, who called himself Cesmo, was the P.D. That must have been about 1977 or 1978. I think it sold and became a sort of light album alternative in the early 80's, when the FCC stopped enforcing ownership regulations. I remember Donny Meals was doing mornings there around '83 or '84. It was upgraded and became a full-power station (b or c) by the mid '80's, and was just another chunk of radio real estate by the late '90s. With no staff and all syndication programming it will have a low overhead, so you can see what the owners are thinking. Me? I miss KESI.
grantchester said:
The old Broadcasting and Cable Yearbooks from the late 60's/early 70's show KBUC was originally a class A at 106.3. I seem to remember my father telling me it was 107.5 by the time we left San Antonio in 1976. He still remembers KBUC and KONO because two of his best friends listened to those stations!
I disagree that KTSA and WOAI are delivering strong, local talk these days. So far, I'm liking Mancow 1000% better than what I've been hearing out of either Trey Ware or Charlie Parker lately. It's refreshing to hear intelligent discussion, high-profile guests and not have to listen to the monotonous rants of Joe and Mary Sixpack. (Clearly, I've had my fill of "What's Your Beef Wednesday" and "Let's Open Up the phone lines to hear from you, San Antonio.") It seems like there's hardly any production effort being put into local morning shows when so much time within them is devoted to open phones and pop-culture poll questions!gabigley1 said:
Once basketball season starts, I'm sure most local folks will need the comfort of a morning show that mention the Spurs at least once every quarter hour to be content, but IMO Mancow is a refreshing change of pace. Hearing him use Devo songs as music beds makes me feel like I have a target on my back.
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Not to change the subject, but this all sounds just like the "old/new KTFM saga". KTUF 106.3 FM started sometime in late 1979/early 1980, with a jazz/AC format, along with David Munoz, who we had last heard on 'disco 103', (remember THAT KTFM?). Condsidering what was on the local airwaves at that time, KTUF was very refreshing and sometimes soothing to experience, especially with a cold beverage. Then sometime in 1982, KTUF, still on 106.3, switched to KESI, with an album rock format. Between 1983 and 1985, the format was changed to light jazz/AC. In late 1985, KESI moved over to 106.7 FM. KESI's AC playlist was not as good as the old KTUF's, but at that time, it was all we had. KESI was the only station that played Susanne Vega, Rickie Lee Jones and many other artists, which I had heard on the east coast for years, in very BIG metropolitan, REAL CITIES, where there is a station on every freq on the entire dial. Somtime in 1991/1992, KESI became KCJZ, with an all jazz/AC format, again featuring Mr D Munoz. Several years later, the jazz craze ended and KCJZ began a dance/pop format. I can't recall when the call letters were changed, because I had stopped listening to local radio. I do remember before 106.7 began playing hiphop and that other stuff, they were playing dance/technopop-rave stuff, because my girlfriend was always listening to it in her car. IMHO, KTUF had a great format for GROWN UPS and to some extent, so did the later KESI. Now all we have on the PUBLIC airwaves is either childish, juvenile or geriatric, unless one likes the stuff they call 'country' now. Its a balance, NPR on one end and neocon garbage on the other! Enjoy!
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It could have been. I don't recall all of that freqs history. For 1988 to 93, I didn't pay much attention to that end of the dial. Returning to the original topic, does anyone seriously listen to that conspiracy nut, Alex Jones? I think he is on KLBJ AM on the weekends. I hear him on SW once in a while, just for laughs. It seems real comical how that clown's show has evolved from one conspiracy to another. When I first came across Mr Jones, in the early '90s, the conspiracy was about Pres GHW Bush and the 'new world order'. Then came Clinton and those black helicopters, black suburbans and secret detention camps. Then it was the 911 inside job conspiracy, along with those pesky chemtrails. Now its the Obamination newer new world order, one world walmart. When is this guy going to stop and how has he stayed on the radio for so long? At least coast to coast AM is somewhat entertaining, sort of like the scifi mystery radio hour. There are a lot of other conspiracy/complainers on SW, mainly on WWCR. They're fun to listen to, because they're so unbelievable and there are some people who take these nuts seriously!
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FM Talk 106.7 "New Young Sound" But, with the same old syndicate shows. The station will fail with the sold old national hosts.
Mancow is good...but, the rest are the same thing you can get in Anywhere, USA. Too bad.
How about some new local talent -talking about local issues that affect the audience.
No more Bush/Obama bashing - No more Dems V. Reps.
Mancow is good...but, the rest are the same thing you can get in Anywhere, USA. Too bad.
How about some new local talent -talking about local issues that affect the audience.
No more Bush/Obama bashing - No more Dems V. Reps.
I did some consulting in SA and I just noticed that Cox has flipped 106.7 to 'FM talk.' A couple of observations.
1) I think the people who refer to 'WOAI and KTSA' as if they were co-equal players, don't know how to read a ratings book. WOAI has consistently been #1 or #2, and KTSA has consistently been #15 or #16 for several books how. You really have to be in the top five to matter in markets outside the top 10. This battle is over, and KTSA isn't a player. I'm sure they're still outselling their ratings like they were when Rex Tackett was GM..but that doesn't make them a factor.
2) I know everybody refers to 'FM talk' as the 'hot new format,' but the numbers don't bear that out. Research shows that radio people focus on AM or FM much more than listeners do....now that you don't have to 'change bands' on car radios, many listeners don't even know what band their P1 is on...and with spoken word formats, bandwidth fidelity is much less important. There is also no empirical evidence that 'younger demos' 'won't' listen to AM, WFAN in NYC consistently does well in 18-34. N/T listeners will seek out new stations if 1) they are dissatisfied with their current choices and 2) there is an intriguing personality or compelling local content (like play by play) on the new station. There is nothing hot or intriguing about Savage, (he was already on another SA station and failed, if I'm not mistaken) and judging from the consistency of WOAI's numbers, their listeners don't seem dissatisfied.
3) There's been a lot of talk about 106.7 'taking' from WOAI or KTSA in the morning. I think Mancow is very talented, and I haven't listened to either Trey or Stan&Charity in a while, but I see from their web sites they are both still there, and there is no way listeners of those shows would have any interest in Mancow. I think if Mancow does 'take' from somebody, it will be Lisle & Hahn, which is probably not the outcome Cox is looking for.
1) I think the people who refer to 'WOAI and KTSA' as if they were co-equal players, don't know how to read a ratings book. WOAI has consistently been #1 or #2, and KTSA has consistently been #15 or #16 for several books how. You really have to be in the top five to matter in markets outside the top 10. This battle is over, and KTSA isn't a player. I'm sure they're still outselling their ratings like they were when Rex Tackett was GM..but that doesn't make them a factor.
2) I know everybody refers to 'FM talk' as the 'hot new format,' but the numbers don't bear that out. Research shows that radio people focus on AM or FM much more than listeners do....now that you don't have to 'change bands' on car radios, many listeners don't even know what band their P1 is on...and with spoken word formats, bandwidth fidelity is much less important. There is also no empirical evidence that 'younger demos' 'won't' listen to AM, WFAN in NYC consistently does well in 18-34. N/T listeners will seek out new stations if 1) they are dissatisfied with their current choices and 2) there is an intriguing personality or compelling local content (like play by play) on the new station. There is nothing hot or intriguing about Savage, (he was already on another SA station and failed, if I'm not mistaken) and judging from the consistency of WOAI's numbers, their listeners don't seem dissatisfied.
3) There's been a lot of talk about 106.7 'taking' from WOAI or KTSA in the morning. I think Mancow is very talented, and I haven't listened to either Trey or Stan&Charity in a while, but I see from their web sites they are both still there, and there is no way listeners of those shows would have any interest in Mancow. I think if Mancow does 'take' from somebody, it will be Lisle & Hahn, which is probably not the outcome Cox is looking for.
dlf said:
KCJZ flipped to Rhythmic Oldies in July of 1999, Around Sept 2001, to Oct 31, 2003 10am KCJZ was Dance (I know because when I took the Greyhound bus to Houston right after listening to the Morning Show with Doug (I forgot his last name he was the PD/MD at the time the station became Z 1067 right after the commercial break, after that I turned the radio off. In October of 2006 KELZ Z1067 became Power 1067.
KMMX also used KMIX calls as well in 1989. KESI was never on 106.7, it was on 106.3 known as Star 106. Back then a radio station's owner could own 2 stations of the same format for example WOAI-760 (KXXS?) and WOAI-1200AM. The FCC banned that practice in 1993. Meaning KTSA cannot be Top40 without KTFM flipping to a slightly different format, KSMG cant be Mainstream Oldies without KONO flipping to a slightly different format but they could be r&b oldies, the same for KCYY so defiantly no KDIL.
I originally thought Power 1067 was going to flip to Urban Adult Contemporary to bring back KSJL somewhat like Clumminus media's Power 97.5 in Houston because Power 97.5 started off as Urban Contemporary in 2002, one year later in 2003 they flipped to Urban AC and kept the same moniker and call letters. I still have their bumper sticker somewhere around here, ironically that station flipped to talk 1 1/2 years later to Fox Business Channel, Rock 97.5, then to ESPN Radio.
Cox should have flipped the format to Urban AC and renamed the calls KSJL. Urban AC is doing well in Houston on Majic 102 has been for years. Cox would have no competion in doing so except some from KONO, and KQXT because its hits and oldies. For the talk radio format Cox will have to compete with KTSA which had the same format since 1986, KLUP 930, and WOAI 1200 which has been around since the 70s with the same format. Talk radio on FM was tried before on 92.5 it failed in 1 year. All talk radio station on AM was tried in 1993 on 760 AM one of the strongest AM signals that failed too.
KSJL didn't fail, the LMA with Clear Channel ended.
The other viable options are Dance, and Spanish but with Spanish you would have to be stand apart from KRIO, KXTN, KLEY, KROM, and KCOR. Unless the sell the station to Liberman Broadcasting but I don't see that happening.
Maybe 106.7 is a test station that flips every 2 years they seem to be doing that since 1999.
Huh? I didn't know the FCC made any restrictions on format content after the late 70's. I also recall that WOAI had news/talk formats on both 1200 AM and 760 AM in 1995.
Also, I was pretty sure the power boost for KESI came when it still held those calls.
My memory may be faulty about the origins of 106.7 and the minority ownership of same, but I am sure there was no station on 106 immediately before KTUF signed on. Others say KBUC-FM abandoned the channel when they moved to 107.5. I don't recall KBUC FM when it was 106.3, (or 106.1?). 106.3 was dark when KTUF signed on.
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