Power 106.7 Flip

[Kent]

KMMX also used KMIX calls as well in 1989.

Not exactly. "K-Mix 106.7, Where Less Talk Means You Hear A Better Variety Of Soft Rock" did occasionally refer to itself as "KMIX," but it never used those calls in its legal ID. It was always "KMMX Terrell Hills/San Antonio." The actual KMIX calls were on a country station in Modesto, CA in 1989. They were on the Modesto area station from 3/23/87 to 2/2/95.

Back then a radio station's owner could own 2 stations of the same format for example WOAI-760 (KXXS?) and WOAI-1200AM. The FCC banned that practice in 1993. Meaning KTSA cannot be Top40 without KTFM flipping to a slightly different format, KSMG cant be Mainstream Oldies without KONO flipping to a slightly different format but they could be r&b oldies, the same for KCYY so defiantly no KDIL.

Totally incorrect. The FCC has not regulated formats in decades. I believe the last time it did this was when WNCN 104.3, a classical station in NYC, was sold to someone who was going to flip it to rock as WQIV. That was in the mid-to-late 70's. Multiple stations running the same format in the same cluster has been going on forever and continues to happen. If this practice was banned in '93, how did CBS run two country stations, both heavily current oriented, until '02? How did New City run country on KDIL until '95?

The other viable options are Dance,

Dance doesn't appear to be viable. Cox already tried it at 106.7 and failed. They'd still be doing it if it had worked!

 

[jkconsulting]

Mon-Fri 6A - 10A, 12 plus: WOAI #2/KTSA not in the top ten. Like I said, in a market the size of SA, you have to be in the top five to matter. The difference for n/t, as I have said to several stations who don't want to hear it, is the 'n' part...WOAI has one of the most creative radio-only local news operations in the country and KTSA just isn't competitive there. N/T cannot be a 'turnkey station' with all syndicated talent and be successful....even if it IS on FM. N/T listeners want news and they want at least one local show (preferably AM drive) and if there is a station in the market that is doing it well, it is really difficult for the FM talker to get listeners to make the switch....and the numbers nationwide bear that out.

 

[saradio1]

The other viable options are Dance,

Posted by Kent- Dance doesn't appear to be viable. Cox already tried it at 106.7 and failed. They'd still be doing it if it had worked!

Not true. 106.7 Jamz wasn't a true Dance station. Cox also had Doug Bennet as the PD, he knews nothing about Dance Music.

It would be great to have a Dance leaning station but I don't see that happening. The best we can hope for is Mix 96 adds more Dance Music or KTFM goes back to it's roots as Chr/Dance.

 

[Kent]

Not true. 106.7 Jamz wasn't a true Dance station. Cox also had Doug Bennet as the PD, he knews nothing about Dance Music.

Dance radio has been killed, or is getting killed, everywhere it's been tried in the US. The only dance-friendly station that has ever worked is KTU in New York, and it has never been a pure dance station. Dance fans constantly blast KTU for not being pure dance. They also write off every failed dance station as either not being pure dance and/or executed poorly. Cox has never done anything on a whim, and spends a ton on researching everything to the minute detail. If there was a way to make it work, they would have found it!

It would be great to have a Dance leaning station but I don't see that happening. The best we can hope for is Mix 96 adds more Dance Music or KTFM goes back to it's roots as Chr/Dance.

Again, why would they do that? In Miami and Orlando, where each had a dance station, WPOW and WJHM took out almost every dance track they ever touched and watched their ratings go up! The only change they made was a slight modification to the music rotation removing the dance tracks.

 

[MINDonDAradio247]

People just need to give it up already with wishing this station or another would turn dance. Remember, San Antonio is lame. It could never support a true dance station.

My opinion

 

[Jay F]

People just need to give it up already with wishing this station or another would turn dance. Remember, San Antonio is lame. It could never support a true dance station.

My opinion

You make it sound as if true dance is a top radio format that is thriving everywhere outside of San Antonio. In reality the format doesn't even exist in 99%+ of the country.

 

[blazin2009]

BIG BOY NEVER WORK FOR POWER 106.7 IN SAN ANTONIO HE WAS SYNDICATING FROM POWER 106 IN LOS ANGELES WHICH IS WAY BETTER THEY MIX 7 DAYS WEEK ALL DAY I USE TO LISTEN TO THEM WHEN THEY PLAYED ALOT OF FREESTYLE AND HOUSE MUSIC IN 1987 WHEN THEY FIRST CAME ON THEY ARE STILL ON IN 2009 MIXING

 

[blazin2009]

LAS VEGAS HAS A PURE DANCE RADIO STATION 94.5 THE VIBE ITS DOING GOOD ALOT OF THE HIP HOP MUSIC IS WACK TODAY AND GARBAGE THESE ARTIST NOWADAYS WILL NEVER SELL WHAT MICHAEL JACKSON SOLD OVER 750 MILLION RECORDS 275 PERCENT OF PEOPLE ARE LISTENING TO THE VIBE THE HIP HOP RADIO STATIONS GOT LESS LISTENERS IN LAS VEGAS.

 

[Jay F]

LAS VEGAS HAS A PURE DANCE RADIO STATION 94.5 THE VIBE ITS DOING GOOD ALOT OF THE HIP HOP MUSIC IS WACK TODAY AND GARBAGE THESE ARTIST NOWADAYS WILL NEVER SELL WHAT MICHAEL JACKSON SOLD OVER 750 MILLION RECORDS 275 PERCENT OF PEOPLE ARE LISTENING TO THE VIBE THE HIP HOP RADIO STATIONS GOT LESS LISTENERS IN LAS VEGAS.

How can you say THE VIBE is doing good??? It doesn't show up in the ratings at all. Meanwhile the hip hop stations in Las Vegas are doing just fine.

 

[saradio1]

Posted by Kent- Dance radio has been killed, or is getting killed, everywhere it's been tried in the US. The only dance-friendly station that has ever worked is KTU in New York, and it has never been a pure dance station. Dance fans constantly blast KTU for not being pure dance. They also write off every failed dance station as either not being pure dance and/or executed poorly. Cox has never done anything on a whim, and spends a ton on researching everything to the minute detail. If there was a way to make it work, they would have found it!

You've gotta be kidding. Cox does extensive research so that's why 106.7 has a format flip every 2 or maybe 3 yrs...ummm, okay.

As for Miami, Party 93.1 had zero jocks and most of the music was overplayed. Orlando's Party 95.3, was originally on poor signal.

Dance Music has survived with almost zero airplay here in the states. But what's odd is that some of Today's Top artist(s) have embrace the uptempo beats such as Pitbull, Flo Rida, Ne-Yo, Kelly Rowlands and many others. IMO, Dance Music is severely underrated but if you look at the stations that drop Dance Music in the last 5-10 years, you'll notice that they've recently added back to playlist. For instance, Power 106(LA), B-96(Chicago) and many others. Pulse in NYC, is gaining advertisers even with it's low power frequency. While Energy in SF, doesn't do too well in the trends. It does well enough with revenue. Eventually, the Dance format will be on a descent signal with a Program Director that knows the music.

I had high hopes when M3 became Music Director at KTFM. But with Landis running the show, that's impossible. Landis remains clueless about SA.

 

[saradio1]

People just need to give it up already with wishing this station or another would turn dance. Remember, San Antonio is lame. It could never support a true dance station.
My opinion

You're probably older than 35 or you just don't understand the music. Either way, Dance Music rules the Top 10 around the world... In fact, the Top 3 downloads in the US are Dance oriented beats.

Take a look at the number of Dance song downloads from country to country.

http://www.apple.com/euro/itunes/charts/top10songs.html

 

[MINDonDAradio247]

People just need to give it up already with wishing this station or another would turn dance. Remember, San Antonio is lame. It could never support a true dance station.
My opinion

You're probably older than 35 or you just don't understand the music. Either way, Dance Music rules the Top 10 around the world... In fact, the Top 3 downloads in the US are Dance oriented beats.

Take a look at the number of Dance song downloads from country to country.

http://www.apple.com/euro/itunes/charts/top10songs.html

I am far from 35 and I understand the music just fine. I am actually a fan of dance music. But dance in San Antonio will not work. I am not talking about a half ass dance station. I mean a true dance station. Sure it would have fans but who could sell it? Who would buy time in this city on such a station? You also misunderstood the point I was making. Dance can survive elsewhere but not in San Antonio. You roam this city and you hear people still listening to those godawful freestyle songs 102.7 used to play over 20 years ago. M3, yeah overall hes a good guy. But BMP wasn't about to let him do his thing with 94.1

 

[Kent]

You've gotta be kidding. Cox does extensive research so that's why 106.7 has a format flip every 2 or maybe 3 yrs...ummm, okay.

Yes, I'm serious. Look at the big picture. Why do you think they do the "50 minutes of music every hour" pretty much everywhere? It's because they've poured tons of money into it and found that it works with pretty much every format if you can create a well prepped and consistent sound! Yes, Cox has some failures, but no one is perfect. Cox's failures at 106.7 prove two points that I've heard for decades: (1) Even the best research can sometimes yield bad results. (2) An upstart has a battle that's very difficult to win without a big mistake by the established competitor.

When you look at how Cox is doing compared to Clear Channel, Cumulus and even CBS, you'll notice they have more stations at the top of their markets than the big boys. In Atlanta, Cox has three of the top-5 stations; CBS has one. Cox also has three of the top-5 in San Antonio; Clear Channel has one. In Tulsa, Cox has two of the top-5; Clear Channel has one. In Louisville, Cox has three of the top-5, Clear Channel two. In Birmingham, it's 3:2 Cox over Clear Channel. Cox has one of two English language stations in the top-5 in Miami; the other is owned by LFM. Of the markets where Cox and Clear Channel compete, Clear Channel has more top-5 stations in only three, and CBS and Cumulus don't have more in any. You can't tell me that's not success, and they didn't earn that success by ignoring the audience and tossing darts at a board!

As for Miami, Party 93.1 had zero jocks and most of the music was overplayed. Orlando's Party 95.3, was originally on poor signal.

And you wouldn't listen to either for those reasons? There's not a dance fan I know of who would say, "I really love the music on that station, but I won't listen because it doesn't have jocks!" Also, every one of them I know would have bought a 30 foot mast for an antenna so they could have heard Party 95.3 in Deland!

Pulse in NYC, is gaining advertisers even with it's low power frequency.

Pulse has a ways to go if it wants to achieve true profitability. The recent "profit" it talked about excluded debt accumulated through acquiring the station. Its "profit" is actually a $250,000 loss.

While Energy in SF, doesn't do too well in the trends. It does well enough with revenue.

This pretty well proves my point. Dance is very small niche format. While Energy may make a small profit, would you go after it, or would you go after KOIT? Several small stations doing AC are doing considerably better than Energy.

Eventually, the Dance format will be on a descent signal with a Program Director that knows the music.

I don't recommend you hold your breath!

 

[Kent]

You're probably older than 35 or you just don't understand the music.

Assuming this to be true, you've just explained why dance music isn't a viable business in the US. What you're essentially saying is that dance music appeals to a small niche in an already tough-to-sell demo. That might make you a lot of friends among dance fans, but it won't win you very many advertisers!

Either way, Dance Music rules the Top 10 around the world...

Irrelevant. Country has the most stations in the US, and you don't see many country stations outside North America, do you?

In fact, the Top 3 downloads in the US are Dance oriented beats.

Again, irrelevant. Three popular songs does not a format make.

 

[saradio1]

People just need to give it up already with wishing this station or another would turn dance. Remember, San Antonio is lame. It could never support a true dance station.
My opinion

You're probably older than 35 or you just don't understand the music. Either way, Dance Music rules the Top 10 around the world... In fact, the Top 3 downloads in the US are Dance oriented beats.

Take a look at the number of Dance song downloads from country to country.

http://www.apple.com/euro/itunes/charts/top10songs.html

I am far from 35 and I understand the music just fine. I am actually a fan of dance music. But dance in San Antonio will not work. I am not talking about a half ass dance station. I mean a true dance station. Sure it would have fans but who could sell it? Who would buy time in this city on such a station? You also misunderstood the point I was making. Dance can survive elsewhere but not in San Antonio. You roam this city and you hear people still listening to those godawful freestyle songs 102.7 used to play over 20 years ago. M3, yeah overall hes a good guy. But BMP wasn't about to let him do his thing with 94.1

When The Beat came on the air the management team at the original KTFM said the same thing. Hip Hop won't work in SA. Guess what, The Beat is still here and KTFM isn't. Nevertheless, we can go on and on with many different view points about the Dance format but it's not going to make a difference. Neither you or I are in charge of making any changes to any SA radio station.


As for Kent replies, I'll leave those as is cause we going in circles.

 

[1st of 5]

What kind of dance music is all this fuss about? Is it like the stuff that the old 106.7 used to play before that awful hip rap thing, or is it that endlessly repetitive, euro-rave, techno noise that goes on for about 1/2 an hour? Besides, if that hip hop rap noise was really "the thing" and not a passing fad promoted by the industry, there would be more than one station playing that noise here. The main problem with our stations is that all of our music sounds the same, no matter what the genre. Up until about 7 years ago I used to be able to listen to the Top 20 countdown on the BBC WorldService. The music was like a refreshing breath of clean air in a cesspool. They played ALL kinds of music, pop, rock, hip rap, semi country and other kinds that we US Americans don't have descriptions for. The same was true back in the '80s with WTBS Nightracks. They showed music videos of songs that never made it to the airwaves here in SATX. If you didn't sound like Britney Airhead or Backdoor Boys, you didn't make to the radio, recording studio, or cousin Vinnie's Barmitzvah. If the next monkey doesn't sound like the previous monkey, no deal, no $$$, no nothing. Just imagine all of the music that you don't hear, because some suit decided he didn't want you to hear it. And yeah, there's the internet, but why should I have to spend $$$ when radio is practically FREE! I hope CC dies a miserable, excrutiating, see-you-in-Hell death for what they did to radio.

 

[MINDonDAradio247]

When The Beat came on the air the management team at the original KTFM said the same thing. Hip Hop won't work in SA. Guess what, The Beat is still here and KTFM isn't. Nevertheless, we can go on and on with many different view points about the Dance format but it's not going to make a difference. Neither you or I are in charge of making any changes to any SA radio station.

As for Kent replies, I'll leave those as is cause we going in circles.

whomever in the old KTFM management who supposedly said this must have been an idiot. i dont believe anyone in the old managemnt of KTFM ever said that. Look at the success KSJL had with their THE MIX night show all those years back BEFORE the beat. Granted it was only one night show but it was the only source of hip hop this city had. I wont get into why KXXM took it over and KSJL moved to another channel on the dial etc.

But being a teenager when that night show was going on and having listened to it on a consistent basis, you easily knew San Antonio could handle a true Hip Hop station.

KTFM had gotten sloppy. They had little to no competition for years. Look at the years before the beat murdered KTFM. You will see Brittney spears, christina, countless boy bands etc. That was the popular music at that time. the beat came in at a perfect time. just when that bubble gum pop crap was coming to an end here they go and enter the san antonio market and killed ktfm. people were already sick and tired of the boy bands, brittney spears, etc type music and having a station play nothing but hip hop sealed KTFMs fate. the hip hop aspect AND also the people being sick of the pop crap.

okay i got off subject. dance is good. i would love a dance station but as it has already been said there is no market to sell a station like that in this city.

 

[davi78239]

I wish they'd try a 101X alternative here in SA. I bet you guys that would hit. I'm tired and burnt out of KISS. Yea, it's a leader in the market but what other choice do we really have?? Funny how Austin, Dallas, and Houston all have alternative stations and for some reason, San Antonio being the 7th largest city in the nation doesn't and has never had one. Just like a "small town". Notice all the major markets and even mid size cities have an alternative but yet we don't. I think they're just too scared that KISS will run it off but if you think about it, the music format would be different. Before I die, I'd love to see a station like this in SA and I'm only gonna be 29 this coming August.

 

[saradio1]

Posted by: MINDonDAradio247- whomever in the old KTFM management who supposedly said this must have been an idiot. i dont believe anyone in the old managemnt of KTFM ever said that.

I don't really care if you believe it but that's why KTFM kept on dayparting. No Hip Hop until after 5pm and even at that time it was in small quantities. After 7pm is when KTFM would go Hip Hop/Freestyle/Dance/R&B. During the day, KTFM played Pop, Disco and R&B. This b/s went on for several months after The Beat had entered the market. The Beat kept eating away into KTFM numbers but upper management believed the listeners would come back. I don't remember the name of the person that told me this but someone at the station said SA was too conservative for Hip Hop 24/7.

 

[MINDonDAradio247]

Posted by: MINDonDAradio247- whomever in the old KTFM management who supposedly said this must have been an idiot. i dont believe anyone in the old managemnt of KTFM ever said that.

I don't really care if you believe it but that's why KTFM kept on dayparting. No Hip Hop until after 5pm and even at that time it was in small quantities. After 7pm is when KTFM would go Hip Hop/Freestyle/Dance/R&B. During the day, KTFM played Pop, Disco and R&B. This b/s went on for several months after The Beat had entered the market. The Beat kept eating away into KTFM numbers but upper management believed the listeners would come back. I don't remember the name of the person that told me this but someone at the station said SA was too conservative for Hip Hop 24/7.

funny...