Predictions on 92.5 FM

[Mid West Clubber]

Quick Question,,,, Does KKMG 98.9 ever make the Denver book, I wonder because their signal is okay in alot of Denver, but if your on the South or west side in the shadow of the Mountains, you cant here 98.9 at all.

 

[Johnnie_Radio]

Quick Question,,,, Does KKMG 98.9 ever make the Denver book, I wonder because their signal is okay in alot of Denver, but if your on the South or west side in the shadow of the Mountains, you cant here 98.9 at all.

Hey M.W.C. ...........actually KKMG's tower is down closer to Pueblo....http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=KKMG&service=FM&status=L&hours=U

so actually 98.9 runs out just past Castle Rock...so it doesn't hit Denver that much to show up on the Arbitron.

I'm really sick of KS myself....they are becoming more Hardcore....kinda Thugish...?? since i'm in my 30's maybe i've just lost touch of "this so-called HIP HOP today. I prefer Old-school more like K-Solo....Eric Sermon....these guys i could understand their Lyrics......unlike these young cats today.

If denver could bring back a Jammin Oldies with R&B mixed in would be great. Kinda like a Hot 95 in Albequrque or KAJM Mega 104.3 in Phoenix.

Denver's new Jammin R&B & Mega OL SCHOOL...Station!!!!

 

[borderbum]

when you travel past walsenburg you are in the mountains signal on 92.5 classic rock- tower on top of raton pass will carry you to las vegas nm. then you must -well not must but will probably only get radiop free santa fe take your cds

 

[getfuzzy]

Lemmings...

howz about somebody do something REALLY exciting and new. NOT researched down to dust, NOT the same old clocks, NOT the, well, SAME OLD! Sheesh, no wonder some of these boards sit for days or weeks without reply. BORING! same old people spouting the same ideas. Imagine if somebody blew the roof off - like what NRC started to do with 102.1 in Fort Collins (and the simulcast isn't half as good as what Hayes was doing - and no this isn't Hayes).

 

[naked ruth]

Here here Get Fuzzy! Why doesnt NRC do something like that in Denver? I know the answer already but it was worth bringing up. Or, why doesnt someone go further...

 

[getfuzzy]

I totally agree, but we all know nobody is gonna budge in the big D. I wholeheartedly believe that, say kcuv had a bigger signal, they would do much better in other areas, like up north. Kinda strange with stablemate kcmv on 102.1 in Ft Collins, but still not as good as 'cuv. I mean, kbco is a flamethrower so what choice does a listener have when trying to find triple-a on the dial (and I would argue that 'bco is a mere hit music station anymore but thats another discussion altogether - Tiny Dancer still? really?). How about the Mtn? mediocre ratings for years yet a signal that reaches up north pretty far. come on - that station is as boring (AND formulaic depsite their attempt to be an "album" station) as they come AND the northern area has like 18 (yes, sarcasm) classic rock stations. blow it up and let us at it! Keep Robbie though Then theres Regent up in Fort Collins run by some tight-ass pd and gm that can't see past ANYTHING different. They have AT LEAST one station there with mediocre ratings that they could try something new on - but I guess they have become too comfortable with their one powerhouse country propping up the rest. what a waste.

 

[Jay F]

getfuzzy, I think that KBCO is doing the right thing by playing lot's of classics. First of all, they are doing well. If it's not broke don't fix it. Also, since KTCL is a co-owned station it's a good idea to keep the alternative and adult alternative stations seperated with little or no overlap. Finally, it's risky for an AAA to be too current because a lot of the listeners who would appreciate that music generally aren't heavy radio users. They will still stick to their I-Pods and other alternatives regardless of how current KBCO would become. KBCO should age with their loyal audience, the old hippie types who will still be in the 25-54 demo for another 5-10 years.

92.5 on the other hand is doing poorly enough where they should consider changing formats. Yes, they have trimmed a little fat off KYGO, but they aren't doing well in their own right, Why would the next 3 years be any different than the last three? It doesn't matter what they have tried WILLIE or the WOLF, they stay in or near last place, there isn't much room for a secondary country station in Denver. Just like there wasn't room for BIG DOG country and that was back when the format was really, really hot.

I think the two best format options for 92.5 are mainstream Top 40 or News-Talk. Mainstream CHR is in a boom period right now, it's even getting great 25-54 numbers in several markets, not to mention it's dominance in 18-34 females. Talk FMs are also doing good, much better demos than AM. But it has to be mainstream, not a stupid Hot Talk FREE-FM type station. My guess is that just about every market will have a FM news-talker in the next two years. Why not jump on it while the hole is open?

 

[WRIKER]

getfuzzy, I think that KBCO is doing the right thing by playing lot's of classics. First of all, they are doing well. If it's not broke don't fix it. Also, since KTCL is a co-owned station it's a good idea to keep the alternative and adult alternative stations seperated with little or no overlap. Finally, it's risky for an AAA to be too current because a lot of the listeners who would appreciate that music generally aren't heavy radio users. They will still stick to their I-Pods and other alternatives regardless of how current KBCO would become. KBCO should age with their loyal audience, the old hippie types who will still be in the 25-54 demo for another 5-10 years.

92.5 on the other hand is doing poorly enough where they should consider changing formats. Yes, they have trimmed a little fat off KYGO, but they aren't doing well in their own right, Why would the next 3 years be any different than the last three? It doesn't matter what they have tried WILLIE or the WOLF, they stay in or near last place, there isn't much room for a secondary country station in Denver. Just like there wasn't room for BIG DOG country and that was back when the format was really, really hot.

I think the two best format options for 92.5 are mainstream Top 40 or News-Talk. Mainstream CHR is in a boom period right now, it's even getting great 25-54 numbers in several markets, not to mention it's dominance in 18-34 females. Talk FMs are also doing good, much better demos than AM. But it has to be mainstream, not a stupid Hot Talk FREE-FM type station. My guess is that just about every market will have a FM news-talker in the next two years. Why not jump on it while the hole is open?

You all are forgetting one very important thing..
All of the CBS Clusters right in Denver are up for sale.. Humm so whoever comes forth with the cash that CBS radio is asking for on KIMN-->WOLF-->Kool well have their chance to fiddle with the formats on either of those stations. Now granted 92.5 isn't doing to hot but you know you all gotta give them credit for being the most enjoyable station to listen to and the most creative station around. I mean what other station would think about poking fun at the DNC and changing their name from The WoLF to The Jackass and even changing all the personalities names as well. IT is a pure classic idea,and so what if the wolf isn't betting KYGO who cares they aren't doing to well right now anyways.

 

[insidelookinout]

CBS will sell to whoever the highest bidder is- if there is one. Entercom would be the most likely suspect as they could keep KOOL & MIX and make sure they don't compete with KOSI, ALICE,& the Mountain. Dom & Jane would end-up on KOSI (and probably do well) and MIX will flip or be a flanker. 92.5 would be spunoff as Entercom will already own their 5 FMs and it may end up with Anschutz as they need another station for Avalanche/Niggets conflicts and an FM frequency would do well for that.
Whatever anyone decides to do will be better then what CBS has done to KOOL & Wolf. And now, with the PD of MIX- the only CBS Denver station with ratings and making revenue- let go, they'll f*ck that up quickly too. I just don't get why CBS seems more interested in screwing with their competition than operating good, viable radio stations in Denver. Anyone care to guess?

 

[JeeperOne]

Hi everyone:

Well it looks like the winter Ratings are in....it Shows CBS'S 92.5 the Wolf has Dropped to a 1.3. I wonder if a Format change is underway??

Oh yeah, How about when Jammin was on 92.5, i don't ever seem the Ratings dropping that low, but yet CBS had a good idea that trying Country again would do better ;D

thoughts.. ???

anything thoughts on any other possible Format changes for 08 ???

Yeah. All-News (ala 1010 WINS-style). Call it NewsChannel 92.5.

Hey why not? CBS O&O KCNC 4 still uses the Colorado's News Channel moniker, yet they don't use the NewsChannel name in there newscast title, so why not use it where network branding means JACK SH*T by using it on 92.5 and calling IT Colorado NewsChannel instead?

I'm not thinking of a News/Talk station (ala WCBS-AM) as there wouldn't be a battle with them being in KOA's own backyard BUT they can most certainly win with a true 24/7 All-News format like 1010 WINS in New York. Denver could certainly use a station like this.

Alternative edgy talk wouldn't be a bad choice either, but unless CBS were to turn 92.5 into another KYOU (Which because of the FM signal on 92.5 wouldn't be a bad idea for Podsafe music and indie artists either), where would they get the content to run such a station?

About the only other format I can possibly think of that might work would be sports. Denver could use another FM sports outlet as there's enough content out there for that (Plus it would drive a nail into the coffin of KEPN AM 1600 as well as give KKFN 104.3 some serious competition).

Other than the above, I'd have to say that various owners have tried just about everything else and NOTHING except Jammin' Oldies (And later a form of old skool Urban AC) has worked. But with Urban AC having left the frequency, I have to wonder if anybody would give it a second chance ESPECIALLY knowing how many times that Country has come and gone from 92.5....

Only time will tell......

Just my opinion...

Cheers

 

[JeeperOne]

Hi everyone:

First off....Lemme just say I agree with you Jay [/u]HOWEVER[/u]........

getfuzzy, I think that KBCO is doing the right thing by playing lot's of classics. First of all, they are doing well. If it's not broke don't fix it. Also, since KTCL is a co-owned station it's a good idea to keep the alternative and adult alternative stations seperated with little or no overlap. Finally, it's risky for an AAA to be too current because a lot of the listeners who would appreciate that music generally aren't heavy radio users. They will still stick to their I-Pods and other alternatives regardless of how current KBCO would become. KBCO should age with their loyal audience, the old hippie types who will still be in the 25-54 demo for another 5-10 years.

You're forgetting sister station KRFX 103.5 which has a HUGE audience in their own right.

Going beyond the CC cluster, there's Entercomm's KKHK 99.5 as well as NRC's 102.3 (I forget the calls). In addition (If you even wanna consider this station) 105.5 JOKE FM.

the two best format options for 92.5 are mainstream Top 40 or News-Talk. Mainstream CHR is in a boom period right now, it's even getting great 25-54 numbers in several markets, not to mention it's dominance in 18-34 females. Talk FMs are also doing good, much better demos than AM. But it has to be mainstream, not a stupid Hot Talk FREE-FM type station. My guess is that just about every market will have a FM news-talker in the next two years. Why not jump on it while the hole is open?

Another good one as I mentioned earlier would be sports since there's enough sports programming content available.

Just my opinion...

Cheers

 

[JeeperOne]

Hi everyone:

You all are forgetting one very important thing..
All of the CBS Clusters right in Denver are up for sale..

Where did you get this from?? CBS owns KCNC 4 and plans to keep it as it's one of their strongest (If not THE strongest) TV station they own. As such, what incentive would they have to sell off the radio stations in the market? That goes against all logic!!

 

[JeeperOne]

Hi everyone:

CBS will sell to whoever the highest bidder is- if there is one. Entercom would be the most likely suspect as they could keep KOOL & MIX and make sure they don't compete with KOSI, ALICE,& the Mountain. Dom & Jane would end-up on KOSI (and probably do well) and MIX will flip or be a flanker. 92.5 would be spunoff as Entercom will already own their 5 FMs and it may end up with Anschutz as they need another station for Avalanche/Niggets conflicts and an FM frequency would do well for that.

There's NO WAY Entercomm would buy this cluster because of Mix 100.

IF there's any truth to what WRIKER said (Which I doubt as I think he's confusingthe CBS cluster with the Lincoln Financial cluster, which IS up for sale!), the most logical buyer I can see would be Citadel. But with Disney/ABC not having a TV O&O in the market, what incentive would Citadel have to buy the stations at this point (Before anybody brings up Washington D.C. and Detroit, let's remember that Citadel inherited those stations as part of the Citatel/ABC Radio merger).

Whatever anyone decides to do will be better then what CBS has done to KOOL & Wolf. And now, with the PD of MIX- the only CBS Denver station with ratings and making revenue- let go, they'll f*ck that up quickly too. I just don't get why CBS seems more interested in screwing with their competition than operating good, viable radio stations in Denver. Anyone care to guess?

I agree with you that anyone else would do better than CBS has done with those stations BUT let's not forget the number of people who've tried (And failed, some miserably) to program Country on 92.5 If CBS couldn't program Country on that frequency and do well, I can't see anyone else being anymore successful. Face it. Colorado has become too "CALIFORNIATED" to support Country beyond KYGO, who's done it almost since the station the station on the air way back in the late 1970s.

IF (And that's a big if) Citadel does indeed buy the CBS cluster, they'll most likely put ESPN Radio on 92.5 (Thus effectively killing LF's AM 1600), keep but tweak Mix 100 to a point where it doesn't suck and lace KOOL 105 with programming from ABC Oldies at times (Especially during the overnight hours after The Boogie Man, whom they could make a national celebrity of (ala RYAN SEACREST of the Oldies genre)).

Anything short of that, I can't see anyone buying the CBS cluster.

JMO....

Cheers

 

[JeeperOne]

Hi everyone:

You all are forgetting one very important thing..
All of the CBS Clusters right in Denver are up for sale..

Where did you get this from?? CBS owns KCNC 4 and plans to keep it as it's one of their strongest (If not THE strongest) TV station they own. As such, what incentive would they have to sell off the radio stations in the market? That goes against all logic!!

 

[getfuzzy]

Hey Jay, Hey WRIKER - know what I did last night? set up the stereo in my wifes car so she can listen to her mp3 player as she is SICK AND TIRED of the radio. done.no more. wife of a 20 year radio vet. ouch.

I wasn't saying kbco (or the fox) needed to fix anything...I agree that they are spot-on and do what they do well - its just researched to the hilt, "jocks with no personality allowed reading liner cards" radio that I am using as an example for somebody to program against. a small operation (ie: keep overhead low) could be competitive and actually provide some job security for some creative folks. I know - I just recently was witness to it.