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Processing clips

Info Warrior,
The track Styx_Compellor 320A_BW TX4 sounded very good considering what equipment you have put together,like you say,gentle on the settings.

Talking of tracks that i like processed sound of,and was a let down when i got the original cd track was Pretty Poison's Catch me i'm falling.

The cd sounds wimpy compared to how a certain Irish super pirate played it in 87-88 !

At least when i play it back through the processor i get the same sound back.
 
Ok, finally had the time to have a crack at the Tina Arena shootout :).

So I've uploaded my try at it, I like it below 100hz so maybe for some a bit to excessive. I must say Goran, nice preset on the Omnia6. Far better than the factory HOT preset. Some may don't like the "artificial low" but I really like it. Just proof's once again how personal prosessing is.
 
Tina Maria opinion:

The Omnia 6 GT preset sample sounds the best

The 8100XT/2 sounds too aggressive to me, I know that combo can sound a little less crunched while maintaining loudness. However, for the depth of aggressiveness, it has an amazing lack of clipping distortion.

The DSP-X sounded good as well.
 
Info-warrior said:
All right, I'm a child of the 1980's. You may remember a movie from that decade called "The Never Ending Story." I just found a copy of the soundtrack, and while listening to the title song, I thought, 'something's not right.' Then I remembered that the only time I've ever heard this song was either on the radio or in the movie when it was on HBO.
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From one child of the '80s to another, would you mind ripping that song and uploading it as a WAV or FLAC file to www.sendspace.com? The version I have is rather poor sounding dynamically - yours is the best I've heard to date. I'd really appreciate it. :D Thanks!
 
I wanted to send you a PM but I guess the system doesn't allow new members to do that right away.

I uploaded the file, the link follows: http://www.sendspace.com/file/noue8x

Call me paranoid, but it does make me a bit edgy uploading an entire soundfile. I know someone who nearly got hit by the men in black suits.
 
I ran this tina arena song thru our webstream processing, and added the clip.
Just to see how it would stand against the big hardware boxes...
 
Tina Arena new clip

This is with an 8400 I had access to over the weekend vs my airchain at home. Both were recorded off air. This is a mini sample of one of the sections where her voice gets grungy. Notice how the 8400 seems to get very edgy in the midrange, while the 8100 does not.

The 8100 is employed with an Ariane Sequel. There is no XT/2 with this 8100. Card 6 was tweaked out to "enhance" the high frequency experience. That is all I will say. The 8400 is flatfoot. Same audio sample, same console etc.

I will have the full 8100 clip later on.
 
Oopsies

The 8400 clip uploaded was not recorded off air... the 8400 clip was recorded from the analog outputs. The 8100 was recorded off air.

I have to try and find the 8400 off air clip. My mistake.
 
@Info-Warrior - Got it. Thank you! :) I wouldn't worry about the MiB, however. They're concerned with bittorrent and ED2K, not legitimate music owners swapping for better quality. In any case, sendspace's contents aren't searchable.
 
Curious. I was recently perusing old usenet posts and discovered one suggesting that the Optimod 8100A/1 only performed distortion-canceled clipping on HF frequencies ... presumably meaning that final envelope peak control was done by its ordinary two-band limiting section.

Is this true? :eek:

(In deed, via fserver.redirectme.net, I once noted that the available 8100A clips were very peaky. But I just assumed the uploaders hadn't driven their audio hard enough to make the output resemble an XT2's "bricked" waveform. :))

Speaking of the 8100A/1, is anybody interested in offering a clip or two without anything in front of or following this processor? The two I see are paired with an Ariane Sequel and CP-803.

Also, if I may officially make a humble request ... would anyone be interested in offering a clip of the 222A in action? I've never had the opportunity to set my hands on one and spin the dials. It would interest me to hear how it sounds at different levels of enhancement, including "maximum." Perhaps even the difference between those levels with the width limiting control set low vs. high. I once found a musician's forum where a small group of "222A fans" were attempting to duplicate its sound. One came up with a VST plug-in that came close. But its author unfortunately neglected to implement the 222A's mono gating and width limiting algorithms.
 
For those that haven't yet played with "Sound Solution", download it here: http://www.tmsweb.dnsalias.com/
Click on "products" tab, then on Sound Solution 1.31
This is a plug-in for Winamp. It is superior to MBL4 (mentioned earlier in this discussion)
You can configure Winamp to use a line level input at 44.1 stereo and save it as a bookmark.
Sound Solution comes with 100 presets and I've had outstanding success designing my own presets for different formats.
I also use Srqsoft advanced crossfade plugin for Winamp, which can be found here along with other useful LPFM software:
http://www.gshome.com/radio/

About me: CE four FM station combo, on air talent, HAM op. Bio at http://home.comcast.net/~esprepair/faq.htm#q4

I can make my presets available if anyone is interested.

;D
 
In my opinion, Sound Solution doesn't sound very good at all, especially compared to any of the "real" broadcast processors. Not even close... It's hard and crude, there's obvious pumping, hole punching, every band is doing it's own thing and the sound is ever changing, overall frequency balance is noticeably skewed towards high-end (when using pre-emphasis, and my guess is that's why some may find it "good") and finally - cleanliness is definitely not a word I would associate with this plug-in.

It's big thumbs down for me, as far as Sound Solution is concerned...


Regards,
Goran Tomas
 
Thumbs down for Soundsolution here as well.
The older versions suffer from loads of spectral aliassing due to non oversampling routines ( Hissing sound/noise alike density ) . The newer version has this effect less, but is a real pain in the ass to configure.

It's a much better idea to use vst or dx pluggins like the Sonitus multiband compressor ( which is amazingly clean and sounds great).
It's hard though to find a proper AGC in vst or dx. If anyone has a tip or hint. You're welcome .


Regards,

Evert
 
yeoldeschool said:
Curious. I was recently perusing old usenet posts and discovered one suggesting that the Optimod 8100A/1 only performed distortion-canceled clipping on HF frequencies ... presumably meaning that final envelope peak control was done by its ordinary two-band limiting section.

Is this true? :eek:
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Yes. If you perform "distortion-canceled clipping" at all frequencies, you end up with no clipper action at all :) D-C clipping exploits the de-emphasis in the radio to remove clipping products (mostly IM distortion) below approximately 2 kHz while allowing the radio to roll off clipping products that appear at high frequencies. For this reason, D-C clipping is not useful if the medium is not pre-emphasized.

Bob Orban
 
Bob,

I have seen from the 8100 orban schematics that the cancellation that place above 3Khz, why was this?
Does it has something to do with the pre-emphasis? or with the audibility of the clipping above 3khz.

Just curious, no intend to replicate.
 
Hey Team

This has been my project over the last few months, and I've been quietly and patiently spending my evenings and weekends with a Unity 2000. The station is in Christchurch New Zealand and my mission has been to do my bit to boost TSL on an Easy Listening station called The Breeze without sounding weak in a market processed heavily (not too hard considering they were using the CHR Hostile preset!!). To be honest I'm not a fan of going back to the old Unity 2000i from 06's and 8500's but the network is upgrading to 8500's early next year.

I would like you to take a listen to the clip BREEZECHCNZ uploaded and pass comment, perhaps constructive critisim, and if so what you would do to improve it. My main gripe with Unity's is that the factory presets use alot of clipping particularly in the presence band and it's difficult to get rid of the poppy/clippy bassline, hence the settings are far from factory. I also don't like the fact that when the gate is activated on any particular band, it doesn't pause the limiter..?

All that said I think I've achieved what I set out to do, and I think it sounds 'friendly' without getting lost. What do you think?

PS The Breeze jumped 1.5% in market share and an average of 15mins TSL across the day since the changes were made, even cume is up on last book...
 
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