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QUESTION ABOUT 820AM WAIT

O

OldChicago

Bob Feder says in his column today that 820 AM WAIT may get the OK to go to
24-Hour operation. However, in order to do this, they must change their
city of license to Western Springs and build a 6 tower antenna farm new there.
I can under the 6-tower requirement, but why must they change the C-O-L in order to do this? Also, this station had gone 24-hours some time ago, and used the call sign WCZE. I know that the xmtr was in Elmhurst then, but did they also use the Elmhurst location for night-time service?


Old Chicago
 
> Bob Feder says in his column today that 820 AM WAIT may get
> the OK to go to
> 24-Hour operation. However, in order to do this, they must
> change their
> city of license to Western Springs and build a 6 tower
> antenna farm new there.
> I can under the 6-tower requirement, but why must they
> change the C-O-L in order to do this? Also, this station
> had gone 24-hours some time ago, and used the call sign
> WCZE. I know that the xmtr was in Elmhurst then, but did
> they also use the Elmhurst location for night-time service?
>
>
> Old Chicago
>

So, if and when this happens, will Newsweb keep Relevant Radio there, or move 850's new talk format to the 820 station? Or will they simulcast both?<P ID="signature">______________
The Liberal Talk Radio Update</P>
 
> Bob Feder says in his column today that 820 AM WAIT may get
> the OK to go to
> 24-Hour operation. However, in order to do this, they must
> change their
> city of license to Western Springs and build a 6 tower
> antenna farm new there.
> I can under the 6-tower requirement, but why must they
> change the C-O-L in order to do this? Also, this station
> had gone 24-hours some time ago, and used the call sign
> WCZE. I know that the xmtr was in Elmhurst then, but did
> they also use the Elmhurst location for night-time service?
>
>
> Old Chicago
>

OC.. I believe they were 24/7 from 3-towers in Elmhurst but COL was still Chicago. I have no clue why they'd have to change COL to Western Springs to get night power on WAIT.

Btw.. Any chance they'd move AAR to 820 and RR to 850? Or what about nights for 850? Any shot of that?

-A<P ID="signature">______________

</P>
 
> Bob Feder says in his column today that 820 AM WAIT may get
> the OK to go to
> 24-Hour operation. However, in order to do this, they must
> change their
> city of license to Western Springs and build a 6 tower
> antenna farm new there.
> I can under the 6-tower requirement, but why must they
> change the C-O-L in order to do this? Also, this station
> had gone 24-hours some time ago, and used the call sign
> WCZE. I know that the xmtr was in Elmhurst then, but did
> they also use the Elmhurst location for night-time service?
>
>
> Old Chicago
>
Actually, there were 4 towers on Church Road adjacent to I-290. THe studios were at that same location until the late 80's, after that they received their audio from the FM-100 studios in the Hancock Bldg. The nighttime power was 1000 watts and barely could be heard in downtown Chicago, in fact WBAP (820 Dallas) had a better signal in Chicago at night. 1500 watts from Willow Springs will still be a weak signal for the majority of the Chicago Market.

Dr. Dave
Former Chief Engineer
WAIT AM-820
1979-1985
 
> > Bob Feder says in his column today that 820 AM WAIT may
> get
> > the OK to go to
> > 24-Hour operation. However, in order to do this, they
> must
> > change their
> > city of license to Western Springs and build a 6 tower
> > antenna farm new there.
> > I can under the 6-tower requirement, but why must they
> > change the C-O-L in order to do this? Also, this station
> > had gone 24-hours some time ago, and used the call sign
> > WCZE. I know that the xmtr was in Elmhurst then, but did
> > they also use the Elmhurst location for night-time
> service?
> >
> >
> > Old Chicago
> >
> Actually, there were 4 towers on Church Road adjacent to
> I-290. THe studios were at that same location until the late
> 80's, after that they received their audio from the FM-100
> studios in the Hancock Bldg. The nighttime power was 1000
> watts and barely could be heard in downtown Chicago, in fact
> WBAP (820 Dallas) had a better signal in Chicago at night.
> 1500 watts from Willow Springs will still be a weak signal
> for the majority of the Chicago Market.
>
> Dr. Dave
> Former Chief Engineer
> WAIT AM-820
> 1979-1985
>


Hey Dr. Dave-

With the move of the transmitters @ WEEF. How is it going to be compared to WKTA? Will they be the same? Or will it still be worse?
 
> >
>
>
> Hey Dr. Dave-
>
> With the move of the transmitters @ WEEF. How is it going
> to be compared to WKTA? Will they be the same? Or will it
> still be worse?
>
The WEEF move really won't make much of a difference in coverage. The move was necessary as the towers are on leased land and the lease is up. The land was sold to a developer and new homes will be built on it. The only place for WEEF to move to, quickly, is the WKTA site. There may be an increase in night coverage at some point but it won't be a very big increase.

Dr. Dave
 
> Bob Feder says in his column today that 820 AM WAIT may get
> the OK to go to
> 24-Hour operation. However, in order to do this, they must
> change their
> city of license to Western Springs and build a 6 tower
> antenna farm new there.
> I can under the 6-tower requirement, but why must they
> change the C-O-L in order to do this? Also, this station
> had gone 24-hours some time ago, and used the call sign
> WCZE. I know that the xmtr was in Elmhurst then, but did
> they also use the Elmhurst location for night-time service?
>
>
> Old Chicago
>
So are they going to use 2 tower sites or are they going to use the current day one and the new one at night?

Will it effect the signal in the north?<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
 
> > >
> >
> >
> > Hey Dr. Dave-
> >
> > With the move of the transmitters @ WEEF. How is it going
>
> > to be compared to WKTA? Will they be the same? Or will
> it
> > still be worse?
> >
> The WEEF move really won't make much of a difference in
> coverage. The move was necessary as the towers are on leased
> land and the lease is up. The land was sold to a developer
> and new homes will be built on it. The only place for WEEF
> to move to, quickly, is the WKTA site. There may be an
> increase in night coverage at some point but it won't be a
> very big increase.
>
> Dr. Dave
>

So WKTA will still be better.
 
City of license change..probably have to prove "first nighttime service" to this suburb. I'd say good luck in getting the land for six towers in 2005. <P ID="signature">______________
Did the Corinthians ever write back?</P>
 
> I believe their studios were in Elmhurst at the time.
>

I had heard newsweb's plan is to make air america 24 hours and flip relevant radio to wcpt...with a (modicum) of success in the recent book newsweb feels this station could be their flagship. might be premature based on an 0.3 or whatever and air america still has financial problems and hasnt proven it's 'legs' although they anticipate another upswing in '08 next election. clearly after a year 'nine' still is not happening..and cannot be their linchpin station
 
> OC.. I believe they were 24/7 from 3-towers in Elmhurst but
> COL was still Chicago. I have no clue why they'd have to
> change COL to Western Springs to get night power on WAIT.
>
> Btw.. Any chance they'd move AAR to 820 and RR to 850? Or
> what about nights for 850? Any shot of that?
>
> -A
>
Newsweb already put in an application to change the COL to Willow Springs. As for the night coverage, I believe it wouldn't cover Chicago at night, which might be why the COL needs to be changed, since the night towers are going to be between Joliet & Mokena. From that location, I can see why the COL needs to be changed. The night coverage shoots all north and if any of it reaches Chicago, the west side of Chicago would be the ones to hear it.
 
> > I believe their studios were in Elmhurst at the time.
> >
>
> I had heard newsweb's plan is to make air america 24 hours
> and flip relevant radio to wcpt...with a (modicum) of
> success in the recent book newsweb feels this station could
> be their flagship. might be premature based on an 0.3 or
> whatever and air america still has financial problems and
> hasnt proven it's 'legs' although they anticipate another
> upswing in '08 next election. clearly after a year 'nine'
> still is not happening..and cannot be their linchpin station
>
I doubt that Newsweb would flip the two stations. They now have the 850 calls for "Chicago's Progressive Talk." I don't think they would flip the WAIT calls back to 850. I'm also wondering if this gets done with the 24 hour signal if Newsweb would sell it to Starboard Broadcasting which is the company that runns Relevant Radio. I'm thinking that Newsweb could charge more for a 24 hour rather than a day timer. The question would be if Starboard would have the funds to purchase the station.
 
I'm surprised that Newsweb isn't simulcasting WCPT on their 92.7 down in Kankakee (WCPT-FM?) Are they still running CNN Headline News there or have they done anything else with that station?

It'd be great if they could take 850 24 hours, but, as has been pointed out repeatedly here, it's probably not likely.

Maybe they could buy out the Kovas 1580/1590/1600 combo and put Air America on that. Would that put them over the limit in the market? Next owns so many rimshot signals, that I'm thinking Newsweb could do it. Their only "Chicago" signals are WSBC, WAIT, WKIE and possibly WCPT. Wouldn't WCFJ, WKIF, WDEK and possibly WRZA be considered out of the Chicago market? How does that work, exactly?

> > > I believe their studios were in Elmhurst at the time.
> > >
> >
> > I had heard newsweb's plan is to make air america 24 hours
>
> > and flip relevant radio to wcpt...with a (modicum) of
> > success in the recent book newsweb feels this station
> could
> > be their flagship. might be premature based on an 0.3 or
> > whatever and air america still has financial problems and
>
> > hasnt proven it's 'legs' although they anticipate another
> > upswing in '08 next election. clearly after a year 'nine'
>
> > still is not happening..and cannot be their linchpin
> station
> >
> I doubt that Newsweb would flip the two stations. They now
> have the 850 calls for "Chicago's Progressive Talk." I
> don't think they would flip the WAIT calls back to 850. I'm
> also wondering if this gets done with the 24 hour signal if
> Newsweb would sell it to Starboard Broadcasting which is the
> company that runns Relevant Radio. I'm thinking that
> Newsweb could charge more for a 24 hour rather than a day
> timer. The question would be if Starboard would have the
> funds to purchase the station.
>
 
> I'm surprised that Newsweb isn't simulcasting WCPT on their
> 92.7 down in Kankakee (WCPT-FM?) Are they still running CNN
> Headline News there or have they done anything else with
> that station?
>
> It'd be great if they could take 850 24 hours, but, as has
> been pointed out repeatedly here, it's probably not likely.
>
>
> Maybe they could buy out the Kovas 1580/1590/1600 combo and
> put Air America on that. Would that put them over the limit
> in the market? Next owns so many rimshot signals, that I'm
> thinking Newsweb could do it. Their only "Chicago" signals
> are WSBC, WAIT, WKIE and possibly WCPT. Wouldn't WCFJ,
> WKIF, WDEK and possibly WRZA be considered out of the
> Chicago market? How does that work, exactly?
>
WDEK & WKIF are outside of the Chicago market, so those stations aren't counted against what they own in the Chicago market. If then Z Spanish Broadcasting not requested the COL change in order to buy 99.9, then WRZA wouldn't be classified as a Chicago area station. As it stands, Newsweb owns 7 stations in the Chicago market: 5 AM: WAIT 820 Chicago, WNDZ 750 Portage Indiana, 1240 WSBC Chicago, WCFJ Chicago Heights, & WCPT 850 Crystal Lake. For FM just 2 WRZA 99.9 Park Forest & 92.7 WKIE Arlington Heights. Newsweb might be able to find a loophole to acquire more stations in the market, if they really want to. As for the Kovas combo, from the thoretical patterns for the possible upgrade that's planned, it doeesn't look like it would cover as much of the market as it looks. It still looks like the northern suburbs would be covered by 1590. I think if WONX were sold to Newsweb, I think it would stay an Evanston station and WCGO would stay right where it is.
 
> WDEK & WKIF are outside of the Chicago market, so those
> stations aren't counted against what they own in the Chicago
> market.

Unless it's different for radio, WDEK is in the Chicago market.

-A<P ID="signature">______________

</P>
 
> > WDEK & WKIF are outside of the Chicago market, so those
> > stations aren't counted against what they own in the
> Chicago
> > market.
>
> Unless it's different for radio, WDEK is in the Chicago
> market.
>
> -A
>
Dekalb is not part of the Chicago market for radio. It's heard in the western suburbs, but because the station's COL and tower are in Dekalb County, it's not a Chicago market station. Dekalb County is not rated in the Chicago market. It is for TV though. In fact, Dekalb is a non-Arbitron rated market.
 
> > Bob Feder says in his column today that 820 AM WAIT may
> get
> > the OK to go to
> > 24-Hour operation. However, in order to do this, they
> must
> > change their
> > city of license to Western Springs and build a 6 tower
> > antenna farm new there.
> > I can under the 6-tower requirement, but why must they
> > change the C-O-L in order to do this? Also, this station
> > had gone 24-hours some time ago, and used the call sign
> > WCZE. I know that the xmtr was in Elmhurst then, but did
> > they also use the Elmhurst location for night-time
> service?
> >
> >
> > Old Chicago
> >
> Actually, there were 4 towers on Church Road adjacent to
> I-290. THe studios were at that same location until the late
> 80's, after that they received their audio from the FM-100
> studios in the Hancock Bldg. The nighttime power was 1000
> watts and barely could be heard in downtown Chicago, in fact
> WBAP (820 Dallas) had a better signal in Chicago at night.
> 1500 watts from Willow Springs will still be a weak signal
> for the majority of the Chicago Market.
>
> Dr. Dave
> Former Chief Engineer
> WAIT AM-820
> 1979-1985
>
Was that Church Road location the original site for WMAQ a loooong time ago?
 
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