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R.I.P. KGO

I will miss Tillem, Burns, Dr. Bill, Rothman and the rest. I used to love Dean Edell as well. As far as news, I already have KCBS to listen too.

This was clearly just a cost cutting move, but this "new" Cumulus-owned KGO will find its market share plunge. Whether a lower market share plus lower costs means more profits (which is all they want), who knows? But our beloved station is now dead. R.I.P.
 
I'll repeat this here.

My take on this. I think it was the plan all along to gut KGO because of its LIBERAL stance. Cumulus is very conservative and doesn't feel comfortable with the expression of any kind of liberal agenda. Especially, in an election year.

Also, keep in mind that Mitt Romney has a vested interest in Bain Capital, the company that is supporting Clear Channel. I would bet that Bain is very uncomfortable with any of their properties broadcasting a LIBERAL point of view to the masses.

And we can thank DE-REGULATION for this situation. We will not hear Progressive or Liberal talk radio for at least the forseeable future, or until the 2012 election cycle is over. This is what happens when the few control the media. So much for the airwaves being owned by the people (sic). Then again, I may be wrong about this.
 
radiowizard101 said:
My take on this. I think it was the plan all along to gut KGO because of its LIBERAL stance. Cumulus is very conservative and doesn't feel comfortable with the expression of any kind of liberal agenda. Especially, in an election year.

I think they would rather make money. Whatever profitability KGO has now will look like a gold mine after a few months of all news, I predict.
 
radiowizard101 said:
So much for the airwaves being owned by the people (sic).

The airwaves are owned by the people but the content of those airwaves are not.
 
radiowizard101 said:
I'll repeat this here.

My take on this. I think it was the plan all along to gut KGO because of its LIBERAL stance. Cumulus is very conservative and doesn't feel comfortable with the expression of any kind of liberal agenda. Especially, in an election year.

Huh? If that was the case, why did they keep Pat Thurston, Karel, Christine Craft, and Brian Copeland? Why do they continue to use the services of Stacy Taylor? I'm sure Peter B. Collins will pop up on KGO as well.

The only conservative they've brought on board is Spencer Hughes.
 
Spencer Hughes for which shift? I thought they were going All News and Red Eye Radio for overnights? Actually Spencer Hughes is a pretty cool host, I've always enjoyed listening to him. Is he going to be at the station or just a syndicated program? All Cumulus has done is get rid of Mickey's high priced hosts it seems. I would like to see them pick up Enid Goldstein, she and Christine Craft make a great team!
 
This is what I said on October 20th:

MC said:
Younger people spend free (or at least they did) and have not become set in their buying patterns.

Sex pills, gold, beds and baldness. Swansong was used to a high budget radio station. I bet they dump Owens, Watenburg, ans Burns a long with Karel and Simpson. They need infomercials in off hours, so Taliafaro will be dumped too.

I was wrong on Owenns, but Lee Rodgers who was fired out at KSFO (worked on KGO as well) he says Ronn Owens will be let go after his contract expires.

Owens, Burns, Gross and Watenburg were pretty stale and people like Thursten and Karel are going to appeal to a younger demo. Burns used to "ban callers" Rothman would talk about the middleeast too much and hang up on people that were not 110% pro-Isreal. Watenberg would encourgage kidsto call in and ask questions, then he would be ranting about "bung-hole environmentalists" and using foul language.

I haven't heard about spensore hughes coming back to KGO, he belong over at KSFO.

I don't think Owens, Gross, Burns or Rothman were that liberal, more moderate, and Watenberg wasn't that is for sure.

I all camoes down to money. Cumuloss bought a radio station that they can't afford and they have to cut costs.
 
If Clear Channel is going to have 2 conservative stations 910AM and 960AM like Sacramento on 1530AM and 650AM. Doesn't this mean that KSFO should consider taking some of the KGO hosts?
 
recto101 said:
If Clear Channel is going to have 2 conservative stations 910AM and 960AM like Sacramento on 1530AM and 650AM. Doesn't this mean that KSFO should consider taking some of the KGO hosts?

Since KSFO is owned by Cumulus, it's obvious 'they' are not considering moving the KGO hosts to KSFO - given that they were let go.
 
Lkeller said:
recto101 said:
If Clear Channel is going to have 2 conservative stations 910AM and 960AM like Sacramento on 1530AM and 650AM. Doesn't this mean that KSFO should consider taking some of the KGO hosts?

Since KSFO is owned by Cumulus, it's obvious 'they' are not considering moving the KGO hosts to KSFO - given that they were let go.

And besides, the KSFO brand doesn't allow for the old KGO style of hosts. ABC made KSFO a hot conservative talk station that would appeal to a different audience than KGO and the brand hasn't changed since then. Perhaps they could go to the new 960, but CC would rather run cheaper syndicated shows.
 
If Cumulus is pro-conservative radio, then why was Christine Craft allowed to sit in for Michael Finley yesterday? She's a left-wing liberal and proud of it. (Plus she was the first that I know of to call our former governor the "Booben-grabber.") And why is Pat Thurston still on? She sided with OWS for friggin's sake and often has that gay guy on the show to explain the gay take on politics and current events. And Karel, a clearly narcissistic gay radio talk show host? Pu-leeze. Conservatives are ALWAYS trying to hide any hint of gayness among themselves, not put it out right into our faces and burning our ears.

I'm in the "24 to 54" age group demographic that KGO says its former talent was not bringing in. I completely enjoyed listening to Gene Burns and John Rothmann as I played on the internet. Often because of their input I understood a political situation better. Over the years I called them once or twice to give them info. I miss hearing their voices. Gene's Saturday Dining Around is a huge loss as well to the local restaurant, wine and food industry. Gil Gross and Ray Taliaferro, I could take or leave as background noise, though when he talked of the early 1960s Civil Rights era, I found Ray's reminiscences educational. Enjoyed listening to Len Tillem -- will miss his personality and legal advice.

RIP KGO indeed.
 
My silly take ...

This is just the next phase. First, it's a Cumulus cost cutting move. They didn't want to buy out Ronn Owens two-years left contract, so, they'll turn the screws in this hybrid format until he's had enough or he hangs in for the two years as his contract expires.

Next, it's demographics. The quality of a Burns, Rothman, Gross, Tillem, Wattenberg go beyond, unfortunately, the pale of revenue growth. "Old angry white guys" -- though much beloved -- aren't attracting new listeners in any demo, let alone the 25-54 at KGO. Talifiero wore out his welcome long ago, in my opinion.

Thirdly, it's cost cutting to keep a liberal base "corralled" to an "as needed" breed. So, that includes the liberal "taste" that the Bay Area neeeds with Thurston, Karel (who should be long gone soon, actually) and the standard bearer, Christine Craft, who, though we differ politically -- is tops in that genre. However, Michael Finley will still be around and that leaves Christine to be the key utility for fill in, with Thurston relegated to mid-Saturday morning and Karel in "Radio Siberia" -- the lowest ranked daypart on radio -- let alone just weekend radio. Plus, he's "scale" and makes less than anyone else on KGO. (He made the statement on his weak syndicated show this past week that he only makes $22,000 a year doing weekends on KGO. Ssid it right there on his webcast.) Misinformed narcissism at it's best, but, give him credit ... he's a lot more 25-54 oriented than those let go.

I miss Gene Burns most, followed by Rothman and Gross and even Wattenberg, who Karel also blasted and laughed at on his syndicated misadventure for all the world to see last week. He detests the man, except that Dr. Bill is worth millions and doesn't need the money. Karel desperately does. And it's not because of his open gayness. That doesn't bother me. He just can't make it happen, demo or not. "At least I wasn't fired this time!" as he stated last week on his weekday show. He won't be long for the world at KGO without solid gains. In that daypart.... good luck.

Copeland approaches legendary notice as an established talker and comedian. His being black is also a plus and it's good to see Copey stand on his own, still, on KGO.

Gil is good to stay at ABC Radio News ... maybe, or, he'll find something quickly. Burns ... if he had his own studio at home could end up anywhere, health permitting, with no moving and no travel. The "Dining Out" show is a classic and I think Gene's views have legs to make him a part of radio for a time. I miss him.

I already like Spencer Hughes and he knows the station(s), the market and has faced liberals via KSRO in the past and has a good track record.

I worry for Mike Amatori. The new "voice" is decent, but the creativity of Mike is not there and I hope Cumulus keeps its sense by keeping Mr. Mike onboard. A great guy.

I think the next stop will be for a mating of a Cumulus FM once the hybrid format kicks in and earns it's keep ... and over a relatively short period of time. While I am not a Thurston fan, I understand her legend and need to be part of the liberal side and find herself to be an entertaining part of the mix. I would rather take Christine, however, on a regular basis. She has no reason to belittle herself by doing Karel's shift, that's for sure. I wish Tillem were still on KGO. I thought he was great. And no Leo LaPorte? Talk about talking with the right demo. I don't understand that move. And adding KNBR voices makes no sense, unless they just haven't found a host yet. Maybe they'll put Joe Starkey in the weekend slot...or more.

The jury is just way out on Doug MacEntire. A cost cutting move for four hous if there was one.

Greg Jarrett's on the beach now that he's been dropped from mornings at WGN. Wonder if he'll come back to KGO ...

No more Lloyd Lindsay Young, either, I'm hearing. Traffic will now need some help and, hopefully, Stan Burfod will be a part of the mix. We'll know tomorrow ...

It's the new KGO. The Bay Area's News & Information Station. KGO - 810.

Good luck!
 
radiowizard101 said:
And we can thank DE-REGULATION for this situation. We will not hear Progressive or Liberal talk radio for at least the forseeable future, or until the 2012 election cycle is over. This is what happens when the few control the media. So much for the airwaves being owned by the people (sic). Then again, I may be wrong about this.
Wasn't it Democrat Bill Clinton who signed into law, the Telecommunications Deregulation Law back in 1996?
 
It's not about political ideology. And don't read anything into surviving weekend hosts. They're filler working for scale. All it says is that Cumulus doesn't want to staff a full newsroom more than 5 days a week.

As for Ronn, I've read that he has one year on his contract. Now I see two. Whichever it is, you can be sure that Cumulus has a dollar figure they are willing to part with to say goodbye. When that and the remainder of his contract synch up, he'll be gone. Don't expect them to spend more and don't expect Ronn to walk out early and leave a single penny on the table.

If it IS two years, and the news format is a disaster, KGO could be under different ownership before Ronn's contract runs out.
 
That is a thought that has passed by me too that Ronn is betting that the station will pass into other owners hands before too long. One thing to remember is that Ronn is a good host and just maybe someone at Cumulus might just like him and what he does. In that case he's not going anywhere and just might end up with a better contract than he has now! It's well known that its not what you know it's who you know. Listener's may complain about how Ronn does his show while forgetting how much pressure he's under to meet all the breaks in the show. He's on vacation for the next two weeks and Brian Copeland is filling in, this is going to be fun to listen to.
 
oaktree said:
I miss Gene Burns most, followed by Rothman and Gross and even Wattenberg,

How can you possibly miss Gene Burns, John Rothmann, or Gil Gross? Gene and John had reruns for just 2 nights. Gil had a rerun for one afternoon, and he had said on Thursday that he was going to be off until Tuesday (that was before he was let go). There's no way you could miss these guys already.

I think you're being melodramatic about all this. It's just a few talkshow hosts. There are other talkshows and other hosts and a world of interesting programming out there.
 
Well let's see. I wrote on Sunday, after listening to two taped replays (with November dates) of Burns and missed hearing "Dining Around" on Saturday ... all after the beheading. Then, two replays of Rothman on Thursday, again, dated like never before. Usually, a fill-in host. It wasn't terribly hard to figure out what was going on. So, that's two nites. As for Gil, it just seemed odd that he, too, was pre-taped for Thursday. As was Ray, who I wasn't a fan. Missing is cumulative to me, I guess.
 
RadioStarOne said:
Spencer Hughes for which shift? I thought they were going All News and Red Eye Radio for overnights? Actually Spencer Hughes is a pretty cool host, I've always enjoyed listening to him. Is he going to be at the station or just a syndicated program?<<

If this is true, Congratulations to Spencer! Speaking of someone who has many children to feed.

I've heard Spencer fill in for Tom Sullivan on KFBK. That may mean Spencer is connected to Fox News Radio...which may mean his show is syndicated.
 
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